Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Builder IntroductionHello! Only a handful of the people on this list know of me, and that I own an800 acre weasel ranch in North Dakota. I am building a Pietenpol because itwill greatly enhance the annual population census of the herd, and greatly improveour fall roundup and herding activities. These are of course free rangeweasels and they move quite a bit during the year. I currently have to rent aC-172 and its a bit too fast for this type of work. Completing the Piet willbe HUGE!We were blessed this year with an excellent crop of new baby weasels, and the estimateof the total number in my heard is between 2,000 and 2,500 weasels. Thisis very good news because our latest product a replacement for traditionalpetroleum based grease has been approved by the American Council on LubricantsUsage (ACLU) and of course the Chapter 2899 of the North Dakota Regional AnimalCivil Liberties Union (NDRACLU) .The only other product approved for sale by the North Dakota Weasel Growers Association(NDWGA) has been the more traditional weasel butter, and weasel meat.The new lubricants group at the ranch has worked very hard to get this new productapproved and available for sale. I have already talked to the Green Tractorcompany about switching over to our environmentally responsible productand things are looking good for 2015 sales.Things have not always gone this well. A few years ago the NDWGA hired a big advertisingagency to come up with a campaign to promote weasel butter and weaselmeat. So we paid $22,000 and before we could get the nationwide campaign launched,our catch-phrase was stolen by the Beef industry. Thats right folks,our new slogan Weasel, its whats for Dinner was stolen and became Beef, its whatsfor Dinner. The NDWGA is pretty sure who sold us out to the cattle ranchersbut cant prove it yet. Luckily our 2013 NDWGA Weasel Pageant Queen, SallyOlsson, from Dooley North Dakota, came up with Weasel, the other Yellow meatand we voted unanimously to adopt that as our industry slogan during the 2013NDWGA convention. Im glad this is all behind us.Thats not the only bit of trouble Ive had with the operation. Every once in a while,one of the young males tries to get the pot stirred and get the others weaselsto strike for better conditions. I always quell the herd by turning theleader into a gelding. Each time this happens we are able to market test weaselfries or what I like to call North Dakota Oysters.Well enough of all this talk about me and my ranch, as I must be off now. Sinceyou know a little more about me, I wont be so timid to introduce myself to youall you good people at Brodhead next year. If you are going to Barnwell inNovember I will see you there.By now.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Builder Introduction
Re: Pietenpol-List: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: airlion2(at)gmail.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJ8gMykbC4Piet Group,Please excuse the diversion from the normal Pietenpol topics but I thought that many of you would enjoy this moving videoof Jimmy Doolitte's Toyko Raider co-pilot Dick Cole (who is now 98 years old) riding along and flying into Oshkosh in a B-25.Incredible living history at the controls of a B-25. Amazing.Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builder Introduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJ8gMykbC4Piet Group,Please excuse the diversion from the normal Pietenpol topics but I thought that many of you would enjoy this moving videoof Jimmy Doolitte's Toyko Raider co-pilot Dick Cole (who is now 98 years old) riding along and flying into Oshkosh in a B-25.Incredible living history at the controls of a B-25. Amazing.Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Builder Introduction
Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Mike C.=2C I greatly value your opinions as one who has built and been flying a Piet for many years. And this issue is no exception. I appreciate that I am likely to run out of performance margin before I run out of structural margin. Yet I have a need to know exactly what that structural margin really is.My plans say to use a 1080 lb gross weight limit. Yet others say I can add 200 - 300 lb more 'no problem.' 'We have been doing it for years.' On a nice smooth day=2C for a few sightseeing circuits around the pattern=2C this may be no problem.When completed and flying=2C my plane will be based at the western edge of the Smoky Mountains. Not unusual here to have mechanical turbulence near the mountains. While I won't deliberately fly into known 'heavy' air=2C I need to do the arithmetic to know what my margins really are if I run up my max gross weight.I appreciate all you do for this group.Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Mike C.=2C I greatly value your opinions as one who has built and been flying a Piet for many years. And this issue is no exception. I appreciate that I am likely to run out of performance margin before I run out of structural margin. Yet I have a need to know exactly what that structural margin really is.My plans say to use a 1080 lb gross weight limit. Yet others say I can add 200 - 300 lb more 'no problem.' 'We have been doing it for years.' On a nice smooth day=2C for a few sightseeing circuits around the pattern=2C this may be no problem.When completed and flying=2C my plane will be based at the western edge of the Smoky Mountains. Not unusual here to have mechanical turbulence near the mountains. While I won't deliberately fly into known 'heavy' air=2C I need to do the arithmetic to know what my margins really are if I run up my max gross weight.I appreciate all you do for this group.Lorenzo ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Somebody has WAAAY too much time on their hands and access to mind altering pharmaceuticals.Bob, how far is it from Ohio to Colorado....Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Somebody has WAAAY too much time on their hands and access to mind altering pharmaceuticals.Bob, how far is it from Ohio to Colorado....Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
OK, this will be my last post on the subject. If anyone is interested in thissubject, email me privately at taildrags(at)hotmail.com . All posts to the listwill be ignored.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:57:02 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
OK, this will be my last post on the subject. If anyone is interested in thissubject, email me privately at taildrags(at)hotmail.com . All posts to the listwill be ignored.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 18:57:02 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
I was interested in this thread.I'm sorry to see it end.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I was interested in this thread.I'm sorry to see it end.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By:> pjb@ornithopter-pilot.com
It's not over=2C 'til it's over. I'll continue to add stuff as I am able. I need to know.Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
It's not over=2C 'til it's over. I'll continue to add stuff as I am able. I need to know.Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Actually, Oscar, the section moduls is a function of the CUBE of the sparheight, so doubling the height makes it 8 times strongerJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Actually, Oscar, the section moduls is a function of the CUBE of the sparheight, so doubling the height makes it 8 times strongerJack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Jack, I'm gonna kill you!;)))GeneOn Jul 31, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> Actually, Oscar, the section moduls is a function of the CUBE of the spar height, so doubling the height makes it 8 times stronger> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia>
Jack, I'm gonna kill you!;)))GeneOn Jul 31, 2014, at 8:58 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote:> Actually, Oscar, the section moduls is a function of the CUBE of the spar height, so doubling the height makes it 8 times stronger> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia>
Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Hi Oscar,I am interested in the spar analysis thread and I encourage you to bring it backonto the list. It would be an odd thing if a list about an experimental airplanedesign discouraged discussion about wing spars.JeffJeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineSent from an iPad with a spelling problem________________________________This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Hi Oscar,I am interested in the spar analysis thread and I encourage you to bring it backonto the list. It would be an odd thing if a list about an experimental airplanedesign discouraged discussion about wing spars.JeffJeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineSent from an iPad with a spelling problem________________________________This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Mr. Hyde,The same reason that guys like to do math and tweak an 80 year old design and talkabout it is the same reason that guys soup up their engines on old cars, andthe same reason guys pimp their rides and the same reason guys try and tweakthe last little bit of performance out of their airplane at the Reno air races.Because, to them, it is FUN.There is this thing on your keyboard called a delete key. If you don't like whatOscar or anyone else writes about any area of building on this website, thensimply use it, and you will never have to worry about that discussion again.If you don't like it, then just don't read it, but stop commenting on somethingof which they have interest, but you don't.That is why I have about decided to take my own advice and do that with your posts.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Mr. Hyde,The same reason that guys like to do math and tweak an 80 year old design and talkabout it is the same reason that guys soup up their engines on old cars, andthe same reason guys pimp their rides and the same reason guys try and tweakthe last little bit of performance out of their airplane at the Reno air races.Because, to them, it is FUN.There is this thing on your keyboard called a delete key. If you don't like whatOscar or anyone else writes about any area of building on this website, thensimply use it, and you will never have to worry about that discussion again.If you don't like it, then just don't read it, but stop commenting on somethingof which they have interest, but you don't.That is why I have about decided to take my own advice and do that with your posts.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
Actually, the number does matter... sort of.Should you be involved in an incident, involving the FAA and an investigation,and they find you are above the weight rating selected for your plane, you'regonna get dinged.What's the consequence of the "ding", who knows? May not matter to you at all.Probably would matter to me as I'm a professional pilot.In my thinking, one would be better to select a higher than average limit, so youcan get the most out of your plane legally.THEN you can apply good judgment based on specific conditions.I realize this applies more to Mike's perspective, than Terry's, it's just thatit wasn't mentioned at all (as far as I can tell, don't get all the posts) andthought I'd throw it out there.At the EAA we have a 1927 Swallow. The weight rating given to that plane meanswe can only take a 180lb or less passenger in it (now that it has a bigger heaviermotor, tail wheel, seat belts, radio... etc). The plane is PERFECTLY capable of a LOT more, but since it's in commercial operation,we can't afford to take chances, and therefore really have a useless plane.The paperwork to get that rating changed, is WAAAY too hard. Of course, to apply this to Terry's perspective, it's easy. Load the plane downuntil failure, and use the appropriate percentage of that! Then build a newone EXACTLY like it. As you can see, the number really doesn't mean anythingunless that is done. The 1080 lb number is probably reasonable though. Food for thought.