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Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Steve -Thanks for adding me to the list. Building a corvair-Piet and learning a lot as we go. Fuselage is on the gear, tailfeathers are done, and all ribs are on 1/2 of single pc. wing. Going to Oshkosh for first time next week and hoping to pick up everything for the panel. Putting a 2" venturi outboard to drive small diam. bat-and-ball just in case blunder into some white stuff! Will have close to a 1/2 mi. grass strip at our place next year. Hoping to start up annual Spring fly-in to Wichita.Best regards,CJ Beck15629 E. 45 N.Wichita, KS 67228316.733.4553 ________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol

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Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
I feel rather sure I want to build a "Pete". Can you help me hook upwith someone in the Houston, Tx. area? The first order of business seemsthat I should see how one suits me. Any help will be greatlyappreciated. Any info on "Petes".....anything at all will also beappreciated. I'm sure I'll be talking to you again. Thanks.________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Interesting item on eBay web site item#152258603: Pietenpol

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Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community,and thought that you might be interested.Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper-39" Model Aircraft PlanSeller: svnseas(at)earthlink.netPrice: Currently $8.00To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dl ... =152258603 Free Flight Scale model plans (not a kit)for .049 gas power. Designed byDave Haught. Blue print copy. Buyer to pay an additional 2.50 for shipping.Money orders will ship next day, please allow 14 days for personal checks toto Wiley Post. Please email me for an email list. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol

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Original Posted By: Carbarvo(at)aol.com
Wow, this looks like a good one....Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol Air Camper> I saw this item for sale at eBayMotors, The World's Online Marketplace TM,and thought that you might be interested.>> Title of item: Pietenpol Air Camper> Seller: beepilot> Price: Currently $500.00> To bid on the item, go to:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2429974094>>> Item Description:>> Pietenpol Air Camper>> I am listing this Pietenpol project for Kevin, who needs the hanger space.This would make a great starting point for someone wanting to build a "1937Air camper" Idon't personally know the details, but the workmanship looks great.The plans are there, along with some pictures of the build process.>>> Vehicle Condition>>> This is a partially built project.> > Plans are listed as"1937 Air Camper with a 1960 Corvair Engine"> > Always been indoorsand with no apparent damage to the structures.> > Photo's can beviewed at http://www.steve.dewright.us/Pietenpol/index.htm> > If you have anyquestions contact Kevin at 1-636-926-0039> Or e-mail me andI'll do my best to answer any questions.>>> Terms of Sale>>> Paypal, US Postal Money Order, orCash. 25% of winningbid must be paid within 3 days of auction ending. The balances due at timeof pick up or after arrangements are made for shipping.Buyer mustarrange all shipping. Buyer must pick up or have shipping arrangements madewithin an agreeable time frame.> >>> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2429974094: Pietenpol

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Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitch trimming

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Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
Jeff,We had the same problem with NX18235 when it first flew. It required about 6 lbs. of aft stick pressure to maintain level flight.One problem we found was the elevators were rigged slightly uneven. When this was corrected the required aft stick pressure was reduced to about 2 lbs. The remaining trimming was taken care of by adjusting the stabilizer turnbuckles.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitch trimming

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Original Posted By: "Rob Stapleton"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pitch trimmingFirst, a few observations: The Pietenpol Airfoil has a LOT of negative pitching moment, requiring more down force on the tail than other types of airfoils, which is another oneof the things that cause this type airframe to be very draggy. Trim drag is the amount of Down force applied to the tail, to maintain level flight at a particular power setting. Another thing that aggravates the negative pitchingmoment, is the actual weight of the flippers, which adds to the nose down characteristic. The pitch axis is dynamic on Pietenpols, similar to any other aircraft, in that trim drag changes with changes in C of G. If you carried all of your fuel in the wing (as designed), the C of G changes very little, hence, no needfor adjustable pitch trim. Choices:Adjusting the leading edge of the stabilizer down, to attain a nose up attitude would be a ground adjustable trim method. If you use a cowling fuel tank,an in flight adjustable trim tab, or some type of spring / bunji applied to either the bell crank, or the stick, may be used. In my mind, I don't like anything extra - if it ain't there, it can't break...kiss method. I had similar characteristics as you (and many others), in that I had to hold back stick, to maintain level flight when the C of G was at the forward positions - full cowl tank. The thing I did was to experiment with a Fixed trim tab on the inboard trailing edge of each flipper. This negates the weightof the flippers, and has no moving parts. I used balsa wood trailing edge of R. C. airplanes, available at hobby stores. Each one is about 5" long, and 1 1/2" wide, and blended right into the trailing edge of the flipper. I experimented with the angle of the trim tab, and after many test flights, foundan angle that would be hands off, with the C of G in the mid to forward range. Tomake dynamic pitch trim changes, I simply adjust the power setting. I have pictures of my trim tabs here : http://nx770cg.com/Fuselage.htmlChuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Affordable Flying Center featured aircraft: Pietenpol

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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
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From: silvius(at)gwi.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pietenpol

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Original Posted By: silvius(at)gwi.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol
He should have taken a pic of the tree and then the airplane for a before and after. That would be awesome. On one hand I don't want a ride in it on the other hand that is the true Pietenpol spirit. Bernard himself would have been more ballsy that me. He would have flown it.Jonathan
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera

