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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
The tail brace wires on 41CC are 1/16" stainless. They weregalvanized cable before, and one of them broke. I suspectcorrosion or fretting... the tail does get buffetted constantlywhile in flight, and anything at the tail of the airplane seems to get the dirtiest and oiliest so when I replaced themI used stainless.To me, 1/8" cable back there is sheer overkill. 3/32" would bea good compromise if 1/16" looks too skinny to you.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"Medford, ORwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:52:06 -0600Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Ken,I think you would want it higher than that, and frankly, I'd make it as tallas possible without looking "funny". Mine are about 10" tall and I wish Ihad made them a couple inches taller. Here is a picture of my installation:The windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you cancomfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:Hope this helps,Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, VirginiaFolks,I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through theyears about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing ofwindscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the topedge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge ofthe rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, onthe optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?Thanks, Ken________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Hope you get good responses on this. I kinda took the easy route and cut a coupleold motorcycle windshields down to fit my fuselage and guessed at having themabout even with the top of my head. I haven't got many hours on it but it generallyok as long as I sit directly behind it and I can even fly with a ballcap on and it stays but you better not raise up any or lean very far to the side.I had a headset on one day and twisted around just a little for somethingand got it in the slipstream and that sucker was gone.no doubt bigger is better.I have not ridden in the front seat yet or has anyone else.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:56:00 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: "Ken Bickers"
Ken, I have never seen "metric" used as a noun before. The word metric, according to my dictionary, is an adjective. Would you explain what a metric is? I will need to decide on the size of a windscreen before too many more months and would like an explanation of your problem. Chuck----- Original Message -----
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Keep in mind some of us are taller when we sit down. I may be only 5'11" but I'm 6'3" when I sit down. I like Markle's idea:)Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio> Date: Mon=2C 29 Aug 2011 14:53:31 -0600> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Waldo did not need much, but, as Raymond commented earlier, he wasn't wearing aheadset to be blown off. I am very early in the building process, but the "moreis better" suggestion sounds good to me. I am glad you asked the question,Ken.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wald ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Chuck,metric/metrik/1. Adjective: Of or based on the meter as a unit of length; relating to the metricsystem.2. Noun: A system or standard of measurement.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Hans Van Der Voort
Ken,The top of my windscreen is above my eyes, but below the top of my head, asshown below:If I had it to do over again, I would make the top of the windscreen evenwith or slightly above the top of my head, as John Hofmann's N502R has it inthe picture below:Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, VirginiaThe windshields on John Hofmann's "502 Rocket" are taller, and you cancomfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Ken,The motor cycle "metric" does not work on the Pietenpol.As the air can not be deflected upwards, bottom of wing prevents that.I tried that at first and now use a wind shield taller inches above "eyebrow" level.As stated by others taller windshield is better.HansNX15KV-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
KenMy windscreen is actually 19" tall, that leaves it about 3" from the top to the bottom of the wing center section. I feel the need for it to be that that because I fly in the winter and that shields my face from the Wicsonsin air in the winter. I fly at about 20 degrees or higher. I have had a winscreen that was 12" high in the past and I dont feel any difference in the rudder.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Donald Lane"
These are barely adequate.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Gre ... 67.JPGThey look good but I get enough turbulence vibrating my goggles that sometimes it is difficult to read the names on the watertowers.The top of the windscreen is approximately forehead high on me. I have about 1 - 2 inches of lateral head movement before I start to feel significant wind buffetting.Greg Cardinal>> Folks,>> I've searched the archives and found lots of discussions through the> years about windscreens, but didn't see a thread on the sizing of> windscreens. On the motorcycle forums, I found mentions that the top> edge of windscreens optimally should lie between the tip and bridge of> the rider's nose. Any thoughts, especially positive experiences, on> the optimal height and sizing of windscreens for Pietenpols?>> Thanks, Ken>________________________________________________________________________________
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I raised the height of my windscreens about 3" on N8031 after flying with the originals somewhere between my nose and forehead for the first 20+ hours. The tops are about 18" above the top longeron. However, I've been getting some low frequency, high amplitude (loud!) harmonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almost convinced it's because the front windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much air up which bounces off the center section and back into the rear 'pit. I'd also like to create a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all the biplanes of the '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that. -- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On Aug 29, 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> Ken,> > The top of my windscreen is above my eyes, but below the top of my head, as shown below:> > > > If I had it to do over again, I would make the top of the windscreen even with or slightly above the top of my head, as John Hofmann=99s N502R has it in the picture below:> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=9D are taller, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing
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Original Posted By:> Dan Yocum
"Thanks for the offer, Gary! It's definitely just a matter of time and not having enough of it." Dan said as he sipped beer on the beach watching his children burying his feet in the sand. ;-)The other problem is that to put a lower angle would require moving the brackets which means I'd have to fill the holes, find the right paint to match, buy a hvlp spray gun and learn how to use that, etc. etc. Nah, I'll just put the original, smaller screen on the front pit and see how that goes. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:23 PM, gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:> "...but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that..."> > What do you mean by that, Dan? Is not possible...or, do you need help? If it's the latter, I'm willing.> > Gary=C2=AC-> Sent on the Sprint=C2=AC=C3=86 Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AC=C3=86>
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Original Posted By:>> Dan Yocum
Ken,It's hard to say how much clearance I have, and I'm currently not near N8031. Idid find some before and after photos of the front windscreen and you shouldbe able to take WAG at the clearance yourself. They're in my N8031 photo galleryon Picasa:https://picasaweb.google.com/m/viewer?f ... 1375105The cabane is 21"3/8 if I recall correctly so that'll give you a reference point(I could be wrong on that value). Cheers,Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On Aug 31, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> > Dan, how much clearance would you estimate you now have between the> top edge of your windscreen and the bottom of the wing? I'm curious> if others with tall windscreens have also gotten the harmonic> buffeting that you are describing. Cheers, Ken> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 2:23 PM, wrote:>> "...but I'm not sure I'll be able to accomplish that...">> >> What do you mean by that, Dan? Is not possible...or, do you need help? If>> it's the latter, I'm willing.>> >> Gary>> >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry>> >> ________________________________
