Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Hi All,I gave a ride to my friend and colleague, Andy Butler. He is part owner of a Mooney,flies CAP Cessnas and gliders a lot, and has some float time. BUT, he'snever flown open cockpit or taildragger. So, we fixed that:https://youtu.be/vSztlgt22l4It's a little upsetting. He lands my airplane better than I do!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Newest Piet pilot!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Jeff,Great video, thanks!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Mar 22, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:> > > Hi All,> > I gave a ride to my friend and colleague, Andy Butler. He is part owner of aMooney, flies CAP Cessnas and gliders a lot, and has some float time. BUT, he'snever flown open cockpit or taildragger. > > So, we fixed that:> > https://youtu.be/vSztlgt22l4> > > It's a little upsetting. He lands my airplane better than I do!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 745#439745> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Jeff,Great video, thanks!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Mar 22, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:> > > Hi All,> > I gave a ride to my friend and colleague, Andy Butler. He is part owner of aMooney, flies CAP Cessnas and gliders a lot, and has some float time. BUT, he'snever flown open cockpit or taildragger. > > So, we fixed that:> > https://youtu.be/vSztlgt22l4> > > It's a little upsetting. He lands my airplane better than I do!> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 745#439745> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Original Posted By: "JERRY"
What camera are you using ... GoPro?WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
What camera are you using ... GoPro?WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal Fittings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
We are thinking of manufacturing the metal fittings for the Piet. We dofittings for the Skybolt, Pitts and the Christian Eagle and the RadialRocket. But the Piet parts would not be available till the end of summer andthen we would stock them. I don't have any idea of price yet.Jerry GroganSky Classic Aircraft-----Original Message-----
We are thinking of manufacturing the metal fittings for the Piet. We dofittings for the Skybolt, Pitts and the Christian Eagle and the RadialRocket. But the Piet parts would not be available till the end of summer andthen we would stock them. I don't have any idea of price yet.Jerry GroganSky Classic Aircraft-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
JakeI know you have a wider center section but others have done vertical cabaine strutswith wider center sections. What was the line of thinking that made "theconsensus [is]... I should modify/angle my cabaine struts outward to directlytie them to the wing-attach fittings". I ask because I do not see the benefitfrom a structural standpoint. Not a criticism, I'm just curious about the decisionpath. (I like that part of building). Also, one thing you learn about Pietenpols is there are very few, if any, new changesyou can think of. For instance this Pietenpol has the angled cabaine strutstoo.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
JakeI know you have a wider center section but others have done vertical cabaine strutswith wider center sections. What was the line of thinking that made "theconsensus [is]... I should modify/angle my cabaine struts outward to directlytie them to the wing-attach fittings". I ask because I do not see the benefitfrom a structural standpoint. Not a criticism, I'm just curious about the decisionpath. (I like that part of building). Also, one thing you learn about Pietenpols is there are very few, if any, new changesyou can think of. For instance this Pietenpol has the angled cabaine strutstoo.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/WCP ... Sacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
womenfly2 wrote:> What camera are you using ... GoPro?> > WF2Mobius ActionCams 120 degree lense pointed backwards and 170 degree lense pointingforwards.https://www.mobius-actioncam.comhttp:// ... H,JeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
womenfly2 wrote:> What camera are you using ... GoPro?> > WF2Mobius ActionCams 120 degree lense pointed backwards and 170 degree lense pointingforwards.https://www.mobius-actioncam.comhttp:// ... H,JeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
Thanks. Takes get video as you have shown.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Thanks. Takes get video as you have shown.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Newest Piet pilot!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Revised the cabaine struts for a wider center-section...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
womenfly2 wrote:> Thanks. Takes get video as you have shown.> > WF2Thanks. Only downside to them is that they must be programmed for bright versuscloudy days, which requires connecting to the computer prior to flying.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Revised the cabaine struts for a wider center-section...
womenfly2 wrote:> Thanks. Takes get video as you have shown.> > WF2Thanks. Only downside to them is that they must be programmed for bright versuscloudy days, which requires connecting to the computer prior to flying.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Revised the cabaine struts for a wider center-section...
