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Original Posted By: "pilotjkl"
Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamperproject,The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was thendonated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and traileredit home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan oninstalling an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm6'4", I will try to post some pictures.JohnSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Project pictureRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamperproject,The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was thendonated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and traileredit home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan oninstalling an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm6'4", I will try to post some pictures.JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Nice project, John! Nearly ready to go...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "CatDesigns"
Yes it is, it's set up for an 0-235 so I will need to move the wing back to compensatefor the lighter A65 engine, JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "pilotjkl"
Looks like the A-65 hanging from the rafters. But I think you would have a betterride and look way cooler with that radial out front!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:46 PM, pilotjkl wrote:> > > Project picture> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 838#437838> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_270.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_203.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Yep that's the A65 I plan to use, That Ptatt&Whittney 985 would take care of anytail heavy issues! Not sure what my DAR will have too say about it being sofar along and me wanting to be the builder.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:31:28 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner
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Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
I'm in Seminole, 70 miles north of Midland in oil countrySent from my iPadOn Jan 29, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:John, West Texas is a BIG place. I was born in Spearman Near the Oklahoma panhandle and lived in El Paso, which is closer to Arizona than to Oklahoma.Where are you in that vast expanse?Note the town of West, Texas is in Central Texas!Blue Skies,Steve DSan Antonio.On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Ray Krause > wrote:>John,Welcome to our forum. Sounds like you have a great project. How far along is the project? I'm anxious to see some pictures.We're really a bunch of nice guys, fear not!Thanks for joining us, we will learn a lot,Ray KrauseBuilding a Sky ScoutSent from my iPad> On Jan 29, 2015, at 3:26 PM, John Letkeman > wrote:>to:pilot(at)fehrs.com>>>> Hi All! My name is John Letkeman, I'm the proud new owner of a Pietenpol Aircamper project,> The builder Jack Frees, passed away before he could finish it and it was then donated to EAA in Oklahoma, and that is whom I purchased it from and trailered it home to west Texas, maybe someone on this forum knew the builder? I plan on installing an A65 Continental and moving the rudder pedals forward 2" as I'm 6'4", I will try to post some pictures.> John>> Sent from my iPad>>br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListFORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.comb Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution--Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Original Posted By: Fastnaught John
With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you might reconsiderand find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density altitudesyou'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvement over the A-65...Just my $0.02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say thatthe airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the onlybuilder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before beingcompleted by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably sayingis that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificatefor it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, andfor that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work onit that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wingsand fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of gettingthat cert.You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- RaymondHanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:18:42 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Pietenpol owner
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Thank you all for the warm welcome! My mission for the Pietenpol is to keep it as light and simple as possible, although I will be flying off an airport with an elevation of 3300ft, during the summer I will only fly in the mornings and evenings, not when its hot and high,I fly a King Air for a living and have access to a Cessna 170 180hp, so the Pietenpol will not be my only means of flying,I love the idea of putting around at 70 mph 500ft agl like its the 1930's with my 10 year old son in the front seat, we plan to fly it to all the local fly-inn's, thank you all for your advice, keep it coming, I'm sure I will be posting pictures and asking all kinds of questions.JohnSent from my iPadOn Jan 30, 2015, at 7:46 AM, Michael Perez > wrote:Hello John and welcome. I just finished my plane this past summer and at this time, am not sure when I might get it to a hangar and start some ground work. You may want to visit this list often as it is quite dynamic and changes quickly. Even though I may not post, reply or even read all the posts, I stop by daily to see what the latest topic of interest are.Build complete 8/2014Mike Perez"If God is your co-pilot...switch seats!"________________________________________________________________________________
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Nice looking Pietenpol!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Steve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the performance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger wing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 and would be willing to give a comparison.Sent from my iPadOn Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 100. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could trade your 65 for that.)My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of ground effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get to Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find his own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road where someone gave him a ride.John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly early in the day.I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting family and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or fall.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner > wrote::tkreiner(at)gmail.com>>With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you might reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density altitudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvement over the A-65...Just my $0.02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#437852br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListFORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.comb Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution--Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner

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Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=99s emails show up blank? He usually has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.Gary BootheNX308MB
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com> wrote:Can someone tell me why Jeff Boatright=92s emails show up blank? He usually has something intelligent to say, and I dislike missing it.Gary BootheNX308MB
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner

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Original Posted By: John Letkeman >
Thanks for sharing Jeffrey, if I read your post right, I should be more pleased with the performance of my Pietenpol A65 then my A65 Champ, even if it is equal I will be happy with my Pietenpol, one of my goals is to keep it cheap, I have lots of three A65 engines and lots of parts,Now I just need a prop!RegardsJohnSent from my iPadOn Jan 30, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey > wrote:Take this all with a grain of salt as the sampling size is tiny; your mileage may vary=85I have flown my Piet with an A65 and a C-85. I took instruction in an A65-powered Champ and I=92ve had some flights in Cubs powered by A-65s and C-85s. Far and away the best performer is my Piet with a C-85.The Piet has much crisper control responses than the Champs or Cubs. The Champ wallowed. The handling of the Cubs just plain sucked ' heavy, ponderously slow, and not precise at all. The Champ is the most dynamically stable, followed by the Cubs. The Piet is darned neared neutral, and indeed will happily continue into a bank if positive correction is not made by the pilot. The Champ is much more comfortable in turbulence (again, it just wallows). The Piet and Cubs are about equally skittish in turbulence ' not fun at all!Climb rate of the Piet with the A-65 was OK; it=92s great with the C'85. The Champ and Cubs are pretty anemic climbers, even with the C-85. It=92s counterintuitive to me, but that=92s been my experience.Overall I find the Piet a much more fun airplane. I was surprised by this. I really thought I=92d like the Champ more, but I didn=92t. And, overall, Cubs just suck. Sorry to all those romantics out there! But, the two Cubs I=92ve flown just suck.HTH,Jeff
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner

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Oscar, Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft,I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need tooresearch the FAR'sAnd find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate,I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum?I would like too visit with him,He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.ThanksJohnSent from my iPad> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags wrote:> > > John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say thatthe airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be theonly builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands beforebeing completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probablysaying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificatefor it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it,and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the workon it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wingsand fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of gettingthat cert.> > You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- RaymondHanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-poweredGN-1.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 857#437857> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner

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I don't ride a motorcycle, but I sometimes think that flying a Piet in thepattern is a defensive action, like motorcycles. http://youtu.be/tOc1fqaysNoGary BootheNX308MB________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 22:07:34 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner

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90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and looking at the plans already!Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.JohnSent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (Wood frame, cloth, A65)One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman > wrote::pilot(at)fehrs.com>>Oscar,Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft,I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need too research the FAR'sAnd find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.ThanksJohnSent from my iPad> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags > wrote:>mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>>>> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.>> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 437857>>br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListFORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.comb Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution--Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 09:05:30 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Thanks Steve! I may take you up on that, I could just jump in a rental car, do you have any pictures of your Piet on this forum?JohnSent from my iPadOn Feb 1, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:Yes, I am smack dab in the middle. I live on Fort Sam Houston.with some warning I could haul you out to look over my project. Note it takes 40 min to get there from almost any airport.Steve DOn Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 8:56 AM, John Letkeman > wrote:90% done 50% to go! So true! I have spent a lot of time measuring parts and looking at the plans already!Are you in the San Antonio area? I fly my boss there occasionally.JohnSent from my iPadOn Jan 31, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Steven Dortch > wrote:John, It looks 90% complete. That means there is only 50% to go!Seriously, Don't be surprised if you spend some time figuring out why or how the last builder did something. I spend a lot of time doing just that.If you can't find a local Pietenpol or even (Heaven forbid) Grega, look around for someone who has built