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Pietenpol-List: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19

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Original Posted By: "Ray Krause"
Pieters=3BWe are trying to wrap up the "all Piet" issue of Contact! Magazine in time for Brodhead and AirVenture this year=85 the 85th anniversary of the Air Camper design. Someone had come up with a listing of all the different types of engines that have been used on this airplane and had posted it to the list=2C but I can't seem to find it. If someone could please either re-post it here or email it to me off-list=2C I would appreciate it.Thanks=2C and here's to more low 'n' slow flying this summer!Oscar ZunigaMedford=2C ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerMach 0.12 cruise ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19
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Re: Pietenpol-List: engine listing

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Original Posted By: John Fay
i would like to invite everyone to our Old Time Fly In in Colusa (O08) on July19, 2014. We usually have about 100 aircraft of all vintages and makes. free breakfastto all who fly in, lots of raffle prizes. Fuel will be sold AT COST!We have lots of home builts ,there were three Pietenpols last year. Come earlyand leave before it gets hot! If you can get here by 7-7:30, I will arrangeto have all the Piets park together. Prizes for the best, oldest and furthestaway.Come and be my guest!Ray KrauseSkyScout about ready to cover...[/b]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 22:28:16 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine listing
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19

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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Rope a spot off for me!GarySent from my iPhone> On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:30 PM, "Ray Krause" wrote:> > > i would like to invite everyone to our Old Time Fly In in Colusa (O08) on July19, 2014. We usually have about 100 aircraft of all vintages and makes. freebreakfast to all who fly in, lots of raffle prizes. Fuel will be sold AT COST!> > We have lots of home builts ,there were three Pietenpols last year. Come earlyand leave before it gets hot! If you can get here by 7-7:30, I will arrangeto have all the Piets park together. Prizes for the best, oldest and furthestaway.> > Come and be my guest!> > Ray Krause> SkyScout about ready to cover...[/b]> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 513#425513> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: engine listing

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Great, Gary! If it is not too hot, please be my guest during the fly in. but youwill probably want to leave before it gets too hot. Will love to see you.RaySent from my iPad> On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:51 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > > Rope a spot off for me!> > Gary> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:30 PM, "Ray Krause" wrote:>> >> >> i would like to invite everyone to our Old Time Fly In in Colusa (O08) on July19, 2014. We usually have about 100 aircraft of all vintages and makes. freebreakfast to all who fly in, lots of raffle prizes. Fuel will be sold AT COST!>> >> We have lots of home builts ,there were three Pietenpols last year. Come earlyand leave before it gets hot! If you can get here by 7-7:30, I will arrangeto have all the Piets park together. Prizes for the best, oldest and furthestaway.>> >> Come and be my guest!>> >> Ray Krause>> SkyScout about ready to cover...[/b]>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 513#425513> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 05:54:17 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: engine listing
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19

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Now see, this would have been an event that I could do pretty easily. About 4flight hours from Medford, so one intermediate stop. However, we will be on ourway back from a dive trip in Honduras that day, with an overnight in Houstonon the 19th. Maybe next time...--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Too far for me. Sorry guys.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19

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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ok. Have a great trip.RaySent from my iPad> On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:36 AM, "taildrags" wrote:> > > Now see, this would have been an event that I could do pretty easily. About4 flight hours from Medford, so one intermediate stop. However, we will be onour way back from a dive trip in Honduras that day, with an overnight in Houstonon the 19th. Maybe next time...> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 553#425553> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coulda, Ca Old Time Fly In..July 19

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Original Posted By: Bill
Ok, see you some other time.RaySent from my iPad> On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:42 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Too far for me. Sorry guys.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 555#425555> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:21:00 -0400
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: "Bill"
BillI am in the process of building a Sky Scout from the Flying Glider plans, I'm not aware of any others out there except Pietenpol family ones which are the same. Also build with wood it's stronger.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine listing