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
Thanks Chris,Like you said, everything that can be tried has been tried before...!The thoughts of a friend of mine who is a structural and aeronautical engineer(and who also owns a Travel Aire biplane and several additional antique planes)are that the cabaines ending at the fittings would tie the load directly tothem, as opposed to having the load be about eight inches away. He felt that yes,it would PROBABLY be just fine to have the cabaines vertical, but by cantingthe cabaines outward it should make for a better structural arrangement. There are many, many examples of 1930s era planes with wide center sections wherethe cabaine struts are angled outward.--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Chris,Like you said, everything that can be tried has been tried before...!The thoughts of a friend of mine who is a structural and aeronautical engineer(and who also owns a Travel Aire biplane and several additional antique planes)are that the cabaines ending at the fittings would tie the load directly tothem, as opposed to having the load be about eight inches away. He felt that yes,it would PROBABLY be just fine to have the cabaines vertical, but by cantingthe cabaines outward it should make for a better structural arrangement. There are many, many examples of 1930s era planes with wide center sections wherethe cabaine struts are angled outward.--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: A-65 overhaul costs, one man's story
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Mike that agrees pretty well with the costs I had rebuilding my A65 12 yearsago, adjusted for inflation. The only things I did differently were toinclude a brand new camshaft (old one was pitted and had a chunk missingfrom one lobe) and the new Millenium cylinders, which added $3,200 to thetotal but included new pistons, new rocker shafts, new piston rings and newpiston pins. My total was right at $7,500, including the cost of the enginecore. I assembled it myself, under the strict supervision of an A&P, IA.Note that this means the engine was "0" SMOH, or zero hours since majoroverhaul, NOT zero time. As the Sky Ranch Engineering Manual says, "Youcan't zero-time the metallurgy"Since then I have rebuilt the oil pump (I did not put new oil pump gears induring the rebuild) for an additional $400 or so. I've put about 400 hourson it in 10 years.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Mike that agrees pretty well with the costs I had rebuilding my A65 12 yearsago, adjusted for inflation. The only things I did differently were toinclude a brand new camshaft (old one was pitted and had a chunk missingfrom one lobe) and the new Millenium cylinders, which added $3,200 to thetotal but included new pistons, new rocker shafts, new piston rings and newpiston pins. My total was right at $7,500, including the cost of the enginecore. I assembled it myself, under the strict supervision of an A&P, IA.Note that this means the engine was "0" SMOH, or zero hours since majoroverhaul, NOT zero time. As the Sky Ranch Engineering Manual says, "Youcan't zero-time the metallurgy"Since then I have rebuilt the oil pump (I did not put new oil pump gears induring the rebuild) for an additional $400 or so. I've put about 400 hourson it in 10 years.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal Fittings
Original Posted By: gliderx5(at)comcast.net
Tony, we have them as an approved mod here in the UK, contact Peter Wright at thePietenpol Club UK for the details.English JohnnyStill on the wings!!!!--------The only way is UPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:57:26 +0000 (UTC)
Tony, we have them as an approved mod here in the UK, contact Peter Wright at thePietenpol Club UK for the details.English JohnnyStill on the wings!!!!--------The only way is UPRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 20:57:26 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Revised the cabaine struts for a wider center-section...
Original Posted By: George Abernathy
Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal Fittings
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
This topic comes up from time to time.Pound for pound, the plans-built control horns are the best option. The shapingof the parts provides all the needed strength , while only using thin sheetmetal. Some builders have made their horns from thicker sheet steel, but theyare always heavier than the plans-built, airfoil shaped horns - usually 50 to100 percent heavier.The option of aluminum horns get mentioned as well, but due to metallurgical concerns,no welding should be used on aluminum horns - which necessitates morefasteners, which in turn, add weight.But, perhaps more importantly, the plans-built control horns are just the rightthing to do on an airplane that was designed in the golden age of aviation. They just look cool (while providing all the necessary strength.)Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
This topic comes up from time to time.Pound for pound, the plans-built control horns are the best option. The shapingof the parts provides all the needed strength , while only using thin sheetmetal. Some builders have made their horns from thicker sheet steel, but theyare always heavier than the plans-built, airfoil shaped horns - usually 50 to100 percent heavier.The option of aluminum horns get mentioned as well, but due to metallurgical concerns,no welding should be used on aluminum horns - which necessitates morefasteners, which in turn, add weight.But, perhaps more importantly, the plans-built control horns are just the rightthing to do on an airplane that was designed in the golden age of aviation. They just look cool (while providing all the necessary strength.)Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Revised the cabaine struts for a wider center-section...
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Actually, since the Pietenpol has the lift struts attaching in the middle ofthe wing panels, there are very little lift loads carried by the cabanes(just the lift generated by the centersection, which is not too much).The fittings are easier to make if the struts attach at the end of thecentersection spars (ask me how I know).This is a typical case of one change rippling through the entire airplane.Just be careful to think it through completely.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Actually, since the Pietenpol has the lift struts attaching in the middle ofthe wing panels, there are very little lift loads carried by the cabanes(just the lift generated by the centersection, which is not too much).The fittings are easier to make if the struts attach at the end of thecentersection spars (ask me how I know).This is a typical case of one change rippling through the entire airplane.Just be careful to think it through completely.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----