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Pietenpol-List: new builder

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Pietenpol-List: Re: The Squawkless Phoenix

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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
That second landing was a beaut, although the third landing looked like you weregoing very slow and the airplane lit like a feather.You never said what motivated the rebuild or modifications. Were you unhappy withyour previous landing gear? And if you revised the gear legs, did you implementany of the things that have recently been discussed regarding axle placementrelative to CG?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Squawkless Phoenix

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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Squawkless Phoenix

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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: new builder

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Original Posted By: "Fairfield, Mike"
Flop, 36" wide, to becovered in lexan.Clifhttp://www.clifdawson.ca/Skeptic potential customer asking, " If that penetrating oil is so good, how's it staying in the can?">> Hi Joe, Have you seen the wings on which the flop extends 1 or 2 rib spaces into the trailing edge of the left wing? I believe this would help tremendously with entry and exit.> Anyway, I hope this gives you food for thought. Heed the advise of > those that have said to look at many many examples and try on as many as > you can. Good luck with your build. I'll look for you at Brodhead. > Sincerely, R. Scott Bartko low and slow with the top down________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: new builder

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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson
Good morning Mr. Dawson,I am finishing my ribs at this time and I have a question for you (nice workmanship).I definitely like the idea of the flop and I believe I will use it aswell. I am planning on building my center section 48" wide to be able to havegreater fuel capacity in one location to feed my 0-200. My question is, shouldthe cabane struts remain perpendicular to the wing or should they be splayedout to attach at the joint of the center section and spar? I am not an engineerand I am not sure which would be the best route to go.Thanks, Mike.-----Original Message-----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: new builder

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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Hi Mike,I kept my cabanes vertical.Oscar has articulated a number ofgood reasons to do so. Since the majority of lift tension isthrough the outer strut system there's not a lot of weightbeing carried by the cabanes. So the center section sparsare strong enough to handle having 12" outboard of thecabane connection.If you look at my tank you'll see that it's humped like theDehaviland Moth series. It holds 22 gallons, almost all ofit usable. I have an O-290. My center is 36" wide. No! notmine! The plane's. :-)Clif> Good morning Mr. Dawson,I am planning on building my center section 48" wide to be able to have greater fuel capacity in one location to feed my 0-200. My question is, should the cabane struts remain perpendicular to the wing or should they be splayed out to attach at the joint of the center section and spar? >> Thanks, Mike.>> Flop, 36" wide, to becovered in lexan.>> Clif________________________________________________________________________________
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