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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Jeff,I like the new camera and your landings. Keep it up.I sold my Piet in July this year so I could continue building and finish my Zodiac 601XL. A series of Mods are now available for the 601 and they will keep me out of the air for a while longer. I am seriously considering building another Piet after this 601 and am thoroughly enjoying your videos.The weather in Aussie at the moment is beautiful for Piet flying and I DON=99T HAVE ONE..Thanks for the views.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper: One Person Injured In Plane

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According to the FAA registry:Check for printingN-number : N486LBAircraft Serial Number : 2Aircraft Manufacturer : BROCHETTI LOUIS Model : PIETENPOL AIRCAMPEREngine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : A&C75 SERIESAircraft Year : 1990Owner Name : CATCHPOLE RONALD DOwner Address : 8457 KING GRAVES RD NE WARREN, OH, 44484-1112Type of Owner : IndividualRegistration Date : 21-Apr-2010Airworthiness Certificate Type : ExperimentalApproved Operations : Amateur BuiltJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Mike:I know a farmer a real old timer who goes by the name of Lucky and back about 1985 he built himself a Piet. He cut down a poplar tree on the back 40=2C milled it and started building. About six months from tree to finished flying plane. Not much for cosmetics on his rendition. I hear tell it is still out there flying. Michael ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
bad for Jeff!!! All he wanted to do was share some wheel landing videos and he gets attacked!! I gotta say, looking at the first 15 seconds, it looks like the prop has a high speed wabbleI=99m surprised that someone hasn=99t asked him why he flies with a wobbly prop. My point is:=C2- How can any of us make a critique of his climb out based on this kind of footage? It looks to me like Jeff handles his Piet just fine.=0A>=C2-=0A>Gary Boothe=0A>Cool, Ca. =0A>Pietenpol =0A>WW Corvair Conversion, mounted =0A>Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear =0A>(15 ribs down) =0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of H RULE=0A>Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:21 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera=0A>=C2- =0A>As I said before,I was trained by ultralight pilots and they climb at high attack angles and get up as fast as you can.We used 2 stroke engines in every case.The old guys are telling me that it's not a good idea with 4 stroke engines to climb at such attack angles.They do not even agree with the pilots who fly the 2 strokes that it's a good idea to fly like that.They just shake their heads and walk away and say good luck fella cause in their mind you may be OK today but one day that's going to kill you.=C2- =0A>=C2-=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:Ryan Mueller =0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:35:16 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera=0A>=0A>Could you categorize climbing out at 60-70mph in a Piet as a slow airspeed climb? At that point Jeff's probably only 10-15mph from cruise, and still 20-30mph above stall. I would rather have some altitude underneath me and flying at 60-70mph if the prop stops than be low and fast. A draggy airplane like the Piet is not going to gain much altitude in a power-off 'upward zoom'...and if you don't/can't trade that airspeed for much altitude in that situation, what good did it do you to have it in the first place?=0A>=0A>Ryan=0A>On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM, H RULE wrote:=0A>There was a time when I would have agreed with you but the old guys at my field feel that is not the way to do it.I'm just putting forth what these guys are telling me,that's all.They say keep your nose level and gain speed.They feel that is more important than climb.They say the climb will come as you gain speed but it will be a lvel climb not a steep climb.I thought I was doing it right a few times and they told me I was still too steep.=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:Gene & Tammy =0A>To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>Sent:Tue, November 10, 2009 1:41:16 PM =0A>=0A>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera=0A>=C2-=0A>Harvey, just got my puter to work properly and I was able to watch Jeff's take off and I personally don't see a problem with his angle of take off.=C2- He wasn't at such an acute angle that he wouldn't have time to drop the nose and keep flying speed.=0A>Just my 2 cents worth=0A>Gene=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From:H RULE =0A>>To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com =0A>>Sent:Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:25 AM=0A>>Subject:Re: Pietenpol-List: Got a new camera=0A>>=C2-=0A>>If you tried that turn in a Piet you would be toast.It would not make it.Glider ,yes but the Piet is no glider.The old guys tell me to get as much speed as possible by keeping her level longer and a slow climb out.I don't know about getting that stick forward.You may not if your climb angle is too steep.Some of these ultralight guys take off like that.That's the way I was taught as well as an ultralight pilot and it's been hard for me to kick the habit.I'm just tellin ya what the old guys told me and they are still around.I can't argue with that.=C2-I have watched jet liners pull out at an unbelievable angle of attack and it just makes me wonder who is right.But then again a jet liner has more engines and more power and the whole aircraft is different than a Piet so I don't know who is right or who is wrong but for my money ,I'm stickin with the old guys mentallity till I know otherwise.=0A>>=0A>>=C2-=0A> =C2-=0A> AeroElectric wwwmebuilthelp.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" rel=nofollow target=_bla="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" rel=nofollow targe======0A> =C2-=0A> =C2-=0A> =C2-=0A>_blank">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com=0A>="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>"=0A> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ics.com=0A> =C2-=0A>=C2-=0A>www.homebuilthel-> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ========0A> =C2-=0A>=0A>=0A>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com=0A>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com=0A>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A>href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com=0A>/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com=0A>ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com=0A>llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
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