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Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).=C2-Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and available in 4' x 8' sheets.=C2-A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:=C2-=C2-http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.boulterplywood.com/=C2-Bill C. =C2- =C2-" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-_________________ =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:13:42 -0700 (PDT)

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Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).=C2-Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood).=C2-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and available in 4' x 8' sheets.=C2-A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:=C2-=C2-http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.boulterplywood.com/=C2-Bill C. =C2- =C2-" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-_________________ =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =C2-http://forums.matronics.com =C2-http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:23:56 -0700 (PDT)

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RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material

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Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).-Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood).-While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and available in 4' x 8' sheets.-A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:--http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.boulterplywood.com/-Bill C." target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:16:49 -0700 (PDT)

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Jorge,=C2-All the 1/8=9D plywood on my project is Marine Mahogany which I purchased locally. In fact, I just found a new supplier in the San Francisco Bay Area that is far cheaper. The last sheet I bought from MacBeath Hardwood was $25!! If you just need some scraps for making gussets for your tail, let me know.=C2-Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear(13 ribs down)

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Original Posted By: Bill Church
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets in pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths?- Aircraft Spruce is going to stick me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of plywood because of the length!--- On Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church wrote:

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
I have to agree with=C2- Gary.we have a MacBeath Hardwood here in SLC, UT and the prices are great I got my Spruce and ply and I don=99t have to pay shipping costs.=C2-BrianSLC, UT=C2-

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I have to agree with=C2- Gary.we have a MacBeath Hardwood here in SLC, UT and the prices are great I got my Spruce and ply and I don=99t have to pay shipping costs.=C2-BrianSLC, UT=C2-

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Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Wow Dan you are fortunate. Check your table saw blades. Since I couldn't find mytable saw after he left my shop he's bound to need some new blades by now. Had to be a great visit however any chicken farmer bringing KFC well it does makeone wonder? You were sitting there eating with a fourflusher feeding you KFCgetting you full so he can work his ways with you to take him flying. Dan itsthe oldest trick in the book!Son, I say sonWe call It "the Markle Chicken strut trick". I knew we should have told ya boutthat oneYou know Jim is quite a good friend and always a pleasure to have him visit. Thatis if you're into frisking guys, Jim enjoys it!Glad you guys were able to get togetherJohn ------Original Message------

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Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
No Mark!!!!Your doing it all wrong!! That looks like SHI............!!!!!!Let me know when, and I'll come haul all of that junk away so you can start overand do it right. [Wink] Seriously, it's looking good. I see no problem with the way you are doing it. Justmake sure there is no bow in the middle. (I seriously doubt there is.)Later,JodyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259624#259624 ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Markle-Helsper visit

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Original Posted By: Mark Chunard
Yea but Dan hasn't counted his fingers yet. Wait till he finds out he's a few short. ------Original Message------

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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
TulsaFlyer wrote:> Your doing it all wrong!! That looks like SHI............!!!!!!Damn, thought that was a Markle post for a minute. Just kidding Jim.I was concerned with the spars bowing too, so I went up tonight and cut a bracefor the center. It actually was sagging about 1/16" in the center, and may havegot a little worse over time, but it seems solid and square now. Hopefullyit will hang in there while figure out what I am supposed to do next. Ha ha!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259629#259629 ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle-Helsper visit

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Four Flusher! Haaa ha! I've seen that term used quite a bit lately, but I didn'tknow what it meant, so I had to go look it up. Funny stuff. I get the feelingthat there are a LOT of four flushers around here.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259630#259630 ________________________________________________________________________________

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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle-Helsper visit

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Original Posted By: jorge lizarraga
Are you sure that was chicken in the bucket?ClifSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Markle-Helsper visit>> Yea but Dan hasn't counted his fingers yet. Wait till he finds out he's a > few short.>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259623#259623> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:07:40 -0700 (PDT)

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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
I've heard that road kill vulture taste just like chicken!Gene----- Original Message -----

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Original Posted By: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Most lumber yards can order AA marine ply if you ask and you don't pay shipping. Yellow poplar is plentiful here in Ohio which is what I will probably build with except spars which will be Doug fir. I can get AA VG Doug fir locally. Has to be ordered=2C but again no shipping. Gets expensive to ship a 15ft piece of spruce. Alnost doubles the price of th wood. Helps when you have a friend that owns a specialty llumber yard though. I used Doug fir in my addition because you can't get spf lumber over 20ft. and I can get Doug fir up to 32ft anything over 20ft is not kiln dried and is shipped green. Any idea what a green 26ft 2x12 weighs? A LOT! But=2C I digress.Just sold my Sonex plans...getting ready to order piet plansDoug DeverDate: Wed=2C 26 Aug 2009 06:42:09 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building and material

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Original Posted By:> Bill Church
>> Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets> in pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths? Aircraft Spruce is going to> stick me with a trucking fee, (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of> plywood because of the length!>> --- On *Mon, 8/24/09, Bill Church * wrote:>>

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Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
>> Regarding the wedge blocks, I believe they are only required at the two> locations shown, as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders> have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations, to> avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).>> Regarding plywood, one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that> it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will> prevent the plies from delaminating, should the wood somehow become soaked> with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the> fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a> mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft> ply made of Birch, it is apparently strong enough for this purpose, and is> manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the> lower cost, it is also lighter (in weight, as well as color) than Birch, and> available in 4' x 8' sheets.>> A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:>>> http://www.noahsmarine.com/> http://www.boulterplywood.com/>> Bill C.>> *>> " target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =nofollow >http://forums.matronics.com>> blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution> *>> *>> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution> *>>> *>> *>> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 05:08:34 -0700 (PDT)

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Original Posted By: Bill Church
Thank you Bill. Any idea if it is safe to do the side and bottom sheets in pieces as opposed to 6 foot long lengths? Aircraft Spruce is going to stick me with a trucking fee=2C (about $95.00 I believe) to ship 5 pounds of plywood because of the length!--- On Mon=2C 8/24/09=2C Bill Church wrote:

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Original Posted By: Ross Alexander
Regarding the wedge blocks=2C I believe they are only required at the two locations shown=2C as reinforcement for landing gear attachment. Some builders have opted to use lightweight balsa filler wedges in other locations=2C to avoid water collection in the pockets (not a bad idea).Regarding plywood=2C one important feature of Aircraft grade plywood is that it is manufactured using waterproof (actually boilproof) glues. This will prevent the plies from delaminating=2C should the wood somehow become soaked with water. An economical alternative to Aircraft grade plywood for the fuselage sides is the use of BS1088 or BS6566 Okoume Marine Ply (Okoume is a mahogany-like tropical wood). While it is not quite as strong as Aircraft ply made of Birch=2C it is apparently strong enough for this purpose=2C and is manufactured using waterproof (also boilproof) glues. In addition to the lower cost=2C it is also lighter (in weight=2C as well as color) than Birch=2C and available in 4' x 8' sheets.A couple of sources for Okoume Marine Ply:http://www.noahsmarine.com/http://www.boulterplywood.com/Bill C." target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listet=_blank>http://forums.matronics.comllow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lista>http://forums.matronics.com_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution_________________________________________________________________Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you.http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:58:23 -0700 (PDT)

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