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Stuart,I have a Piet with the Ford Model a engine and the bolts fit just fine albeit a little tight. the trick is to compress the springs to get the bolt on, after that its a cinch. I have pictures attached. Hope this helps.Jack> On Nov 13, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Stuart Brown wrote:> > > I'm working with a friend mounting a Model A motor in his Piet. The plans call for drilling 4 of the pan bolts and installing a 5/16" bolt thru the wood engine bearer, thru the cast flange, and securing with a spring and jamb nut on the flange side. His motor does not have enough clearance between the center of the bolt and the motor casting on the left side to allow for the nut and spring. Has anyone has this problem and what was your solution? The clearance hole for the bolt has all ready been drilled. > > Thanks,> > Stu> Sent from my iPad> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
I think the radiator I'm using for test purposes is off a Toyota pickup that myson was working on. It is too wide for my taste to use permantlyRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: Robert Gow
Oscar,How about a radiator set up like this? I saw this picture at the Hiller Museuma few weeks ago.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ______Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 09:40:56 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Aw, c'mon Terry... twin radiators like that would destroy the Air Camper's sleekaerodynamics! ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Stick it in the wing. Like a Spit or Mustang.In this case, center section. Make up thespar part out of rectangular tubing like aTigermoth. :-)Nasty ClifThe one thing I am most afraid of is a new idea.Chairman Mao> Oscar,> How about a radiator set up like this? I saw this picture at the Hiller > Museum a few weeks ago.>> --------> Semper Fi,>> Terry Hand> Athens, GA>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 339#434339>>> Attachments:>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_535.jpg>>> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:33:07 -0800
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
That's actually quite innovative, Clif. I like the idea. Now if I only had awater-cooled engine...--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Thanks. Another idea, used in the past, is to solder manysmall tubes to a metal wing surface or press channels intwo plates and sandwich them together. Like those originalpre self defrost fridges. You know, the ones some idiotwould stab while trying to " defrost" the thing. SSsssss......" What's that noise!!?"In our case the top and bottom of the center sectionshould be enough for a Ford.Clif"Vegitarian" - Old indian word for bad hunter.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
I'm sure it's been done, and I'm sure there are pictures somewhere...but can youjust hang the radiator below the engine to get it out of the way, maybe evencanted a little bit?--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:19:50 -0800
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Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Is the leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer elevated 1/8" to center it onthe trailing edge of the horizontal stabilizer? I think it is, but just checking.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Bernard Pietepol tried that and rejected it. There arepics out there of one with the Ford fully enclosedwith the rad underneath. from many years ago.So it's been done. Mr B wasn't happy with it forsome reason.Clif> I'm sure it's been done, and I'm sure there are pictures somewhere...but > can you just hang the radiator below the engine to get it out of the way, > maybe even canted a little bit?>> --------> Jon Jones________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "aviken"
Hi JohnYes, the leading edge is centered on the "main beam" of the horizontal.I put my gussets on the ledges to keep everything down below the ribsand outer edges of the whole structure--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: "Pocono John"
I am not a typical purest, but I do intend to stick as close to the plans as possible.Since I am using a jeep engine instead of a ford, I have drifted a certaindistance from being a pure piet. What I tell myself to justify the enginechange is that mr Pietenpol tried several different engines as well, andseemed to approve of others experimenting with other engines. The only way I would have changed the location of the radiator is if I couldhave one built that in-circle the prop shaft and be directly between the propand engine. That, my friends would be one cool looking pietenpol.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal Stab leading edge
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks Earl.and yes, the "main beam". Lot's of snow here already and very slick;even walking is difficult. Good day to build ribs and then back to my horizontalstab in the garage.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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I have this vague memory of Lowell Frank using a Funk engine (essentially an invertedmodel B Ford?) and an underslung radiator in his at one point in the past.As purely a guess, I suspect BHP stayed with the radiator configuration for thesake of simplicity. No convoluted plumbing, simple cowl,and easy service. Ohyes, heat. He did live in Minnesota.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Here's a link to photos of BHP's Sky Scout with the underslung radiator.http://www.ktfiles.com/N12941.htmlThe same aircraft is still flying today, in Australia.http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/N12 ... 941.htmAnd, there's this post from April 20, 2006:The radiator that Bernard mounted under the engine was used only on the Model Apowered Scout...it worked really well... I restored the airplane about 40 yearsago and it is still flying today. I doubt that it could be made to work onan Air Camper, because the firewall is vertical...on the Model A Scout, the firewallslanted back, allowing the cooling air from the radiator to travel up andback to exit through louvers on the top cowl ahead of the instrument panel.Bernard didn't "reject" the radiator installation...he just didn't build anymore single place airplanes.Forrest LovleyJordan MNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Bill,I'm building a Sky Scout and following the plans closely. I don't see that thefirewall slants at all, it is verticle. The first picture on WCP shows the louversjust in front of the firewall. Not sure if these comments help.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 26, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Bill Church wrote:> > > Here's a link to photos of BHP's Sky Scout with the underslung radiator.> http://www.ktfiles.com/N12941.html> > The same aircraft is still flying today, in Australia.