Original Posted By: "bkendr01"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wavy Okoume Plywood Leading EdgeJust a thought and not advice. At least when I do something the second timeI do it much better and faster.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:> No link on my computer! C>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:54 PM, womenfly2 wrote:>>> >>>>> The lead edge is very critical to the airflow and must be have a very>> smooth transition or you will not have an laminar airflow which could stall>> the wing at higher airspeed.>>>> Issue with not using aircraft grade plywood ... ? Did a plywood leading>> edge on my Piper L-4, still smooth as when I applied it. See pictures on my>> link below.>>>> Remove and start over .... no covering will help it and if reworked with>> heat, will come back later with humidity changes. Apply new skins and seal>> right away to stabilize the wood.>>>> Be safe!>> WF2>>>> -------->>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 863#448863>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========>> br> fts!)>> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">>> www.buildersbooks.com>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> ==========>> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> FORUMS ->> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> b Site ->> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========>>>>>>>>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: "tools"
This is how the prop broke. Wow, first weak link is gone. EAA national knows of the guy and they say that they are in no position to help.Although, If we got this guy to the OSH fly-in they might be able to providetickets for him to attend. Pretty weak response from them as far as I am concerned.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMMfcn ... -----Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
This is how the prop broke. Wow, first weak link is gone. EAA national knows of the guy and they say that they are in no position to help.Although, If we got this guy to the OSH fly-in they might be able to providetickets for him to attend. Pretty weak response from them as far as I am concerned.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMMfcn ... -----Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: "tools"
I've not heard anyone complain about the bargain bag.But, not enough to build a fuse I don't think.So, where are ya and what are your capabilities and goals?If you are a well connected or equipped woodworker, I'd try to buy rough lumberlocally and mill yourself. If you aren't, or want to build quicker, just getthe kit. So it really depends as you see.Doug fir is pretty easy to get if you don't mind the weight penalty, which maybe moot if you're not going to install batteries, transponders, radios... If you're using a hunnert horse corvair, may not matter. If you're using a ford,it might. If you live near Madison wi, spruce is available locally. Maybe also so out westor merely a very well stocked lumber yard. If you live near Atlanta, shippingthat stuff won't matter because you can pick up locally. Same for other vendors.Great choice of plane. Also consider getting an abandoned project as a kick start,unless one of your goals is doing it all yourself.Cheers,ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
I've not heard anyone complain about the bargain bag.But, not enough to build a fuse I don't think.So, where are ya and what are your capabilities and goals?If you are a well connected or equipped woodworker, I'd try to buy rough lumberlocally and mill yourself. If you aren't, or want to build quicker, just getthe kit. So it really depends as you see.Doug fir is pretty easy to get if you don't mind the weight penalty, which maybe moot if you're not going to install batteries, transponders, radios... If you're using a hunnert horse corvair, may not matter. If you're using a ford,it might. If you live near Madison wi, spruce is available locally. Maybe also so out westor merely a very well stocked lumber yard. If you live near Atlanta, shippingthat stuff won't matter because you can pick up locally. Same for other vendors.Great choice of plane. Also consider getting an abandoned project as a kick start,unless one of your goals is doing it all yourself.Cheers,ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
All we would like to do is communicate with this fellow. Help him in his projectand encourage him in his efforts. Would the operator (Matt) of this forum haveany way to know if he has looked at this forum or tried to join?His coming to OSH would be a triumph in publicity for EAA, but that is not whatthis fellow needs. Coming from such a poor country, he would be overwhelmed atOSH and probably deeply depressed and ashamed of his efforts. If he just hadthe plans for a Piet, or GN-1, or maybe even a MiniMax would be a great help.Ship him some Spruce, chromoly, some fabric, some T-88. Maybe even an Aeroveeengine, a close to-run-out A-65, an old prop...maybe even some encouragement!How about Michael P's set of building videos? Maybe an old Nicopress tool,cable, screen door turnbuckles! Anything would be better than cables tiedin knots! Let's try to help, not use him or try to show him what great things we can do inthis country...with virtually unlimited resources!Enough of my preaching,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 6, 2015, at 11:32 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > > This is how the prop broke. Wow, first weak link is gone. > > EAA national knows of the guy and they say that they are in no position to help.Although, If we got this guy to the OSH fly-in they might be able to providetickets for him to attend. Pretty weak response from them as far as I amconcerned. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMMfcnI3A4> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 890#448890> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
