Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Ever wondered what a Pietenpol might look like with an enclosed canopy?There's one listed on Kijiji for sale in Nova Scotia:http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-other/city- ... g=trueRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet
RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
They need bigger rudders in Nova Scotia.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
They need bigger rudders in Nova Scotia.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I always wondered how a cabin version of the piet would look. Like aRobin perhaps.Robert Gow,President and DAO Manager.Avionics Design Services Ltd.Phn 705-527-6095Cell 416-434-3393Fax 705-527-6028www.avionicsdesign.ca -----Original Message-----
I always wondered how a cabin version of the piet would look. Like aRobin perhaps.Robert Gow,President and DAO Manager.Avionics Design Services Ltd.Phn 705-527-6095Cell 416-434-3393Fax 705-527-6028www.avionicsdesign.ca -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "tools"
Yep, looks like a big rudder Gary. I think it could be classified as a flippercause it is apparently cold and wet up there. How do you get into the thing.I don't see any slides on the rear canopy, and the front??? Maybe you removeit then put it back on after you get the victim loaded. I mean passenger. Any guesses anyone????????????--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Yep, looks like a big rudder Gary. I think it could be classified as a flippercause it is apparently cold and wet up there. How do you get into the thing.I don't see any slides on the rear canopy, and the front??? Maybe you removeit then put it back on after you get the victim loaded. I mean passenger. Any guesses anyone????????????--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
Original Posted By: "tools"
I always thought enclosing open cockpit airplanes was just plane dumb... untilI got an open cockpit airplane! Still probably not for me, but I get it now.My guess is they flip to the side. The front one couldn't slide anyway. Giventhe curvature, and where the pivot would be, don't think it would get talleras it flips over, so should work up under the wing even though there isn't muchclearance. Would be easy to remove for nice weather as well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
I always thought enclosing open cockpit airplanes was just plane dumb... untilI got an open cockpit airplane! Still probably not for me, but I get it now.My guess is they flip to the side. The front one couldn't slide anyway. Giventhe curvature, and where the pivot would be, don't think it would get talleras it flips over, so should work up under the wing even though there isn't muchclearance. Would be easy to remove for nice weather as well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
So there I was....Just a few weeks ago, haven't been up in the Piet in a couple months. It was cold,so wasn't planning on going flying, thought I'd start it up, warm up theoil, etc. Not in a hurry, no onlookers distracting me. Just wanted to blow out some cobwebs,which I could do right in the hangar, where it was (thankfully...) tied downthree points.Check throttle back, carb heat off, switches off. Pull it through ten or so times,give it time to gas off in the cylinders. Go back around, throttle back,carb heat off, switches on. Clothing correct, nothing sitting around in the way... I really feel relaxed andon my game. First pull almost starts, but seems to flood itself instead. Halfa dozen pulls later, decide to clear it out.I've always figured this was the most dangerous of things to do hand propping,so really going slow now... Throttle open full, carb heat off, switches off. Still careful to assume it could start, pull it though a dozen times backwards.Back to the cockpit, carb heat off, switches on. Pull it through, surprised itdidn't start... took a deep breath, went back to the cockpit and pulled the throttleback...! D'oh!Tied down, still, REALLY happy it didn't start up on me.Man, NOTHING was distracting me. Not in a hurry at all, wasn't even going flying.Still missed it. When it's out of the hangar, I always tie off one wheel when I start it, and tryto park in a depression, up against concrete, push it off concrete if I can,etc. From now on, tieing off both wheels. There's just nothing about flying these things you can take for granted. Not asingle little thing.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
So there I was....Just a few weeks ago, haven't been up in the Piet in a couple months. It was cold,so wasn't planning on going flying, thought I'd start it up, warm up theoil, etc. Not in a hurry, no onlookers distracting me. Just wanted to blow out some cobwebs,which I could do right in the hangar, where it was (thankfully...) tied downthree points.Check throttle back, carb heat off, switches off. Pull it through ten or so times,give it time to gas off in the cylinders. Go back around, throttle back,carb heat off, switches on. Clothing correct, nothing sitting around in the way... I really feel relaxed andon my game. First pull almost starts, but seems to flood itself instead. Halfa dozen pulls later, decide to clear it out.I've always figured this was the most dangerous of things to do hand propping,so really going slow now... Throttle open full, carb heat off, switches off. Still careful to assume it could start, pull it though a dozen times backwards.Back to the cockpit, carb heat off, switches on. Pull it through, surprised itdidn't start... took a deep breath, went back to the cockpit and pulled the throttleback...! D'oh!Tied down, still, REALLY happy it didn't start up on me.Man, NOTHING was distracting me. Not in a hurry at all, wasn't even going flying.Still missed it. When it's out of the hangar, I always tie off one wheel when I start it, and tryto park in a depression, up against concrete, push it off concrete if I can,etc. From now on, tieing off both wheels. There's just nothing about flying these things you can take for granted. Not asingle little thing.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
We did! BUT, there's always a but, the birds are still there. Need to get thatdanged hangar finished up and the birds out.She's flying great though. Need to stop by on the way south to SnF and say hito her... pretty sure she misses you!ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:36:05 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
