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Pietenpol-List: No worry "kitting" for wing

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Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
I'll cut the nose and rear of this rib free to use in the center section. As always,I appreciate reading answers and opinions.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: No worry "kitting" for wing
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Original Posted By: "Lorenzo"
This subject came up again in another thread....If "kitting" means mass productionof the roughly 15 individual pieces to make a rib, and the gussets, I completedmy entire wing kit in about 4 hours total work. So for any lurkers outthere thinking it takes a bazillion hours, don't fret any longer. By using amiter saw, and a stop block how long does it take to cut 35 or so identical piecesof spruce? Rinse lather repeat. A 24" x 8' foot section of 1/16" aircraftgrade ply goes into roughly 20 7/8" (or so) x 8' foot strips in under 5 minuteswith a table saw. Then 10 so of those get taped together and run under theafore mentioned chop saw to make gussets "masters". The masters get formedinto finish parts using some simple hand tools like a tin snip. You will wantto mark some large baggies to hold your rib pieces and some plastic containersto hold the 1,100 (+/-) gussets that come from the single sheet of ply. Itsall quite enjoyable too!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No worry "kitting" for wing
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Original Posted By: "JERRY"
I wholeheartedly agree. It is not very difficult or tedious, although my techniqueswere a bit different. For the wing rib gussets, I cut them all out with a2-inch hole saw. Then trimmed with snips to halves or quarters, at the properangles, as I used them. Lengths of capstrip were cut to length, then finishedto proper angles (again as I used them) with a 12-inch benchtop disc sander.Piece of cake.The most tedious part was in getting only one rib completed per day. I used T-88and clamping pressure only (no nails). So I could only process one rib overnightthrough my rib jig.LorenzoRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "PatrickW"
Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. With the proper engineering....> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are still learning from God's little creatures, the birds.Ray KrauseSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No worry "kitting" for wing
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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Used this approach to make all the parts for a pair of wings on my current project.Was fun and very satisfying.Made all the "master" pieces for one rib, got them all the way I wanted them, thenduplicated each piece as many times as needed. Make two dozen "part A's", then two dozen "part B's", etc, etc, until they're alldone. Organized each part in separate ziplock bags, with labels. After all the pieces were made, I used one Rib Jig, and made one rib per night.In a month all the ribs were done.The same methodology works well for other parts that need to be duplicated. Makethe first one, then make some more just like it. "Measure twice, cut a coupledozen times."Two related articles here, with some pictures: www.eaa25.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/0 ... 201404.pdf www.eaa25.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/0 ... pdfPatrick HoytN63PZRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..

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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..

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Original Posted By:> Ray Krause
Thought they would roll it!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:> > Geeze, parts of that video are so =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 dramatic (?) =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 that it almost looks like CGI rather than a real crew flying a real airplane. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pretty amazing what the current generation airliners can do when lightly loaded and without passengers.> >
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Original Posted By:>> Ray Krause
Was hoping to see em roll it. What a graceful, beautiful aircraft! Way to go Boeing! What could possibly be coming next? GlenSent from my iPhone> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Ray Krause wrote:> > Thought they would roll it!> > Ray Krause> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:>> >> Geeze, parts of that video are so =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 dramatic (?) =C3=A2=82=AC=C2 that it almost looks like CGI rather than a real crew flying a real airplane. It=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s pretty amazing what the current generation airliners can do when lightly loaded and without passengers.>> >>
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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
On Feb 17, 2015, at 10:50 AM, Ray Krause wrote:> > Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. With the proper engineering....> >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918> > Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are still learning from God's little creatures, the birds.> > Ray Krause> > > Sent from my iPad> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..