All we would like to do is communicate with this fellow. Help him in his projectand encourage him in his efforts. Would the operator (Matt) of this forum haveany way to know if he has looked at this forum or tried to join?His coming to OSH would be a triumph in publicity for EAA, but that is not whatthis fellow needs. Coming from such a poor country, he would be overwhelmed atOSH and probably deeply depressed and ashamed of his efforts. If he just hadthe plans for a Piet, or GN-1, or maybe even a MiniMax would be a great help.Ship him some Spruce, chromoly, some fabric, some T-88. Maybe even an Aeroveeengine, a close to-run-out A-65, an old prop...maybe even some encouragement!How about Michael P's set of building videos? Maybe an old Nicopress tool,cable, screen door turnbuckles! Anything would be better than cables tiedin knots! Let's try to help, not use him or try to show him what great things we can do inthis country...with virtually unlimited resources!Enough of my preaching,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 6, 2015, at 11:32 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > > This is how the prop broke. Wow, first weak link is gone. > > EAA national knows of the guy and they say that they are in no position to help.Although, If we got this guy to the OSH fly-in they might be able to providetickets for him to attend. Pretty weak response from them as far as I amconcerned. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgMMfcnI3A4> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 890#448890> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: Jack
I am only studying to build a piet for now. Seeing this phenomena is interesting.A thought to remove the moisture could be to bag the wing and pull a low vacumon it removing any moisture from it. Some painters plastic, some duct tape to seal the bag. A simple vacuum Venturi and compressor to pull it down. It may remove the moisture.I do think though if this occurred with a heavy UV load and the glue within thewood softened and re hardened, then there are other concerns. Interesting subject.I hope the repair however it is accomplished is simple for you.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
I am only studying to build a piet for now. Seeing this phenomena is interesting.A thought to remove the moisture could be to bag the wing and pull a low vacumon it removing any moisture from it. Some painters plastic, some duct tape to seal the bag. A simple vacuum Venturi and compressor to pull it down. It may remove the moisture.I do think though if this occurred with a heavy UV load and the glue within thewood softened and re hardened, then there are other concerns. Interesting subject.I hope the repair however it is accomplished is simple for you.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Welcome to the club Bill. As others have mentioned the bargain bag won't work.I started with the ribs which allowed me to gain experience, find out if buildingfrom plans was a good idea and the cost for rib parts was pretty minimal.I used Douglas fir for my fuselage longerons and wish I used spruce. Startingwith the fuselage will raise many questions early on, like which engine, gear,long or short fuselage, etc. However you begin, as time goes on you mayfind deals on partially completed projects, wood from projects never started,etc. good luck and enjoy!JackSent from my iPadJack Textor> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:09 PM, "bkendr01" wrote:> > > Hello. My name is Bill Kendrick from San Antonio, TX. I am new to the listand just wanted to introduce myself. I made the decision a few weeks ago to starta Pietenpol build. I have only constructed my work benches and purchasedthe set of plans. I plan to start with the fuselage but have not purchased anymaterials yet. Can any of you offer suggestions as to what to purchase firstregarding lumber? I have priced the A.S. fuselage kit ($1085 I believe) butwas wondering if the bargain bag would be a better way to go given the muchlower price. I guess my question is will there be enough footage in the bargainbag (or multiple bargain bags) to do the fuselage or at least get started?> > Thanks,> Bill> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 886#448886> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:02:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Welcome to the club Bill. As others have mentioned the bargain bag won't work.I started with the ribs which allowed me to gain experience, find out if buildingfrom plans was a good idea and the cost for rib parts was pretty minimal.I used Douglas fir for my fuselage longerons and wish I used spruce. Startingwith the fuselage will raise many questions early on, like which engine, gear,long or short fuselage, etc. However you begin, as time goes on you mayfind deals on partially completed projects, wood from projects never started,etc. good luck and enjoy!JackSent from my iPadJack Textor> On Nov 6, 2015, at 12:09 PM, "bkendr01" wrote:> > > Hello. My name is Bill Kendrick from San Antonio, TX. I am new to the listand just wanted to introduce myself. I made the decision a few weeks ago to starta Pietenpol build. I have only constructed my work benches and purchasedthe set of plans. I plan to start with the fuselage but have not purchased anymaterials yet. Can any of you offer suggestions as to what to purchase firstregarding lumber? I have priced the A.S. fuselage kit ($1085 I believe) butwas wondering if the bargain bag would be a better way to go given the muchlower price. I guess my question is will there be enough footage in the bargainbag (or multiple bargain bags) to do the fuselage or at least get started?