We did! BUT, there's always a but, the birds are still there. Need to get thatdanged hangar finished up and the birds out.She's flying great though. Need to stop by on the way south to SnF and say hito her... pretty sure she misses you!ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:36:05 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
That's slick. Nice touch.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
That's slick. Nice touch.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Looking at the other photos from the Kijiji ad, it looks like the front canopyhas a hinge on the top, right down the center. And the rear canopy has a slotcut into the back edge, like it would need to clear the antenna, if it was designedto slide back. However, there doesn't appear to be a track to slide on,so not sure how that might work.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cano ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Looking at the other photos from the Kijiji ad, it looks like the front canopyhas a hinge on the top, right down the center. And the rear canopy has a slotcut into the back edge, like it would need to clear the antenna, if it was designedto slide back. However, there doesn't appear to be a track to slide on,so not sure how that might work.BCRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/cano ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "tools"
Interesting thoughts everyone. The front pit is just hard to get into withoutthe canopy. Perhaps the owner or someone near him has the answer. I'm sure itis easy once explained.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Interesting thoughts everyone. The front pit is just hard to get into withoutthe canopy. Perhaps the owner or someone near him has the answer. I'm sure itis easy once explained.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "Lostman"
Michael, you are correct about Duane being the builder. I'm pretty sure I mentionedthat in one of the first posts. He now lives up in Salt Lake City. I methim this summer the same week that I purchased the Pietenpol. He is certainlya nice gentleman. I hadn't realized that Steve was the one that started this forum, although I'mnot surprised from what I've heard about him as well. The plane still has the Subaru engine on it (well again actually) and runs likea top. Just need to finish a few loose ends and remount wings to have it closeto flying again. Obviously I will look everything else over one final time aswell. Thanks for the post.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Michael, you are correct about Duane being the builder. I'm pretty sure I mentionedthat in one of the first posts. He now lives up in Salt Lake City. I methim this summer the same week that I purchased the Pietenpol. He is certainlya nice gentleman. I hadn't realized that Steve was the one that started this forum, although I'mnot surprised from what I've heard about him as well. The plane still has the Subaru engine on it (well again actually) and runs likea top. Just need to finish a few loose ends and remount wings to have it closeto flying again. Obviously I will look everything else over one final time aswell. Thanks for the post.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
It looks to me like the front cockpit canopy has a hinge on the left side as wellas down the middle. Making it fold completely to the left side. The rear oneis a big perplexing although I have seen a few canopies like that you can justtake off completely and then latch down when you put it into place. Interesting idea. I've been thinking of building something to enclose mine andadd heat. Of course I'll have to get it flying first. I remember a couple weeks ago running across some pictures of someone that is buildinga beautiful wood strip raised turtledeck and canopy for their Air Camper.Does anyone remember seeing this? It's actually how I found this thread whilesearching for it.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
It looks to me like the front cockpit canopy has a hinge on the left side as wellas down the middle. Making it fold completely to the left side. The rear oneis a big perplexing although I have seen a few canopies like that you can justtake off completely and then latch down when you put it into place. Interesting idea. I've been thinking of building something to enclose mine andadd heat. Of course I'll have to get it flying first. I remember a couple weeks ago running across some pictures of someone that is buildinga beautiful wood strip raised turtledeck and canopy for their Air Camper.Does anyone remember seeing this? It's actually how I found this thread whilesearching for it.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Lost man,I think that you are referring to Paul Donahue, aka "nightmare".http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ----Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:52:30 -0800
Lost man,I think that you are referring to Paul Donahue, aka "nightmare".http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ----Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:52:30 -0800
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Yesss-!!! I'm the tail gunner again this year! I'm the last person on the contributorlist (just barely beat out Malcolm Zirges).--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Yesss-!!! I'm the tail gunner again this year! I'm the last person on the contributorlist (just barely beat out Malcolm Zirges).--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Original Posted By: "Lostman"
Dan Helsper wrote:> Is this conclusion based on experience WF2? > > Dan Helsper> Loensloe Airfield> Puryear, TN> > > --Yes. Here is what the gear does when a bungee brakes. Not only does the axle travelup toward the fuselage but is also travels back toward the rear gear leghence putting increased shock load on the rear cable swage. The axle also slidesout toward the free side. The wheel will then contact the rear gear leg andthe aft lift strut. All this happens in a millisecond on landing. This will flipthe aircraft over.A cable for a safety stop is a really, really bad idea on this setup.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Dan Helsper wrote:> Is this conclusion based on experience WF2? > > Dan Helsper> Loensloe Airfield> Puryear, TN> > > --Yes. Here is what the gear does when a bungee brakes. Not only does the axle travelup toward the fuselage but is also travels back toward the rear gear leghence putting increased shock load on the rear cable swage. The axle also slidesout toward the free side. The wheel will then contact the rear gear leg andthe aft lift strut. All this happens in a millisecond on landing. This will flipthe aircraft over.A cable for a safety stop is a really, really bad idea on this setup.WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cold Weather Piet
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Original Posted By: "Vincent Dunn"
Nightmare, what did you use for your cabane fairings? They appear the same coloras the wood but also look like aluminum. Being a wood worker and having builtcustom pieces I love the look of your plane. Simply amazing.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Nightmare, what did you use for your cabane fairings? They appear the same coloras the wood but also look like aluminum. Being a wood worker and having builtcustom pieces I love the look of your plane. Simply amazing.--------I own a Teenie Two, remnants of an Avid, a KR2, hang glider and paraglider as wellas my 1997 Pietenpol Air Camper. I'm also scratch building a Sonerai IIL.As a CFII/MEI I love sharing the gift of flight with just about anyone that willfly with me.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Original Posted By: "Rick Schreiber"
Rick Schreiber: I have a few questions about your 18 gal nose tank. I'm buildingthe long Corvair fuselage and sacrificing the front seat for comfort/leg room.Rather than put a second fuel tank in the wing I want to build a larger nosetank. My questions: What structural changes did you make to the fuselage toaccommodate the big tank? What was the shape of the tank? Did this larger tankrequire a fuel pump? Is the fuel pump electrically driven or engine driven? Informationabout your design and experience are appreciated. Thank you!--------Vincent DunnSalem Oregonvincentkdunn(at)yahoo.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Rick Schreiber: I have a few questions about your 18 gal nose tank. I'm buildingthe long Corvair fuselage and sacrificing the front seat for comfort/leg room.Rather than put a second fuel tank in the wing I want to build a larger nosetank. My questions: What structural changes did you make to the fuselage toaccommodate the big tank? What was the shape of the tank? Did this larger tankrequire a fuel pump? Is the fuel pump electrically driven or engine driven? Informationabout your design and experience are appreciated. Thank you!--------Vincent DunnSalem Oregonvincentkdunn(at)yahoo.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair Piet performance report
Original Posted By: Michael Cuy
Vincent,Here is what I did. My tank is 18 gal. I am only using gravity feed to the carb,no fuel pump was required. When I ran the fuel flow test, with the plane atabout a 16 degree angle of attack, there was plenty of head pressure. I dont recallthe actual figures, but it was way better than the 150% of max power fuelconsumption required by the FAR. The useable fuel was also almost the full 18gallons except for a few ounces. The last fuel flow test was actually done with48 ounces of fuel and the fuel flow was fine.I have attached some photos and a dimensioned drawing of the tank. My tank designfollowed pretty much what Mike Cuy did, except I did not add in the rear extension.If I had to do it again I would put in the rear extension that Mike hasas it gives more support to the tank rear. It makes it a little more difficultto construct the tank, but I think its worth it. If you are following my tankdimensions, I would make it slightly narrower. My tank is a little tight whentrying to run the fuel shut off, throttle and carb heat cables. The tank support is two stainless steel straps running fore and aft. These strapsattach to the forward ash piece at the firewall and the shelf behind the frontcockpit instrument panel. This shelf is reinforced with x 4 Douglas fir. Thereis a secondary support that goes left and right under the tank, also madeof Douglas fir. Finally there is a top strap that goes across the top bow ofthe tank.The attached photos should give you a good idea of what I did. Also check MikeCuys photos on the West Cost Piet website, as that's where I shamelessly plagiarizedmy ideas.Regards,Rick SchreiberNX478RSPorter Co Regional, Valparaiso INRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Vincent,Here is what I did. My tank is 18 gal. I am only using gravity feed to the carb,no fuel pump was required. When I ran the fuel flow test, with the plane atabout a 16 degree angle of attack, there was plenty of head pressure. I dont recallthe actual figures, but it was way better than the 150% of max power fuelconsumption required by the FAR. The useable fuel was also almost the full 18gallons except for a few ounces. The last fuel flow test was actually done with48 ounces of fuel and the fuel flow was fine.I have attached some photos and a dimensioned drawing of the tank. My tank designfollowed pretty much what Mike Cuy did, except I did not add in the rear extension.If I had to do it again I would put in the rear extension that Mike hasas it gives more support to the tank rear. It makes it a little more difficultto construct the tank, but I think its worth it. If you are following my tankdimensions, I would make it slightly narrower. My tank is a little tight whentrying to run the fuel shut off, throttle and carb heat cables. The tank support is two stainless steel straps running fore and aft. These strapsattach to the forward ash piece at the firewall and the shelf behind the frontcockpit instrument panel. This shelf is reinforced with x 4 Douglas fir. Thereis a secondary support that goes left and right under the tank, also madeof Douglas fir. Finally there is a top strap that goes across the top bow ofthe tank.The attached photos should give you a good idea of what I did. Also check MikeCuys photos on the West Cost Piet website, as that's where I shamelessly plagiarizedmy ideas.Regards,Rick SchreiberNX478RSPorter Co Regional, Valparaiso INRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________