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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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So why does beer go through the human body so fast?Clif> Shad,> For your sake, I hope your flow rate of warm liquids is equal to or > greater than your flow of cold liquids. (i.e. outflow greater than or > equal to inflow)>> BC________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
TerryNo offence taken but I was hoping to taking a Marine officer for a bit more money, I will bring stuff with me to Brodhead anyway in case somebody wants to take me up on my bet. There are liquor stores in town in case.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: Scott Knowlton
Dick,Just to be clear, as well as being a point of pride, but I was an "E" before Iwas an "O". But you can try and take my money any time, Dick.Semper Fi, Marine!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
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Original Posted By:>> speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
Picture please! Scott Knowlton Sent from my iPhone> On Jun 27, 2014, at 5:11 PM, "Ken Bickers" wrote:> > My thinking on this. I'm not a structural engineer. I don't know how much a hole through the strut near its midpoint might weaken it, nor do I know how to calculate such a figure. I do know that the jury strut is there to keep the strut from collapsing near its midpoint when experiencing negative loads (i.e., when in compression). I figured that putting a hole at the exact spot that I was trying to keep the strut from collapsing was a bad idea. So I used straps to secure the jury struts. They were easy to make and easy to assemble. > > >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Brian Kenney wrote:>> I don't think you need a 1/4" bolt for a jury strut and I think 3/16" should be enough. The bigger issue is the internal support if you use a pass thru bolt to prevent flattening the strut. One or two strong blind rivets on one side may be better. The critical connections are the strut ends. I am working on designing them. The limiting issue with them seems to be the crushing of the strut material by the thru bolts as they are in shear. To say it another way, the elongation of the strut holes under maximum load. If anyone has done this analysis I would like to hear about it. >> >> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700
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Re: Pietenpol-List: BPA newsletter

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RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Look at any Cub. They all have 'em.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake (W91), Virginia _____
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
I plan on flying out from Virginia, leaving Wed., the 23rd and arriving Thurs. or Fri, depending on weather. Is there a group planning to fly to OSH on Sunday?Matt PaxtonNX629ML________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
The NZ Piets were/are powered by Toyota Hilux engines:http://nzcivair.blogspot.com/2013/07/pi ... land.htmlI have no idea which of the many Hilux engines they used though. Over the yearsthere were many variations, from 1.5L and on up. Most of them seem to makerated power at 4800 RPM but I don't see a reduction drive on the pictures of theNZ Piets, so who knows how much power they get out of them.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
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Original Posted By: Jim Markle
OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R engine but thatstill doesn't help figure out how much power it's making. They are variouslyrated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:18:30 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Original Posted By:> taildrags(at)hotmail.com
I believe it is a 4Y engine which is a pushrod engine not with an overhead cam > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Re: Pietenpol-List: barnstorming fly in

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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
I'm planning on flying my Piet up from Virginia, leaving Wednesday, the 23rd and arriving Thursday or Friday, depending on weather. Are there any plans to fly a group of Piets on Sunday to Oshkosh. I'm in for that.Matt PaxtonNX629ML________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 10:28:34 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead light this year

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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
I don't know anything about a "group" fly up on Sunday, but I'm planning on headingout then, hopefully Jeff B will be as well. The Hatz guys have arranged some group parking for "vintage homebuilts" at theconvention, and have invited us. A gent named Kevin Conner said he'd get holdof us during Brodhead with details. I've never flown in before, hoping to tag along with someone as I may not evenhave a radio!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Charles, I'm saddened to hear about your wife's passing. Hopefully she's ina better place now. I think you'll find working on your Pietenpol to be thebest "Grief Therapy" you can find.Good luck to you.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake (W91), Virginia _____
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Engines

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Original Posted By: Brian Kenney
well according to wikkepedia,the early 22r engines made 128 ftpounds at 2800 rpm(torquepeak) thats about 68 HP.________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Engines

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Original Posted By:> smikewest(at)comcast.net
Ivan Bellworthy's is a y4 http://www.toyota-industries.com/compon ... ts/y4.html
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014

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Original Posted By: Peter Griffiths
Peter and Steve,Enjoy the to flight. Looks like you are flying the route dad and I took in 96.Have fun.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014

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Original Posted By: "tools"
Pretty muchPeterSent from my iPhone> On Jun 30, 2014, at 17:11, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Peter and Steve,> Enjoy the to flight. Looks like you are flying the route dad and I took in 96.Have fun.> Cheers,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 801#425801> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014

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Original Posted By: Peter Griffiths
WOW, that's fantastic. Have a safe journey, make sure the ground crew knows howto post here to keep us updated... unless of course your Piet has a glass cockpitand you can do it enroute!Of course (Scott), two planes are (Scott) better than (Scott) one, and the mutual(Scott) backup would be (Scott) great... just (Scott) sayin'..Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead & Oshkosh 2014
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Original Posted By: Michael Weston
We may have CT Light Sport coming with usPeterN1279ZSent from my iPhone> On Jun 30, 2014, at 18:03, "tools" wrote:> > > WOW, that's fantastic. Have a safe journey, make sure the ground crew knowshow to post here to keep us updated... unless of course your Piet has a glasscockpit and you can do it enroute!> > Of course (Scott), two planes are (Scott) better than (Scott) one, and the mutual(Scott) backup would be (Scott) great... just (Scott) sayin'..> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 803#425803> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: shad bell
O.K. i think you're on to something, i just posted about the 22r horsepower @2800RPMhowever, the 22r has the spark plugs on the other side of the motor thanthe one in the photo.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:46:05 -0700
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: John Fay
Hi Andy, welcome aboard!The tailwheel spring you can get from John Deere-The part number is T143444Think it was about 50 bucks-I don't have the sizes in front of me, but it is slightly larger in diameter than what is called for in the plans, so theTubing for the cups that the springs go into needs to beslightly larger as well--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:24:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Welcome aboard Andy!Search the archives and you'll assuredly find discussion about where guys foundtheir springs. I've heard a John Deere spring and others, just don't recallspecificsI have the plans unit and made up my own tail wheel using a small wheel from McMasterCarr. My humble observations thru the years is that the plans design is very good, justneeds a cross piece added ahead I'd the wheel since it wasn't designed forsteering loads originally. I feel it is actually stronger in a side load conditionand light.Douwe Sent from my iPhone________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 06:34:16 -0700
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines

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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
You're not the only one. My cg is also towards the front of the envelope. Ihave a long fuse, Corvair powered Piet. I have my horizontal twisted to compensate.I moved my wing too far back in the build and I think this winter I'llmove my wing forward some so I can take the twist out of the stab. It fliesnice how it is though. I had the engine shut down on take off due to carbice while taking my first passenger up (my wife). With the forward cg the nosecame right down and was very controllable. We made a safe landing off airportand yes, my wife still flies with me. Mike GroahTulare CA414MVSent from my iPad> On Jul 2, 2014, at 7:23 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> Me.> > Just a short clip of what's going on. > I took everybody suggestions.....I twisted the tail, added a shim and still nochange. Terrible stick pressure to keep the nose up.> Re-checked weight and balance and yes it is forward at 15.9"> I bought two lead shot bags at 25 lbs each and that's the next step is to putone along side of the driver and see if it make s a change, one at a time.> > On a funny note, im the only guy with a nose heavy Pietenpol!! should have builtthe long fuse version! > > > http://youtu.be/o02X2V7F4VM> > --------> NX321LR> Now test flying!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 917#425917> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engines
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Re: Pietenpol-List: ###4th FLIGHT###

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Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Don't think this one has actually taken flight (yet).But if/when it does, I'm sure it will be a "first".http://msumadvocate.com/2013/10/22/its- ... plane/Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ###4th FLIGHT###
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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
Move the wing forward....GeneOn Jul 2, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "Chris Rusch" wrote:> > Just a short clip of what's going on. > I took everybody suggestions.....I twisted the tail, added a shim and still nochange. Terrible stick pressure to keep the nose up.> Re-checked weight and balance and yes it is forward at 15.9"> I bought two lead shot bags at 25 lbs each and that's the next step is to putone along side of the driver and see if it make s a change, one at a time.> > On a funny note, im the only guy with a nose heavy Pietenpol!! should have builtthe long fuse version! > > > http://youtu.be/o02X2V7F4VM> > --------> NX321LR> Now test flying!!> Mitsubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 917#425917> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Engines

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> > > I have been having trouble sending this article to some of you who> have requested it.> If you wish to receive it via snail mail send an SASE to:> > Greg Cardinal> 5236 Shoreview Ave. So.> Minneapolis, MN 55417> > There will be no charge for copies.> > Greg> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:05:20 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engines
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> ** Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R engine but that still doesn't help figure out how much power it's making. They are variously rated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford=2C OR> Air Camper NX41CC &quot=3BScout&quot=3B> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 740#425740> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 04:15:43 -0700
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Original Posted By: dewey davenport
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>> >> >> >> > OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R engine> but that still doesn't help figure out how much power it's making. They are> variously rated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.> >> > --------> > Oscar Zuniga> > Medford, OR> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> > A75 power> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 740#425740> >> >> >> >> >> >> &gt==========> >> >> >>> *>>> *>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 06:13:53 -0700
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> et>> > well according to wikkepedia=2Cthe early 22r engines made 128 ftpounds at 2800 rpm(torque peak) thats about 68 HP.> ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:58:46 -0400
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Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel

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>> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>>>> >>> taildrags(at)hotmail.com>>> >>> > OK... sorry... I found out that the Kiwi Piet uses the Toyota 22R>> engine but that still doesn't help figure out how much power it's making.>> They are variously rated at 97-108 HP at 4800-5000 RPM.>> >>> > -------->> > Oscar Zuniga>> > Medford, OR>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">>>> > A75 power>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Read this topic online here:>> >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 740#425740>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> &gt==========>> >>> >>> >>>>> *>>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ttp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>> *>>>>>>> --> Blue Skies,> Steve D>> *>>> *>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel
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