a Bowers Flybaby. While very different in many ways (low wing, single seat), there are a lot of building similarities (Wood frame, cloth, A65)One of my problem solving mentors built a fly baby. He is full of information. He also gets me to simplify my sometimes overly complex thoughts. IE, "Rather than custom machining a mount, why don't you just burn a hole in the fabric and turn the bolt around!" "Use one long screw instead of two short ones." He really wants me to get my plane flying because, "no one else flies as slow as I do."Oscar also helped me by getting me to write down everything I thought I wanted to do. Then he had me do a shorter list of everything that had to be done to fly safely. Work off of that list first, then later you can add bells and whistles (or guns and bombs and smoke, and horns that play songs)Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:40 PM, John Letkeman > wrote::pilot(at)fehrs.com>>Oscar,Although I've been flying for 15 years, I'm pretty new to experimental aircraft,I've been interested in the Pietenpol for as long as I've been flying, I need too research the FAR'sAnd find out what the steps are too getting N-# and airworthiness certificate, I'm ok with not getting repairman certificate, is Raymond Hanover on this forum? I would like too visit with him,He's only about a two hour flight in the C170.ThanksJohnSent from my iPad> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:38 AM, taildrags > wrote:>mailto:taildrags(at)hotmail.com>>>> John; there's nothing wrong with you being the builder... the FARs just say that the airplane has be be amateur-built but it doesn't say you have to be the only builder. My Piet and most others have been through several hands before being completed by the second, third, or more builders. What you're probably saying is that you probably will not qualify to get the repairman's certificate for it. That would permit you to do your own condition inspections on it, and for that you have to convince your DAR that you've done enough of the work on it that you're so familiar with it that you can inspect it. With the wings and fuselage covered and painted, I don't think you have much hope of getting that cert.>> You do have a nearby neighbor (nearby, if measured by Texas standards)- Raymond Hanover is up in Skellytown and is in test flights with his Corvair-powered GN-1.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 437857>>br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListFORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.comb Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution--Blue Skies,Steve D">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ntribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... tion--Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: throttle quadrant ideas
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Like most others who have chimed in here, I find very little issue or problem withflying right hand on stick/left hand on throttle, or vice-versa. I don'teven think about it. Years of flying C-150/152/172/182/206/Mooney/PA-whateverall came very natural with yoke in left hand and throttle in right, but I startedout in a J-3 and never felt like something was wrong when in a Champ, Cub,or anything else (including Piet) with the other setup. I like what I havenow (throttle on left, stick in right hand) and I want to be buried that way,but I can assure you that it won't take long to adapt to either setup.Jerry, as a side note to you, my very first airplane ride in my life was when Iwas maybe 8 or 9 years old. I sat next to Wally Carson, the GMAC insurance agentat my grandfather's Chevrolet dealership in Laredo, Texas... in his Luscombe.I will never, ever forget the sensation of the airplane lifting off theground and then me looking out the window to look at the starboard side tire asit stopped spinning after it broke free of the pavement and with Laredo MunicipalAirport melting away below us. Imagine my wonder as the twin cities ofLaredo Texas and Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, Mexico began to spread out before mein the windscreen, with the Rio Grande river twisting and winding between them.I never knew what things looked like from the air and it was incredible.Believe it or not, I have never been back up in a Luscombe since that day inabout 1960, and all I've ever heard about them is that they are squirrelly onthe ground. Try to tell that to my heart, which has a very special place in itfrom that warm summer day when flying became a reality to a young boy who hadonly been able to look at airplanes from the ground until that day. Just hearingor seeing "Luscombe" means something completely different to me than itdoes to most people, including pilots.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 07:42:24 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper owner
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Hello Fellow Pieters,I wanted to share an experience I had yesterday. Just a reminder to all who touchpropellers whether they are propping the plane or not.A friend of mine who flys a Thorp T 18 was in the area and his plane was parkedat my airport over the whole weekend. He does this a lot. Anyway, The batterywas low due to the cold outside air temperatures all weekend. He managed toflood the engine while trying to start it. The engine was turning very slowly.So I asked if he would like me to pull it through several blades to clearthe flooding before he tried to start it again. He said sure, please do. Ohyea, It has a metal prop hanging on an 0-360, 180HP and the nose of the planeis very low to the ground. Nough of that, OK, Switch off, throttle closed, mixturelean, master off, and a push on the plane to see if the brakes are holding.All was confirmed by the pilot. When I pulled through the 5th blade the engine started and ran for about 10 secondsthen ran out of gas. It sure surprised the pilot. In fact, it scared him.It didn't scare me. I have had this happen to me more than one other time.I always assume that the engine will start anytime I put my hands on a blade.It can folks.I managed to talk the pilot into pushing the plane to my hangar so we can chargethe battery and try to figure out why a mag was hot. Long story short. Hismag switch was bad, (very bad). When the switch was in the both position, bothmags were hot (good). When the switch was On the left mag, both mags werehot (not good). When the switch was on the right mag, the right mag was hot andthe left mag was off (good). When the switch was in the off position, theright mag was still hot and the left mag was off (Very bad). This was why theplane started. Conclusion,I gave him a tip that I use before shut down. I will momentarily switch the magsto the off position to verify that the engine quits, then turn it back to theboth position so the engine keeps running. Then I will shut down with themixture control. If you have a problem with the mags not shutting off, this willtell you and you can get it fixed before someone gets hurt. We put the cowlback on and he flew home. He said he will be ordering a new switch from Spruceas soon as he got home.Be careful and prepared around all props everyone. Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:30:45 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sun-N-Fun 2015