> http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/N12941/n12941.htm> > > And, there's this post from April 20, 2006:> > The radiator that Bernard mounted under the engine was used only on the ModelA powered Scout...it worked really well... I restored the airplane about 40 yearsago and it is still flying today. I doubt that it could be made to work onan Air Camper, because the firewall is vertical...on the Model A Scout, thefirewall slanted back, allowing the cooling air from the radiator to travel upand back to exit through louvers on the top cowl ahead of the instrument panel.Bernard didn't "reject" the radiator installation...he just didn't build anymore single place airplanes.> Forrest Lovley> Jordan MN> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 793#434793> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Ken;Some years ago there was an award-winning scale replica Curtiss "Canuck" at Oshkosh,with a Geo Metro engine (I think). Really pretty airplane. If I remembercorrectly, he duplicated the Jenny/Canuck arrangement of the radiator flaton the nose with a hole through it for the prop shaft to pass through. You cando it ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
OK... I'll send a flash stick and try to post them to west coast Piet. I post atlunch from my work computer which blocks access to all large file sites. I'llfind some way that works. Finished up the wing strut ftgs today should be assemblingthe whole airplane for the first time on Sunday (to measure the wingstrut lengths) so I'll post pictures soon - pretty exciting.......--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:41:49 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Finished rib tapes in the first wing panel yesterday. Moving the project from my workshop (200'+ from the house) to the attached garage sure makes working on it a lot more likely! Perimeter tapes today and maybe stating the paint tomorrow.Life is good.Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. We especially give thanks for those of you who served our country. Thank you.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought Iwas so clever finding this stuff that Iforgot to paste in the link!!! So here it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2d2b64bBad ClifYou cannot escape. Every day a part of you turns to shit.I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/program or what? Chuck________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Jack
No, sorry. There was an article in Kitplanes, I think.With this nasty move I'm involved in my home hasturned into a house full of box's. That mag is in one ofthem. Somewhere. The paint info is probably in thatarticle.Well, at least da plane has found a home.Clif Cliff, Do you happen to know how the wing was finished on this PIET? Just clear dope? UV protection? Thanks, Ray Krause Ready to start covering SkyScout________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
It was Jim's Piet that inspired my build.Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:23 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> > My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought I> was so clever finding this stuff that I> forgot to paste in the link!!! So here> it is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5dd2d2b64b> > Bad Clif> > You cannot escape. Every day> a part of you turns to shit.> > I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/program or what? Chuck> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
What is the cylinder that's sticking out of the top left of the cowling?=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOProfessor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineSent from an iPad with a spelling problemOn Nov 30, 2014, at 8:15 AM, "Jack" > wrote:It was Jim's Piet that inspired my build.Sent from my iPadJack TextorOn Nov 29, 2014, at 9:23 PM, "Clif Dawson" > wrote:My apologies. I'm so bad. I thought Iwas so clever finding this stuff that Iforgot to paste in the link!!! So hereit is. You'll have to scroll down a bit.http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2d2b64bBad ClifYou cannot escape. Every daya part of you turns to shit.I'm not getting the pictures that people are sending. Is it my computer/program or what? Chuck3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dcom">uildersbooks.com">lp.com">e.com">.com/contribution">3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dww.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D________________________________This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________
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Air cleaner. That's the one thing I think possiblycould have been done a little more airplaney. Clif What is the cylinder that's sticking out of the top left of the cowling?=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97=97 Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO________________________________________________________________________________
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>> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com">> >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Engines>> >> I am fascinated by electric flight. For my weekend flying an electric>> motor would be awesome. One good flight of less than an hour with a good>> reserve. quieter and when you are done you just plug the plane in and go>> home. Don't have to get gas.>> >> When I deployed I did not want my wife to have to struggle with a gas>> mower and all that comes with it. IE gas, oil, sparkplugs and so on. When>> I came home I got used to using it and I am a convert. The big problem is>> usually the batteries and you just replace them.>> >> I will eventually buy an electric car when the prices and performance are>> right. Getting a electric Chevy Suburban could be on the horizon.>> >> My understanding is that a Pietenpol is a poor candidate for electric>> power, as electric power is at this time. Too draggy. But I am willing to>> be wrong.>> >> The electric motor is much smaller and lighter but the batteries are>> heavy. Having said that, you would be able to replace a heavy Model A>> engine and the fuel tanks with batteries. The wings of a Piet would be>> perfect for Solar cells, just to extend the range.>> >> I fantasize about converting my old 1948 Vtail bonanza to electric. But it>> is most likely too heavy.>> >> Electric Blue Skies>> Steve D>> >> >> >> www.buildersbooks.com>> www.homebuilthelp.com>> www.mypilotstore.com>> >> >> >> ________________________________>> >> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of>> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged>> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution>> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly>> prohibited.>> >> If you have received this message in error, please contact>> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the>> original message (including attachments).> > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Honda Goldwing radiator
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