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I hope to add the willys jeep 134 L to that list. Working on that project now.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:23:59 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: engine listing
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Bill,There have been definite improvements over the years from the Flyer and Gliderplans of 1932. As an example, the center section is built completely different.No body would joins the spars in the way it is shown in the 1932 plans. AC 4313is a much better reference for the scarfing of joints. The lift strut attachpoints, I believe, are a good bit different as well.You will be much happier if you do not skimp, and go ahead and purchase the plansfrom the Pietenpol website. In addition to the plans, you get the steel tubeplans, and, most importantly, the weight and balance data that Bernard Pietenpoladded to the later plans.Also, and I wasn't sure from your post, are you building an Aircamper or a SkyScout? There are not any steel tube fuselage plans for the Sky Scout, that I knowof. If I am wrong on that point, someone please chime in-Finally, I have attached a link to an article written by William Wynne on fuselageconstruction. Not to get in a huge "urinating competition", but Dick's commentthat wood fuselages are 'stronger' than steel tube fuselages is simply notcorrect, at least from a crash survivability and risk management standpoint.Are wood fuselages strong? Absolutely. Are they crash survivable for the pilot?Absolutely. Just ask Kevin Purtee. There are plenty of them flying, and mostPietenpol fuselages are made of wood. However, I had to point out Dick's statementas his opinion, not fact. Read William's writing and form your own opinion.http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/17/steel- ... ccidents/I wish you the best as you make your plans.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.net
I don't think you need a 1/4" bolt for a jury strut and I think 3/16" should be enough. The bigger issue is the internal support if you use a pass thru bolt to prevent flattening the strut. One or two strong blind rivets on one side may be better. The critical connections are the strut ends. I am working on designing them. The limiting issue with them seems to be the crushing of the strut material by the thru bolts as they are in shear. To say it another way=2C the elongation of the strut holes under maximum load. If anyone has done this analysis I would like to hear about it. Date: Fri=2C 27 Jun 2014 07:24:49 -0700
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: Brian Kenney
I stressed over this as well. I decided that as long as you put a piece of aluminuminside where the hole is, so you can safely tighten the bolt and not crushthe tube, it would be alright. This piece inside, now gives a place for water to set that may get in the tops,which didn't seem like a good idea and led me in favor of a smaller bushing ratherthan the block. Lastly, not sure if the strut material can be welded, if so, that seemed like agood idea. Since I was reusing jury struts, the process of precisely locating that hole becameproblematic, so I went with the straps anyway...Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
TerryYou bit, so bring a case of beer to Brodhead and I will too.and I will bring a concrete block also. We will put one end of the wood piece and steel piece on the block and the other end on the ground then we will stand on them and see what happens.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: Hans van der Voort
Dick,My comments to Bill were only meant to point out that your comments were opinion,not fact. My comments below are opinion, as well, so anybody reading it, pleasetake it as such. I am not a structural engineer (and I don't think that Dickis either), nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night-Wood is strong, no doubt. Steel is as well. But when wood meets its limit it breaksin a way that steel does not. Steel bends and gives prior to ultimate failure.There is much less elasticity in wood than steel. All of those are layman'sterms and observation, certainly not professional terms. However, that iswhy, as William Wynne noted, dragsters and cropdusters are made out of steel,not wood. Survivability in a crash.My only point, Dick, is that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement that woodis stronger than steel. I don't know Bill's background. He may be a 10,000hour ATP, or a newly-minted Sport Pilot, an experienced builder, or a new guy.He needs to decide for himself what he wants to build. I am just pointing outthe difference between opinion and fact.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:26:16 -0700
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans

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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
A quick experiment shows that a plane built using the steel tube plans can flyso I suspect one made from the Flying and Glider would fly too, but like Dicksaid, wood is stronger....so is steel.--------Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans
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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Curt,I see that your weight and balance is correct! ;-)--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment

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Original Posted By: "tools"
Okay, let's see a show of hands. Who's planning on flying their Pietenpolto Brodhead?I'm planning on it unless the WX disallows it.D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment
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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Strut ends for the Carlsons.Carlson does sell 1x1 6061 aluminum to use as inserts just for this. On the smallstruts, the flat area is 3/4, so you have to bevel the edges just t tad onthe 1x1 stock.It seems you have to buy a lot though... and I did... therefore...I'd be happy to whittle down my 6' length if anyone needs less than 6 feet (orwhatever the minimum was).On the lower ends, I made a bridal type fitting that fit over the outside. Fita large custom nut on the end and overlapped the bridal so I could fit 2 AN4's(or 5's, can't remember... it's not the strength I'm looking for, rather thediameter of the bolt to make the hole harder to elongate) spaced about 1 1/2apart. Those with the insert allows me to squeeze tight enough that I don't thinkthere's any shear on the bolts because of the friction between the strutand the bridal part. Probably over done, the straps that make the bridal are1/8 4130. On the other lower ends, I just made a fixed length fitting out of two 1/8 strap4130 pieces. On the uppers, I used the short swiveling part out of the old steel struts. Ifit this into the insert, and continued the length of the insert further intothe strut to spread the load. I think it's around 6 or 8" long overall. It allowsthe struts to align better, and is a neat installation. Need to get some pics. I made all the fittings in a day, they weren't very laborintensive or difficult at all.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead?

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Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Hey John,Have the newsletters gone out? I've been away and didn't see it in the mailpile when I returned and was wondering.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:47:01 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Who's flying to Brodhead?
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tenpol-List: Aluminum Wing Strut/Jury Strut Attachment=0A>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I have the smaller aluminum wing struts from Carlson Aircraft, (1.00" X 2.44") and will also be using their jury struts. My questions are on the use of a single hole in each wing strut to use a 1/4" eyebolt to secure the jurys. Will this hole compromise the strength of the strut? Would I be better off using straps to secure the jurys? =0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>Thanks is advance! =0A>=0A>=0A>If God is your co-pilot...switch seats. =0A>Mike Perez =0A>Karetaker Aero =0A>STILL Building... =0A> =0A>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com/ ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A>" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ========== ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Air Camper plans
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