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Thanks for posting, Scott. Sounds like he might have just wired the switch incorrectly. Hopefully thenew switch will have a wiring diagram with it so he can wire it properly.I'm always amazed by the number of PILOTS who will walk up to my plane inthe hangar and wiggle the prop. I always fuss at them, telling them theysure trust me to have the mags wired correctly and the p-leads intact.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Jack,The mags were wired correctly. The plane and the switch are 35 years old. Infact, the switch would not even return from the start position on its own. Youhave to return it to the both position. It was just flat worn out.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 10:20:56 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Propping planes, WARNING
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Steve,When I was a kid I saw a guy loose his arm while propping a small homebuilt. Iguess the image has stuck with me. All your points should be taken seriouslyby all pilots. If you are not properly trained, then stay away from the bignasty man eating propeller. Rattlesnake? Yes. I just wanted to share the story. I didn't mean to raise your heart rate but maybethat's a good thing. I wanted to just remind folks that what we do can biteyou if you are not prepared.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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I treat props the way I treat chain saws - they should always be treated as dangerous as soon as someone puts their hands on them.Kip GardnerOn Feb 3, 2015, at 11:35 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> >>> Steve,>> When I was a kid I saw a guy loose his arm while propping a small > homebuilt. I guess the image has stuck with me. All your points > should be taken seriously by all pilots. If you are not properly > trained, then stay away from the big nasty man eating propeller.>> Rattlesnake? Yes.>> I just wanted to share the story. I didn't mean to raise your heart > rate but maybe that's a good thing. I wanted to just remind folks > that what we do can bite you if you are not prepared.>> --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Propping planes, WARNING
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First lesson I learned when my Dad took me to airport for my first flight - maybeI was around 6 or 7.As we approached the plane, my Dad said, "Never touch a prop." When I asked him why, the answer was, "The engine might start, and you can gethurt bad or killed."I've told exactly this to my own children, and to non-pilots when I take them tothe field.We should all do the same...Thanks for the reminder!--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: hot ignition system, propping
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Thanks Mike,Funny thing, When doing the mag check there was no drop on the left and 150 dropon the right. One would think that the left mag was in really great shapewith no drop. But to my surprise the right mag was still running in the left position.Hence, no mag drop. I always seem to learn something when at the airport.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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They are simple Floats, no idea about empty weight. When it's all done I will bring it to SNF on Fuse. with wings. Thanks for the info, I did know about the weight thing.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Aircamper ownerSteve, Thanks for your help on this matter, I have never flown a Pietenpol but have owned a Champ 7AC with the A65 and was very satisfied with the performance and it was a 760lbs airplane, I know that the Champ has a larger wing but it also is100+lbs heavier than the Pietenpol, maybe you or someone else on this forum has experience in both the Pietenpol A65 and Champ A65 and would be willing to give a comparison.Sent from my iPadOn Jan 30, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:Altitude at Seminole is 3,300. Density altitude can be a tail kicker. Most Cubs and Champs in West Texas have been up engined from 65HP to 85, 90 or 100. You might even consider looking at a Corvair for more HP. (You could trade your 65 for that.)My 100HP Cessna 150, fully loaded, took a really long time to get out of ground effect at a 2000 MSL airport and I barely got enough altitude to get to Lubbock (3000 ft MSL) on a 112 degree day. That got my attention.Van White, an old aviator at Biggen Hill Airport near Shallowater, told me that his dad had a model A powered Pietenpol in the 1930s. One day his dad flew him to visit a farmer friend in anouther county and in the heat of the afternoon, his dad could not get the plane to fly out of ground effect for the trip home. His dad ordered 10 year old Van out and told him to find his own way home and took off. Van said it sure was a long walk to a road where someone gave him a ride.John, Do the math and make your own decision. With 65HP you can always fly early in the day.I hope to fly my Piet up to the Panhandle someday for a tour, visiting family and friends, But I only have 65HP so I will probably plan on spring or fall.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:54 PM, tkreiner > wrote::tkreiner(at)gmail.com>>With the temps in W Texas - I've spend several summers out there - you might reconsider and find an O-235 to hang on your airframe. At the density altitudes you'll encounter, a 65 Hp engine might produce 40 Hp on a hot summers day. The O-235 would probably give you around 80 Hp, a HUGE improvement over the A-65...Just my $0.02--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2#437852br> enpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListFORUMS -_blank">http://forums.matronics.comb Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution--Blue Skies,Steve D">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).)???{l?7?r?h?M4?M=1Fiu???z????.?'?N=17???^??%.+-=12f??Z+?e,z?^1?k?x?????W??????=06???hn?0??azf?????b?+bz?.r=16?.+-R=7F??=1C?*m?????b??j?!=0E?'????6?=06?0??j?@@?h??!j????r=19?r=19??????=7F? 0??k?x???&???=06????z???K??a??=7F? 0??k?x???&???=06????z???K??=7Fh?=13D?H %?=04S?PEjg???r??z{Z??=1A???i?^?&???lZ+?k=1A?????i?????k?x???&??i?????k?x???&???????n?b?u?m(?y8Z?L???+?????????i??Lj?C??ex???=07f?v?????=7F? 0??k?x???&??'??????=1Bm???? ???'??=1C?o?{k??????k??~???????=1D??m?________________________________________________________________________________
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