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> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing> > I raised the height of my windscreens a= bout 3" on N8031 after flying with the originals somewhere between my nose a= nd forehead for the first 20+ hours. The tops are about 18" above the top lo= ngeron. > > However, I've been getting some low f= requency, high amplitude (loud!) harmonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almos= t convinced it's because the front windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much a= ir up which bounces off the center section and back into the rear 'pit. &nbs= p;I'd also like to create a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all= the biplanes of the '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accom= plish that. > > -- > Dan Yocum> yocum137(at)gmail.com> "I fly because it relea= ses my mind from the tyranny of petty things."> > On Aug 29= , 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> > Ken,> > > > The top of my windscreen is above my ey= es, but below the top of my head, as shown below:> > > > > > > > If I had it to do over again, I would m= ake the top of the windscreen even with or slightly above the top of my head, as= John Hofmann=99s N502R has it in the picture below:> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > > The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=E2=9D are talle= r, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or sunglasses, as shown below:> > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > =C2=B6=88=91=C3=B5~=C3=A2=C3=8C=89=A4,=EF=AC=81=C5=B8 %=C2=A2=CE=A94=9DM4}=C3=9F=1Er=C3=A3=C2=B4=C3=A2=C3=8D=C3=81{=07(=88=AB=88=8F=C3=BB=89-8^>'=89-zzh=C3=AE=88=8F=C2=A8=C2=A5I=C3=B6=C3=A4Qh=C3=86=C3=88=C3=AE=C2=B1=C3=8Eax=88=86=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AC=9A=89=A4=94^j=82=AC=C2=B4z=88=9AZ=C3(=1A=88=82=C3=A4=C3=8C=C2=B0=88=AB=C3=8B=C2=AC=C2=AB=89-=C3'=C3=88=C3=B6=C3=BC"=9A=89=A4=82=AC=89-=C3=A4X=89-=C3=A2=C3=8E,=CF=C2=BBZ=88=9E=88=8F=C2=A8=C2=B5I=CB=87J=C3=8A=C3=8Fr=88=8F=C2=A9=88=82*'=02=88=91!=C3=A4=CB=9C=C3=ADy=84=A2=B9=C3=91:0=C3=BBZ=1Aw=88=9E=81=84=C2=BB=1A=C3=8B=C2=AC=C2=AB=C3=87=C3'=C2=B4E=01=03=C2=B7=C2=A2=81=84,=C3'=84=A2=EF=AC=81jwf=CF=C2=BBf=CF=C2=BBf=C2=A2=88=91=C3=B6=C3=9C=88=91=C3=BC=C3=9C=82=ACi=CB=87=C2=B80=C2=ACf=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AB(=C3=B5=C3=9BZ=C3(=1A=88=82=C3=A4=C5=93=C3=A2=C3=8E^=C3=BB=C3=B6%.+-=C3=9C=82=ACi=CB=87=C2=B80=C2=ACf=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AB(=C3=B5=C3=9BZ=C3(=1A=88=82=C3=A4=C5=93=C3=A2=C3=8E^=C3=BB=C3=B6%.+-=CB=9D=C2=A3M=13=C3=A7 $=C3=B1=10=11NEC=12I=C2=A9=C3=BB=C3=87=88=91=C3=B6=C2=B5 '=C2=B5=C3=88=C3=8Cj[(j=CB=86=C2=A2=C3=AF=C2=B6=C3=82z=C2=AF=C3=B6=88=82=17=C3=B1y=C2=B1h=C3=86=C3=88=C2=A8j=1A=EF=AC=81~=1Bm=C3=9F=CB=87=EF=AC=82=C2=A2=C2=C2=B6=89=A4f=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AB(=C3=B6=1Bm=C3=9F=CB=87=EF=AC=82=C2=A2=C2=C2=B6=89=A4f=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AB(=C3=B5=CB=86=C3=A3=C3=A4=C3B=C2=A2{k=C3=A2=C2=89-=C3=A4=C3=A2=C3=B7y=C2=A5=C2=A2=C2=B5=B0=C2=B7jy2=C2=A2=C3=81=C3=8B=C3=98*.=C3=86=07=C3=9Fz=88=AB.=89=A4=C3=C2=A9=C2=B6=C3=A4=C3=8C1=C2=B4m=0E=88=82=A2=C3=AF=9A=9A=89=A4=93=1D=C3=B6)=81=84=C3=9C=88=91=C3=BC=C3=9C=82=ACi=CB=87=C2=B80=C2=ACf=89-=C3=86=C3=A2=9Ar=C2=AB(=C3=B5=CB=9C(=C3=BB=81=84=9An=C3=8Eb=C2=A2xm=88=82=C3=BC=CB=87=88=9A=0C&j=81=84=C3=8B=C3=BB',r=C3=A2=C3=B8r=C3=A2=C3=8C=C3=86&=C3=93=88=82*'=CB=9D=C3=98=82=AC=CB=9D=CB=99'=88=91=CB=99k{=CB=86=C3=8Bw/=C2=B7=88=82i________________________________________________________________________________
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>> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen sizing>> I raised the height of my windscreens a= bout 3" on N8031 after flying with>> the originals somewhere between my nose a= nd forehead for the first 20+>> hours. The tops are about 18" above the top lo= ngeron.>> However, I've been getting some low f= requency, high amplitude (loud!)>> harmonic buffeting in my ears and I'm almos= t convinced it's because the>> front windscreen is TOO high, pushing so much a= ir up which bounces off the>> center section and back into the rear 'pit. &nbs= p;I'd also like to create>> a higher rake to the front windscreen, like on all= the biplanes of the>> '20's and '30's, but I'm not sure I'll be able to accom= plish that.>> >> -->> Dan Yocum>> yocum137(at)gmail.com>> "I fly because it relea= ses my mind from the tyranny of petty things.">> On Aug 29= , 2011, at 6:20 PM, "Jack Phillips" >> wrote:>> >> Ken,>> >> >> >> The top of my windscreen is above my ey= es, but below the top of my head,>> as shown below:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I had it to do over again, I would m= ake the top of the windscreen even>> with or slightly above the top of my head, as= John Hofmann=99s N502R>> has it in the picture below:>> >> >> >> Jack Phillips>> >> NX899JP>> >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia>> >> >> >> The windshields on John Hofmann=99s =9C502 Rocket=9D are>> talle= r, and you can comfortably fly behind them with no goggles or>> sunglasses, as shown below:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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