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Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage

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For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see that on the plans...Sent from my iPadOn Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote:> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck> > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:01:47 -0400
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage

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Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Tools, maybe I missed it... The name?Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:46 AM, "tools" wrote:> > > I quit buying from catalogs years ago, but unfortunately still get some junksnail and email.> > Haven't gotten anything from this company in years (well, once in the last 10,just a few months ago, an 18' long sanding belt...).> > TODAY I got this junk email, about wood bending. Kinda funny in light of therecent discussions on wood bending. Probably pretty good info, albeit a bitmuch for capstrips.> > However, and more appropriately, THIS IS THE COMPANY if you need sandpaper, OFANY KIND. Simply the best I've EVER used.> > They sell a "cutoff assortment" of stuff. I got one 15 years ago and haven'tused a third yet. You just can't wear it out. Works GREAT for all sorts ofsanding blocks and such. Great EAA chapter group buy or something, divy it upamongst friends. DO NOT GET what they call "coarse" sandpaper, they're talkinglike 40 grit! You can sand jagged cement with the stuff, not much applicationfor hand use!> > You can also get custom belts for no more per inch than anything "standard".That 18' belt I got was thirty bucks. Not bad considering one about 4' longis about eight bucks from big box retailers. > > I get custom discs from them, no more than normal pricing. I have a 15" discsander (really not that odd, but not gonna find that size very many places).I have other friends who get 24 and 30 inch discs from them! > > Also custom "pieces". I got a 12 x 36" piece of wet/dry for a piece of plateglass I have to lap the bottom of planes and plane irons. Been using it for15 years. Think it was fifteen bucks or so. > > All the gadget woodworking stuff... yoyo (you're on your own!).> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 761#428761> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:31:15 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
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Jeff, yes the tips themselves can be removed and discarded, then there is a capthat goes on the tubes to save the unused contents for another time. You can buy extra tips or you can dispense the resin/hardener without a tip andmix it in the traditional way. The extra tips are a couple bucks each. I buythe 50 mL cartridges of T-88 at "Woodcraft" here in Seattle and they're about$12.50 each. T-88 is made by System Three:http://www.systemthree.com/store/pc/T-8 ... cAvQSystem Three also makes an applicator but I like the 3M one better - the reviewson-line give the 3M version five stars. However, 3M is REALLY, REALLY proudof it so it cost (brace yourself) $96. I only plan to need one for my lifetimeso what the heck....?!?!? (The System Three gun is only $25)http://www.systemthree.com/store/pc/50m ... ------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shim between horizontal stabilizer and fuselage
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Gary,Did you "tweak them up" using the guy wires?Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:> > I did not shim, but eventually tweaked the horizontal leading edges up. Keep in mind, if you shim the horizontal stab, you may have to adjust the vert stab mounting brackets, so that the rudder still aligns with the tail post.> > Gary> NX308MB> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Steven Dortch wrote:>> >> This is Steve D. When I got the plane there was THE SHIM and I questioned John and the group on if it was needed. The learned consensus was yes, it is needed. It is on the plans just as a note that says "Shim between longerons and leading edge.">> >> Chuck do a simple google search using "Matronics Pietenpol and Shim" and you can read the whole discussion. When I get home I will measure the one I have.>> >> Steve D>> >>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Charles N. Campbell wrote:>>> So, John, how much did you shim between the horiz stab and the fuselage? You gave a response but didn't say how much shim there was. Chuck>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Johnkuhfahl wrote:>>>> For Steve-- here we go again-- got that piece I gave you-- I never did see that on the plans...>>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad>>>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote:>>>> >>>>> On the tail plan sheet there is a note, "Screw stabilizer to fuselage, after covering, with 1-3/4" screws. SHIM BETWEEN LEADING EDGE AND LONGERON." The stab plan shows a piece of 3/16" plywood on the leading edge where the stab attaches to the fuselage. I already have a piece of 1/8" plywood to fill the gap between the rounded part of the leading edge and the 1/2" X 3/4" part of the leading edge. Now, should I shim the stab with a 1/16' shim to make up the 3/16" shown on the plan or is there a thicker shim in addition to the 3/16" piece of plywood. The plan doesn't cover that. OK some of you guys who are already flying, what did you do? Chuck>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> =========>>>>> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>>>> =========>>>>> cs.com>>>>> =========>>>>> matronics.com/contribution>>>>> =========>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>>> tp://forums.matronics.com>>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>>> ttp://forums.matronics.com>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Blue Skies,>> Steve D> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Gary,Seems like a great way to make a small correction.RaySent from my iPad> On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > Yesjust a bit.> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Jim, I think it looks correct enough to not change it until you try it.Here is why>From http://www.ehfc.net/tailwheel%20shimmy.pdf"HIGH WINGSCy GalleyMost tail wheels will shimmy quite easily ifthe design geometry is wrong (most are) or if thefriction device (Scott #3234, thrust plate- #4 ofdiagram) is mis-adjusted or gets grease on it.The first item, geometry is easy tocheck. The pivot should be vertical, neverslanted to the rear of the aircraft. If the pivot isslanted towards the front of the plane, it is O.K.This positioning is controlled by the tail wheelspring. You can replace the spring, or have it re-arched. The re-arching has to be done cold. Noheat!"And this toohttp://www.pierceaero.net/tws.phphttp://www.pi ... jpgHowever, I will counter with this just to cover myself if my experts are wronghttp://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/maule_tailwheel.pdfpages 14 and 17ChrisSacramento, CAWestcoastPiet.com-----Original Message-----
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>>> Gary,>> Seems like a great way to make a small correction.>> Ray>> Sent from my iPad>> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> > Yesjust a bit.> >> > Gary Boothe> > NX308MB> >
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>>>>>> Gary,>>>> Seems like a great way to make a small correction.>>>> Ray>>>> Sent from my iPad>>>> > On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:17 AM, "Gary Boothe" >> wrote:>> >>> > Yesjust a bit.>> >>> > Gary Boothe>> > NX308MB>> >
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