> > Thanks,> Bill> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 886#448886> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 09:02:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Ryan,Thanks for the link. I sent him a message. Let's see what happens.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> > > https://www.facebook.com/asmelash.zeferu> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 899#448899> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Ryan,Thanks for the link. I sent him a message. Let's see what happens.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> > > https://www.facebook.com/asmelash.zeferu> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 899#448899> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Bill;Too bad you didn't make your decision to start building a Piet a few years agowhen I lived in San Antonio. I had my Piet out at San Geronimo (8T8) and had(still have) all of the plywood and rough lumber (Douglas fir) to build a anotherPiet fuselage, wings, and tail surfaces. Would have been easier for me topass it on to a new builder than load and haul it 2300 miles to sit in my hangarhere in Oregon ;o)However, several others have mentioned that it is possible to find already-started projects in a good state of progress at a very reasonable price. In fact, the one that Tom Brant was offering for $1500 would be worth looking into and would save you a lot of time and money. He is in the Minneapolis area but you could drive up there over the holidays with a trailer and have it back in time to start on it as a New Year's resolution. There are only three pictures of Tom's project on Westcoastpiet but from what I see in the pictures, it's excellent material and workmanship. Check it out: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Tom%20B ... 0Brant.htm . By the way, you will want to bookmark the Westcoastpiet site because if you ever have a question about how something is built or what it looks like, you will absolutely, positively be able to find a picture of it by browsing the pictures there. It is the Air Camper's "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:39:23 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Bill;Too bad you didn't make your decision to start building a Piet a few years agowhen I lived in San Antonio. I had my Piet out at San Geronimo (8T8) and had(still have) all of the plywood and rough lumber (Douglas fir) to build a anotherPiet fuselage, wings, and tail surfaces. Would have been easier for me topass it on to a new builder than load and haul it 2300 miles to sit in my hangarhere in Oregon ;o)However, several others have mentioned that it is possible to find already-started projects in a good state of progress at a very reasonable price. In fact, the one that Tom Brant was offering for $1500 would be worth looking into and would save you a lot of time and money. He is in the Minneapolis area but you could drive up there over the holidays with a trailer and have it back in time to start on it as a New Year's resolution. There are only three pictures of Tom's project on Westcoastpiet but from what I see in the pictures, it's excellent material and workmanship. Check it out: http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Tom%20B ... 0Brant.htm . By the way, you will want to bookmark the Westcoastpiet site because if you ever have a question about how something is built or what it looks like, you will absolutely, positively be able to find a picture of it by browsing the pictures there. It is the Air Camper's "Treasure of the Sierra Madre" ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:39:23 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
Original Posted By: "bkendr01"
People have dreamed of flying since the creation. This gentleman in Ethiopia isdoing better than a lot have done, but the world does not have a duty to helpevery dreamer make every contraption safe any more than it has a responsibilityfor what the results of the experiment are. You can bore yourself watchingvintage videos of early attempts at flight, but here's a 7-minute sampling:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7MHZY2ADISome are entertaining, some are sad, a few are novel, a few were successful. TheEthiopian fellow's project is just one more in an almost timeless progressionof attempts to make wings and fly.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...
People have dreamed of flying since the creation. This gentleman in Ethiopia isdoing better than a lot have done, but the world does not have a duty to helpevery dreamer make every contraption safe any more than it has a responsibilityfor what the results of the experiment are. You can bore yourself watchingvintage videos of early attempts at flight, but here's a 7-minute sampling:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7MHZY2ADISome are entertaining, some are sad, a few are novel, a few were successful. TheEthiopian fellow's project is just one more in an almost timeless progressionof attempts to make wings and fly.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introducing myself and question about lumber purchase...