Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Why would you assume that?Gary
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Brent Wilson"
..precisely. You can connect it to a bottle strapped to the front and use it asa pisser when alone, then use it as a speaking tube to a passenger on the flightthereafter
--------KLNCA65-8N2308CSlick 4330'sAN HardwareAirframe 778TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
..precisely. You can connect it to a bottle strapped to the front and use it asa pisser when alone, then use it as a speaking tube to a passenger on the flightthereafter
--------KLNCA65-8N2308CSlick 4330'sAN HardwareAirframe 778TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: New GuyOriginal Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best way toget started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows of onefor sale I would appreciate the information it.Thanks, BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best way toget started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows of onefor sale I would appreciate the information it.Thanks, BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyI recommend that you start from scratch unless you are in a BIG hurry toget in the air. If you buy an already started project you will probablyspend a lot of time saying "If I had done this, I would have done itdifferently." My two cents. ChuckOn Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Brent Wilson wrote:> >>> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best> way to get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody> knows of one for sale I would appreciate the information it.> Thanks, Brent>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyI recommend that you start from scratch unless you are in a BIG hurry toget in the air. If you buy an already started project you will probablyspend a lot of time saying "If I had done this, I would have done itdifferently." My two cents. ChuckOn Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Brent Wilson wrote:> >>> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best> way to get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody> knows of one for sale I would appreciate the information it.> Thanks, Brent>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
Brent Wilson wrote:> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best wayto get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows ofone for sale I would appreciate the information on it.> Thanks, BrentI will sell you mine for "1 million dollars..."--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Brent Wilson wrote:> Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best wayto get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows ofone for sale I would appreciate the information on it.> Thanks, BrentI will sell you mine for "1 million dollars..."--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: Andy Hoots
Some info at these sites to help get you started:http://community.pressenter.net/~apiete ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Some info at these sites to help get you started:http://community.pressenter.net/~apiete ... --JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Brent Wilson"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyBrent,Although I love working on my project that I bought more than 50% complete, I'llecho what Chuck said. The build quality of the completed parts on my Piet isvery good, but I have spent a lot of time scratching my head and wondering whysome corners were cut and then getting everything the way I want it. So, ifyou decide on a project, look very closely at build quality and decide if youcan live with, or fix those things that aren't to your liking. I'm sure thatin the end us project rescue guys will save some money and maybe get in the airquicker, but there will never be that full satisfaction of building the wholeplane. I kind of look at it as continuing someone else's dream while mostlyrealizing my own at the same time. Welcome to the group. It, along with the westcoastpiet.com website are the bestresources you will find to aid you in your build.Andy HootsO'Fallon, ILSent from my iPhone> On Feb 10, 2017, at 06:38, Brent Wilson wrote:> > > Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best wayto get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows ofone for sale I would appreciate the information it.> Thanks, Brent> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 966#465966> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyBrent,Although I love working on my project that I bought more than 50% complete, I'llecho what Chuck said. The build quality of the completed parts on my Piet isvery good, but I have spent a lot of time scratching my head and wondering whysome corners were cut and then getting everything the way I want it. So, ifyou decide on a project, look very closely at build quality and decide if youcan live with, or fix those things that aren't to your liking. I'm sure thatin the end us project rescue guys will save some money and maybe get in the airquicker, but there will never be that full satisfaction of building the wholeplane. I kind of look at it as continuing someone else's dream while mostlyrealizing my own at the same time. Welcome to the group. It, along with the westcoastpiet.com website are the bestresources you will find to aid you in your build.Andy HootsO'Fallon, ILSent from my iPhone> On Feb 10, 2017, at 06:38, Brent Wilson wrote:> > > Hello, I'm new to the site, I'm not building yet just researching to best wayto get started. I wouldn't mind buying a started project. If anybody knows ofone for sale I would appreciate the information it.> Thanks, Brent> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 966#465966> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Thanks guys,I appreciate all the advice and information. It's great to have a place to go toget some feel for how all this stuff works. It will be a great experience eitherway it ends up that's for sure. Always open to any guidance I can get sokeep it coming.Thanks,BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Thanks guys,I appreciate all the advice and information. It's great to have a place to go toget some feel for how all this stuff works. It will be a great experience eitherway it ends up that's for sure. Always open to any guidance I can get sokeep it coming.Thanks,BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Brent Wilson"