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>> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..>> >> >> Who says we need wing struts, a little wing flex just adds to the beauty. With the proper engineering....>> >>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZRKm6PG918>> >> Sorry, but I could not resist the beauty of this video. I guess we are still learning from God's little creatures, the birds.>> >> Ray Krause>> >> >> Sent from my iPad>> >> >> >> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of>> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged>> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution>> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly>> prohibited.>> >> If you have received this message in error, please contact>> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the>> original message (including attachments).>> =C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3=AD=C2=B2,=C3=9E=C3=99=C3=8A%=C2=A2=C2=BD4=C3=93M4}=C2=A7=1Er=B9=C2=AB=B0=C3=C3=A7{=07(=C2=BA=C2=B8=C5=BE=C2=AD8^>'=C2=ADzzh=9D=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B4I=C5=A1=C5-Qh=C2=AE=C3=A9=9D=C2=B1=C3=ABax=C3=86=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=82=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=91^j=C3=9B=C2=ABz=C3=83Z=C2=BE(=1A=C2=B6=C5-=C3=AD=C2=A1=C2=BA=C3=A8=C3=82=C3=87=C2=AD=C3=A9=C5=A1=C5=B8"=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=9B=C2=AD=C5-X=C2=AD=B0=C3=AB,=C2=B9=C3=88Z=C2=B0=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B5I=C3J=C3=C3=ACr=C2=B8=C2=A9=C2=B6*'=02=C2=B7!=C5-=C3=B7=99y=C2=C3=9C=9E:0=C5=BEZ=1Aw=C2=B0=C3=9A=C3=88=1A=C3=A8=C3=82=C3=87=9A=C2=ABE=01=03=C3=A1=C2=A2=C3=9A,=C2=C3=9Ejwf=C2=B9=C3=88f=C2=B9=C3=88f=C2=A2=C2=B7=C5=A1-=C2=B7=C5=B8-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=BC0=C3=82f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=BA=C3=B3Z=C2=BE(=1A=C2=B6=C5-=C3=8F=B0=C3=AB^=C5=BE=C5=A1%.+--=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=BC0=C3=82f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=BA=C3=B3Z=C2=BE(=1A=C2=B6=C5-=C3=8F=B0=C3=AB^=C5=BE=C5=A1%.+-=C3=BD=C2=A3M=13=C2=8D $=93=10=11NEC=12I=C2=A9=C5=BE=9A=C2=B7=C5=A1=C2=B5=C3=8A'=C2=B5=C3=A9=C3=ADj[(j=C3=B6=C2=A2=A2=C2=C3=A5z=C3=B8=C5=A1=C2=B6=17=93y=C2=B1h=C2=AE=C3=A9=C2=ACj=1A=C3=9E~=1Bm=C2=A7=C3=C3=9F=C2=A2=C2=BB=C2=C2=B2f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=C5=A1=1Bm=C2=A7=C3=C3=9F=C2=A2=C2=BB=C2=C2=B2f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=BA=C3=B6=B9=C5-=C3=8BB=C2=A2{k=B0=C2=BB=C2=AD=C5-=B0=C3'y=C2=B4=C2=A2=C2=B5=C3=A4=C3=A1jy2=C2=A2=C3=A7=C3=A8=C2=AF*.=C2=AE=07=C2=A7z=C2=BA.=C2=B2=C3=8B=C2=A9=C2=C5-=C3=AD1=C2=ABm=0E=C2=B6=C2=A5=A2=C3=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=90=1D=C5=A1)=C3=9A-=C2=B7=C5=B8-=C3=9Bi=C3=C3=BC0=C3=82f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=BA=C3=B7(=C5=BE=C3=9A=C3=A2n=C3=ABb=C2=A2xm=C2=B6=C5=B8=C3=C3=83=0C&j=C3=9A=C3=A8=C5=BE',r=B0=C2r=B0=C3=AD=C2=AE&=C3=AE=C2=B6*'=C3=BD=C2=AF=C3=9B=C3=BD=C3=BA'=C2=B7=C3=BAk{=C3=B6=C3=A8w/=C3=A1=C2=B6i> > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flex, the need for struts..
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