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Actually, the number does matter... sort of.Should you be involved in an incident, involving the FAA and an investigation,and they find you are above the weight rating selected for your plane, you'regonna get dinged.What's the consequence of the "ding", who knows? May not matter to you at all.Probably would matter to me as I'm a professional pilot.In my thinking, one would be better to select a higher than average limit, so youcan get the most out of your plane legally.THEN you can apply good judgment based on specific conditions.I realize this applies more to Mike's perspective, than Terry's, it's just thatit wasn't mentioned at all (as far as I can tell, don't get all the posts) andthought I'd throw it out there.At the EAA we have a 1927 Swallow. The weight rating given to that plane meanswe can only take a 180lb or less passenger in it (now that it has a bigger heaviermotor, tail wheel, seat belts, radio... etc). The plane is PERFECTLY capable of a LOT more, but since it's in commercial operation,we can't afford to take chances, and therefore really have a useless plane.The paperwork to get that rating changed, is WAAAY too hard. Of course, to apply this to Terry's perspective, it's easy. Load the plane downuntil failure, and use the appropriate percentage of that! Then build a newone EXACTLY like it. As you can see, the number really doesn't mean anythingunless that is done. The 1080 lb number is probably reasonable though. Food for thought.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
I thought the forum could use a little levity. I hope I was successful.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I thought the forum could use a little levity. I hope I was successful.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
What a GREAT report to the list Jim and for every step of progress forward you make like you have recently it gives you motivation to get the next thing doneon your to-do list. Fantastic motivation you've given yourself and others who are reading of your progress who need to get back out in the shop andknock a few things off of their to-do list this weekend!Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFAD6B.51E3C020]Jim Markle and his brother Josh at Medina Airport, Medina, Ohio a couple of years ago________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
What a GREAT report to the list Jim and for every step of progress forward you make like you have recently it gives you motivation to get the next thing doneon your to-do list. Fantastic motivation you've given yourself and others who are reading of your progress who need to get back out in the shop andknock a few things off of their to-do list this weekend!Mike C.[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFAD6B.51E3C020]Jim Markle and his brother Josh at Medina Airport, Medina, Ohio a couple of years ago________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Builder Introduction
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Bob,Nicely done! Will you be carrying fat weasel ale onboard?--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fat_ ... __________
Bob,Nicely done! Will you be carrying fat weasel ale onboard?--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fat_ ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Build Milestones!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
You're not far from fabric and paint...every little step matters all the more.I'm just glad to see that you're moving along...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
You're not far from fabric and paint...every little step matters all the more.I'm just glad to see that you're moving along...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Jim Markle's progress!
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim is a serial DNA depositor. Gary BootheNX308MB
Jim is a serial DNA depositor. Gary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis
Original Posted By: "pjb"
Jim,Don't you just love it when a plan (plane in your case) comes together? Nice work.Can't wait to see the rest of the plane. Keep up the good work,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis
Jim,Don't you just love it when a plan (plane in your case) comes together? Nice work.Can't wait to see the rest of the plane. Keep up the good work,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar analysis
Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
I agree with Jeff.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
I agree with Jeff.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Milestones!
Original Posted By: Greg Bacon
Congratulations Jim!It looks great!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:01:38 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Milestones!
Congratulations Jim!It looks great!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 09:01:38 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Milestones!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Build Milestones!
Original Posted By: Doug
Very nice.... helps inspire us all...!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Very nice.... helps inspire us all...!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I was interested in this thread.> I'm sorry to see it end.>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I was interested in this thread.> I'm sorry to see it end.>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
> > Pietenpol-List: Re: spar strength
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > I was interested in this thread.> > I'm sorry to see it end.> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://forums.matronics.com> http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > > > > I was interested in this thread.> > I'm sorry to see it end.> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://forums.matronics.com> http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________