Has the date been set for this year's West Coast Piet event? If tradition holds,it would be June 2-3-4... the first weekend in June. If the hosting arrangementis the same, it would be held at Frazier Lake Airpark, 1C9. Yes-?Looking at the 1C9 website, they have Saturday June 3 listed as an Antique AircraftDisplay Day on their event calendar.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Has the date been set for this year's West Coast Piet event? If tradition holds,it would be June 2-3-4... the first weekend in June. If the hosting arrangementis the same, it would be held at Frazier Lake Airpark, 1C9. Yes-?Looking at the 1C9 website, they have Saturday June 3 listed as an Antique AircraftDisplay Day on their event calendar.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Oscar,Thanks for the advice.I live in Lander, WY. We actually have a Pietenpol here at our airport, so I dohave some exposure and possibly even some guidance just don't want to assumethat. He is a good guy and I have talked to him a little bit about getting intobuilding. He built from scratch to the Pietenpol plans so a lot of knowledgeto be gleaned there.I will try and be patient while looking for the right way to get started and theseguys are right I really don't want to miss out on much of the building soI wouldn't want a 50% done project, just more looking for a deal to get started.My parents live in Jacksonville, OR. So next time I get out there I would loveto meet you and talk Piets. Maybe I will have a project by then. Thanks for the info and encouragement. BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Oscar,Thanks for the advice.I live in Lander, WY. We actually have a Pietenpol here at our airport, so I dohave some exposure and possibly even some guidance just don't want to assumethat. He is a good guy and I have talked to him a little bit about getting intobuilding. He built from scratch to the Pietenpol plans so a lot of knowledgeto be gleaned there.I will try and be patient while looking for the right way to get started and theseguys are right I really don't want to miss out on much of the building soI wouldn't want a 50% done project, just more looking for a deal to get started.My parents live in Jacksonville, OR. So next time I get out there I would loveto meet you and talk Piets. Maybe I will have a project by then. Thanks for the info and encouragement. BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Brent Wilson"
Just reading a recent issue of AOPA Pilot with a great article about the C-130Hercules by Barry Schiff. For those who are not AOPA members or who may not befamiliar with Schiff, he has been a contributor to the magazine for many years,has logged over 28,000 hours in more than 355 types of aircraft, has earnedevery FAA category and class rating except airship, and holds every possibleinstructor's rating.So what does Schiff say makes the best type of aircraft to learn to fly in? Ataildragger with minimal instrumentation. If this sounds like the Air Camper,then you're in the right place ;o) Yes, there are a few drawbacks to takingflight instruction in this airplane, such as the difficulty in communicating betweenthe two cockpits and the lack of complete dual controls and instrumentationin most Piets. Still, a front-cockpit flight in a Piet is not a bad wayto get introduced to flying and if the love of flight and a connection to theairplane is there, graduating to the rear cockpit is a worthy goal and anyonewith the love of flight will dream of the day that they can take the controlsin the rear cockpit where the instruments are, where the pilot sits. I know Isure did.I was 54 years old when I took my first flight and instruction in a Piet and Iwas at the front cockpit controls. No instruments up there... just throttle,stick, and rudder pedals. I learned to fly the airplane by sound and feel fromthe front before I was allowed to graduate to the back, because my instructorwanted me to understand the airplane, get to know how things looked out thefront, back, and sides in all flight regimes, and connect all of the necessaryelements and sensations of flight in the Air Camper without the distraction ofthe gauges. He had the brakes, fuel shutoff, and carb heat control in the backbut I had to call out their usage when they were needed. Now I fly the airplanealmost without thinking and I can usually tell when something's not quiteright without checking the instruments. I especially enjoy pasture flyingby the seat of my pants, where it's just me and the airplane. Radio off, no placeto be any certain time, fuel in the tank, and just flying the airplane. It's times like those when I feel like I can extract the most performance outof both myself and the airplane. The shortest landings, best control coordination,smoothest rollouts, most confidence, and overall best feeling about flyingwithout the airplane or the flight conditions getting ahead of me even a tinybit. You could say that at those times I feel like a 60-something Top Gun,and it's a great feeling. I'm not saying you can't experience the same thingin a DA-20 Katana with Garmin G500 glass panel, but it's a different experiencelearning in one of those as opposed to learning with the smell of a grass airstripswirling around you in the cockpit. Different experiences, yes. Now if there weren't so many roadblocks hindering us from taking would-be pilotsflying, and I'm not just talking about youngsters! I'm soon going to turn 66and when I roll my Piet out of the hangar, even if it's just to exercise theengine and warm up the oil, I feel alive and excited and like a pilot again.If I'm going flying, then I really get alert and tuned up, wondering what I'veforgotten, mentally going through my plans for the flight, making sure I'vegotten the AWOS and ATIS and listening for NOTAMS with the radio echoing insidethe hangar as I conduct the preflight, checking everything twice.The preflight jitters all melt away as I taxi out and once the mains leave therunway and I'm in the air. This is why we fly Air Campers, and I'm with BarrySchiff: this sure is a good way to learn how to appreciate flight. I can becomeproficient with the Garmin G1000 system sitting at the simulator in the FBOwhile the field is IFR and it's cold and raining outside, but I can't learnhow to fly sitting there. The days are starting to get a little warmer and I'mthinking more and more about the smell of avgas and the hangar and a grass stripin the sunshine. Can you tell? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Just reading a recent issue of AOPA Pilot with a great article about the C-130Hercules by Barry Schiff. For those who are not AOPA members or who may not befamiliar with Schiff, he has been a contributor to the magazine for many years,has logged over 28,000 hours in more than 355 types of aircraft, has earnedevery FAA category and class rating except airship, and holds every possibleinstructor's rating.So what does Schiff say makes the best type of aircraft to learn to fly in? Ataildragger with minimal instrumentation. If this sounds like the Air Camper,then you're in the right place ;o) Yes, there are a few drawbacks to takingflight instruction in this airplane, such as the difficulty in communicating betweenthe two cockpits and the lack of complete dual controls and instrumentationin most Piets. Still, a front-cockpit flight in a Piet is not a bad wayto get introduced to flying and if the love of flight and a connection to theairplane is there, graduating to the rear cockpit is a worthy goal and anyonewith the love of flight will dream of the day that they can take the controlsin the rear cockpit where the instruments are, where the pilot sits. I know Isure did.I was 54 years old when I took my first flight and instruction in a Piet and Iwas at the front cockpit controls. No instruments up there... just throttle,stick, and rudder pedals. I learned to fly the airplane by sound and feel fromthe front before I was allowed to graduate to the back, because my instructorwanted me to understand the airplane, get to know how things looked out thefront, back, and sides in all flight regimes, and connect all of the necessaryelements and sensations of flight in the Air Camper without the distraction ofthe gauges. He had the brakes, fuel shutoff, and carb heat control in the backbut I had to call out their usage when they were needed. Now I fly the airplanealmost without thinking and I can usually tell when something's not quiteright without checking the instruments. I especially enjoy pasture flyingby the seat of my pants, where it's just me and the airplane. Radio off, no placeto be any certain time, fuel in the tank, and just flying the airplane. It's times like those when I feel like I can extract the most performance outof both myself and the airplane. The shortest landings, best control coordination,smoothest rollouts, most confidence, and overall best feeling about flyingwithout the airplane or the flight conditions getting ahead of me even a tinybit. You could say that at those times I feel like a 60-something Top Gun,and it's a great feeling. I'm not saying you can't experience the same thingin a DA-20 Katana with Garmin G500 glass panel, but it's a different experiencelearning in one of those as opposed to learning with the smell of a grass airstripswirling around you in the cockpit. Different experiences, yes. Now if there weren't so many roadblocks hindering us from taking would-be pilotsflying, and I'm not just talking about youngsters! I'm soon going to turn 66and when I roll my Piet out of the hangar, even if it's just to exercise theengine and warm up the oil, I feel alive and excited and like a pilot again.If I'm going flying, then I really get alert and tuned up, wondering what I'veforgotten, mentally going through my plans for the flight, making sure I'vegotten the AWOS and ATIS and listening for NOTAMS with the radio echoing insidethe hangar as I conduct the preflight, checking everything twice.The preflight jitters all melt away as I taxi out and once the mains leave therunway and I'm in the air. This is why we fly Air Campers, and I'm with BarrySchiff: this sure is a good way to learn how to appreciate flight. I can becomeproficient with the Garmin G1000 system sitting at the simulator in the FBOwhile the field is IFR and it's cold and raining outside, but I can't learnhow to fly sitting there. The days are starting to get a little warmer and I'mthinking more and more about the smell of avgas and the hangar and a grass stripin the sunshine. Can you tell? ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "tools"
Oscar,I will definitely let you know when I head that way.I do not have a tail wheel endorsement, but we have an instructor here in Landerso I'm hoping to start working on that this summer. Sounds like I will haveplenty of time to work on that looking at some of the build times for a Piet!Thanks for your help.BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Oscar,I will definitely let you know when I head that way.I do not have a tail wheel endorsement, but we have an instructor here in Landerso I'm hoping to start working on that this summer. Sounds like I will haveplenty of time to work on that looking at some of the build times for a Piet!Thanks for your help.BrentRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Vincent Dunn"
It appears that the link you have for flight instruction in an EA be aircraft isa dead link or it's linked to something other than what you want.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
It appears that the link you have for flight instruction in an EA be aircraft isa dead link or it's linked to something other than what you want.--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Brent Wilson"
Oscar,That's the weekend I'm planning on. Haven't heard otherwise.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Oscar,That's the weekend I'm planning on. Haven't heard otherwise.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Ok, I'm new so I have a lot of questions. I've noticed when a newbie asks a questionsomebody answers it then politely suggests you could have looked in thearchives and got the answers. So how do you get to the archives and search fora previously asked questions?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Ok, I'm new so I have a lot of questions. I've noticed when a newbie asks a questionsomebody answers it then politely suggests you could have looked in thearchives and got the answers. So how do you get to the archives and search fora previously asked questions?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "at7000ft"
Mike,Looks like you are using the front of the seat for a rudder stop? Would you happento have the distance from your alum. stop to the center of rudder bar? Assumingthis gives the correct rudder throw? Thanks RobRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Mike,Looks like you are using the front of the seat for a rudder stop? Would you happento have the distance from your alum. stop to the center of rudder bar? Assumingthis gives the correct rudder throw? Thanks RobRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy