Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Gary,I look at things a bit differently than you. I would want "newbies" to know theycan get as deep as they want, or as simple as they desire. Either way is accepted.Newbies come in all sizes and shapes with all variety of experience. Itry not to put all builders in any one single mold.I know when I started on my ribs I went through 3 iterations of soaking and steamingmethods til I ended upwith my high tech walmart teapot with a piece of PVCpipe glued to the mouth - about $6.00 in materials. It worked great and wasdead simple. I stuck a picture in a previous post so anyone including newbiescan see a simple system that worked. However the pictures is in a thread discussingwood fiber in tension as well as compression, etc etc. I got into what I call then zen of the rib. Focusing on the rib took my mind offall of the day's crap, and I really enjoyed it. I was almost sorry when I finishedthe last one. I am just curious - if ribs are so tedious, why are you building a biplane now?That is like a guy who hates rivets deciding to build an RV.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:38:22 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
The irony of you "not getting it" was that I figured you did... and thought fora moment you were being ironic... but then thought, well, I'm not THAT good ofa writer, had no pics... maybe it was tough to visualize.So when you realized my first thought, I thought REALLY?! arg! Should alwaysgo with first instincts.Either way, not my gig here, Lorenzo knows as much about it as I do, but amplificationis always good. Don't care if some think it's wordy or repetitive, ifANYONE gets ANYTHING out of it, worthwhile.Personally, I LOVE things like making wing ribs. A relief from ADD in a way. Love reruns on TV too... but that's just me. Now, breaking even 5 of 30 capstrips, not having any idea why, THAT is tedium inmy book. I HATE pushing the "I believe" button. One of the reasons I likeWW's posts so much, VERY well founded reasoning. There's always something toagree (or not) with. The "has worked for years" alone reasoning just doesn'tsit well. It's great to know, certainly a part of my reasoning, but want to knowWHY it's worked for years. Something may have changed recently... ya know?!You asked for it, not trying to kidnap the post, but here's one thing I built.It's a replica. When the Navy movers carried my (soon to be) first born's mother'schair, off the truck in about 5 pieces, and she's 8 1/2 months pregnant(I swear I saw her head spin around about 5 times ala The Exorcist)... I flewinto action... I'll build ya a new one!!!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/97e8 ... __________
The irony of you "not getting it" was that I figured you did... and thought fora moment you were being ironic... but then thought, well, I'm not THAT good ofa writer, had no pics... maybe it was tough to visualize.So when you realized my first thought, I thought REALLY?! arg! Should alwaysgo with first instincts.Either way, not my gig here, Lorenzo knows as much about it as I do, but amplificationis always good. Don't care if some think it's wordy or repetitive, ifANYONE gets ANYTHING out of it, worthwhile.Personally, I LOVE things like making wing ribs. A relief from ADD in a way. Love reruns on TV too... but that's just me. Now, breaking even 5 of 30 capstrips, not having any idea why, THAT is tedium inmy book. I HATE pushing the "I believe" button. One of the reasons I likeWW's posts so much, VERY well founded reasoning. There's always something toagree (or not) with. The "has worked for years" alone reasoning just doesn'tsit well. It's great to know, certainly a part of my reasoning, but want to knowWHY it's worked for years. Something may have changed recently... ya know?!You asked for it, not trying to kidnap the post, but here's one thing I built.It's a replica. When the Navy movers carried my (soon to be) first born's mother'schair, off the truck in about 5 pieces, and she's 8 1/2 months pregnant(I swear I saw her head spin around about 5 times ala The Exorcist)... I flewinto action... I'll build ya a new one!!!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/97e8 ... __________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
> gs.com>> > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
> gs.com>> > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia ________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
> gs.com>> > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> ________________________________________________________________________________
> gs.com>> > Nice write-up=2C Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> ________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
> > > Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > > Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to> teach a rib-building class.> ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIt typically takes between 1800 and 2500=0Ahours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine=2C I kept a detailed=0Alog and put a total of 2=2C465 hours into the build. I was working at a=0Afull time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week=0Aon the Pietenpol ' a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday=2C and=0Athen another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace=2C it=0Atakes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years=2C but for a 2 year stretch while=0AI was designing and building my house=2C I did no work at all on the airplane) to=0Abuild one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week)=2C=0Abuilding it in a year or so is a possibility.=0A=0A =0A=0ADon=92t be in a big hurry to finish=0Ait. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes=2C=0Atake time to =93Stop and smell the Sawdust=94.=0A=0A =0A=0AJack Phillips=0A=0ANX899JP=0A=0ASmith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AIt typically takes between 1800 and 2500=0Ahours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine=2C I kept a detailed=0Alog and put a total of 2=2C465 hours into the build. I was working at a=0Afull time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week=0Aon the Pietenpol ' a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday=2C and=0Athen another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace=2C it=0Atakes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years=2C but for a 2 year stretch while=0AI was designing and building my house=2C I did no work at all on the airplane) to=0Abuild one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week)=2C=0Abuilding it in a year or so is a possibility.=0A=0A =0A=0ADon=92t be in a big hurry to finish=0Ait. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes=2C=0Atake time to =93Stop and smell the Sawdust=94.=0A=0A =0A=0AJack Phillips=0A=0ANX899JP=0A=0ASmith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: Jack
jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>=0A> =0A> Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to=0A> teach a rib-b===============================================================================================================================================================================================================0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
jack(at)bedfordlandings.com>=0A> =0A> Nice write-up, Lorenzo. You might find yourself in demand at Brodhead to=0A> teach a rib-b===============================================================================================================================================================================================================0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Wing Ribs
Pietenpol-List: Carb choice for ford
Original Posted By: "aviken"
> > It typically takes between 1800 and 2500 hours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine, I kept a detailed log and put a total of 2,465 hours into the build. I was working at a full time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week on the Pietenpol =93 a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday, and then another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace, it takes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years, but for a 2 year stretch while I was designing and building my house, I did no work at all on the airplane) to build one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week), building it in a year or so is a possibility.> > > > Don=99t be in a big hurry to finish it. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes, take time to =9CStop and smell the Sawdust=9D.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb choice for ford
> > It typically takes between 1800 and 2500 hours of work to build a Pietenpol. When I built mine, I kept a detailed log and put a total of 2,465 hours into the build. I was working at a full time job and found that I could realistically put in about 10 hours a week on the Pietenpol =93 a couple hours a night Monday through Thursday, and then another couple hours sometime during the weekend. At such a pace, it takes between 3 and 7 years (it took me 8 years, but for a 2 year stretch while I was designing and building my house, I did no work at all on the airplane) to build one. If you can work full time on the airplane (40+ hours a week), building it in a year or so is a possibility.> > > > Don=99t be in a big hurry to finish it. The building process is highly enjoyable. As the saying goes, take time to =9CStop and smell the Sawdust=9D.> > > > Jack Phillips> > NX899JP> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carb choice for ford
Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb choice for ford
Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > > Do not remember the Piet rib having a "Sever Curve" ... ? All my top cap strips=2C 1/4" x 1/2" stika spruce=2C were steamed on a jig that over curved the radii to allow for flex back giving them the correct curvature> > Never had one brake as you posted in your pictures. It also looks like you have more of a radius then the Piet rib in the drawings ?> > I have also tried "Dry Heat" does not work without the moisture from the water in the steam to help soften the wood fibers making the wood flexable.> > BTW=2C I have built Piper J-3 ribs from 1/4" x 1/4" stika spruce without steaming them=2C no issue with any braking.> > Curious issues you are having.> > WF2> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb choice for ford
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > > Do not remember the Piet rib having a "Sever Curve" ... ? All my top cap strips=2C 1/4" x 1/2" stika spruce=2C were steamed on a jig that over curved the radii to allow for flex back giving them the correct curvature> > Never had one brake as you posted in your pictures. It also looks like you have more of a radius then the Piet rib in the drawings ?> > I have also tried "Dry Heat" does not work without the moisture from the water in the steam to help soften the wood fibers making the wood flexable.> > BTW=2C I have built Piper J-3 ribs from 1/4" x 1/4" stika spruce without steaming them=2C no issue with any braking.> > Curious issues you are having.> > WF2> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Carb choice for ford
Pietenpol-List: tillotson carb
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
You=92re right=2C the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They=92re not used much these days on either. I am not personally familiar with the carb=2C but would definitely find a way to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me=2C if it bothers you now? It=92ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=92 with someone=92s kid in the front seat. I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. Good luck on this fascinating project!Douwe=0A=0A=0A=0A============0A============0A============0A============0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
You=92re right=2C the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They=92re not used much these days on either. I am not personally familiar with the carb=2C but would definitely find a way to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me=2C if it bothers you now? It=92ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=92 with someone=92s kid in the front seat. I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. Good luck on this fascinating project!Douwe=0A=0A=0A=0A============0A============0A============0A============0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Kits
Original Posted By: "biplan53"
> > You=99re right, the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They=99re not used much these days on either. > > > > I am not personally familiar with the carb, but would definitely find a way to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me, if it bothers you now? It=99ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=99 with someone=99s kid in the front seat.> > > > I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. > > > > Good luck on this fascinating project!> > > Douwe> > > > ==========> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Kits
> > You=99re right, the Tillotsen was frequently used in the earlier days on both Fords and corvairs. They=99re not used much these days on either. > > > > I am not personally familiar with the carb, but would definitely find a way to replace the flimsy arm if it bothers you. believe me, if it bothers you now? It=99ll REALLY bother you on climbout over trees at 400=99 with someone=99s kid in the front seat.> > > > I had a lot of luck with a weber on my ford installation. Most guys successfully flying fords these days seem to be using a ford carb. > > > > Good luck on this fascinating project!> > > Douwe> > > > ==========> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing Kits
Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
Original Posted By: "tools"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to the outside edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of using 1/2" pallet banding=2C and in re-reading tools description of old furniture bending straps=2C it sounds exactly the same...doggonit=2C thought I had came up with something for a minute! Anyway=2C I guess the downside is=2C you would have to cut your rib exactly to size so compression would begin immediately as bend is started=2C but hey=2C these ribs are chocked full of precise cuts anyways-what's one more! ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I did a quick sketch of a bending strap to move the axis of the bend to the outside edge of rib and put all fibers in compression. I was thinking of using 1/2" pallet banding=2C and in re-reading tools description of old furniture bending straps=2C it sounds exactly the same...doggonit=2C thought I had came up with something for a minute! Anyway=2C I guess the downside is=2C you would have to cut your rib exactly to size so compression would begin immediately as bend is started=2C but hey=2C these ribs are chocked full of precise cuts anyways-what's one more! ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building Wing Ribs