Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Steve E.Thanks for the weight wing info and all of the problems that youencountered taking your wings on and off. Will stick with my swing armtrailer idea as I want this to be a lazy,no brainer,one man operation !Plus we don't want ugly handles on the wing tips. It would probably beeasier to build a one wing piet and a hanger, but I love a challange.Keep firing any problems I will encounter and I will keep you updated onmy working model. It seems do able so far.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet
Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet>Steve E.>Thanks for the weight wing info and all of the problems that you>encountered taking your wings on and off. Will stick with my swing arm>trailer idea as I want this to be a lazy,no brainer,one man operation !>Plus we don't want ugly handles on the wing tips. It would probably be>easier to build a one wing piet and a hanger, but I love a challange.>Keep firing any problems I will encounter and I will keep you updated on>my working model. It seems do able so far.>phil>>-->Check out Crusader Toys @>http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/>>_____ ... __________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet>Steve E.>Thanks for the weight wing info and all of the problems that you>encountered taking your wings on and off. Will stick with my swing arm>trailer idea as I want this to be a lazy,no brainer,one man operation !>Plus we don't want ugly handles on the wing tips. It would probably be>easier to build a one wing piet and a hanger, but I love a challange.>Keep firing any problems I will encounter and I will keep you updated on>my working model. It seems do able so far.>phil>>-->Check out Crusader Toys @>http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/>>_____ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Ed Nolan
Hi GuysI have also considering a trailer for the Piet. I had tought about hangingthe wings leading edge down on the inside of the trailer and then winchingthe fuselage in tail first. I think brackets could be built into the trailerwall to hold the wings at their attach points. Rigging will still be aproblem. Have you considered studying some of the folding wing navaldesigns? I remember looking at one that used a pair of first class leversbutted together at the wing root to take care of aileron linkage. I wonderif my AA Ford truck would pull it? :-)J Mc________________________________________________________________________________
Hi GuysI have also considering a trailer for the Piet. I had tought about hangingthe wings leading edge down on the inside of the trailer and then winchingthe fuselage in tail first. I think brackets could be built into the trailerwall to hold the wings at their attach points. Rigging will still be aproblem. Have you considered studying some of the folding wing navaldesigns? I remember looking at one that used a pair of first class leversbutted together at the wing root to take care of aileron linkage. I wonderif my AA Ford truck would pull it? :-)J Mc________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Phil Peck
Phil & Steve,I really like your "one man lazy" concept of the swing wing trailer! I'vebeen thinking about the same idea as I plan on trailering to the airporttoo. The nearest airfield usually has a crowd of glider pilots who do thesame routine. I have this re-occuring dream of pulling up with "twin" ModelA engines (One my '31 Deluxe Tudor and One in the Piet) and showing themwhat "low and slow" is really about!Do you have a sketch of what either of you are thinking about? I havethought of a system as Steve describes with u-joints. The struts couldsecure to the wing for travel. A compromise could be to have anchor pointsin each wing to which handles could be attached for setup, and removed forflight. I'd love to see a picture of your model Phil once you get itfinished, and would be glad to work on the design with either of you.Another thought I had was to mimick the glider trailers I've seen which arecovered. A custom Piet trailer could have a series of overlappingcover-sections - decreasing in size toward the tail. This would alsoprotect the wings / fuselage from the chance rock or road debris. Onceinstalled, such a covered Piet trailer would act as a hangar as well.Regards,Jim WrightAmerican Pietenpoler in Belgiumjgw(at)village.uunet.be-----Original Message-----
Phil & Steve,I really like your "one man lazy" concept of the swing wing trailer! I'vebeen thinking about the same idea as I plan on trailering to the airporttoo. The nearest airfield usually has a crowd of glider pilots who do thesame routine. I have this re-occuring dream of pulling up with "twin" ModelA engines (One my '31 Deluxe Tudor and One in the Piet) and showing themwhat "low and slow" is really about!Do you have a sketch of what either of you are thinking about? I havethought of a system as Steve describes with u-joints. The struts couldsecure to the wing for travel. A compromise could be to have anchor pointsin each wing to which handles could be attached for setup, and removed forflight. I'd love to see a picture of your model Phil once you get itfinished, and would be glad to work on the design with either of you.Another thought I had was to mimick the glider trailers I've seen which arecovered. A custom Piet trailer could have a series of overlappingcover-sections - decreasing in size toward the tail. This would alsoprotect the wings / fuselage from the chance rock or road debris. Onceinstalled, such a covered Piet trailer would act as a hangar as well.Regards,Jim WrightAmerican Pietenpoler in Belgiumjgw(at)village.uunet.be-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Phil Peck
>Jim Wright>American Pietenpoler in Belgium>jgw(at)village.uunet.beYou're a long way from home, Jim. What took you to the other side of thepond? Quite a few Piets in England from what I gather. Anyone else inBelgium building a Piet? Did you buy a turkey yet--(well, at least a large capon)? 8)Ed________________________________________________________________________________
>Jim Wright>American Pietenpoler in Belgium>jgw(at)village.uunet.beYou're a long way from home, Jim. What took you to the other side of thepond? Quite a few Piets in England from what I gather. Anyone else inBelgium building a Piet? Did you buy a turkey yet--(well, at least a large capon)? 8)Ed________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Joe & Marian Beck
Its nice to see the positive response about the swing wing. I have beenkind of quiet about it not wanting to upset any die hard Piet by theplans builders. Personally I think if the wings would fold the Pietwould become as popular as the Kitfox(but I could be wrong). But let meshare my dream with you.You have just finished a great flight and you need to go home fordinner. You land and stop in front of your trailer. You shut off theengine and just before you get out you flip up the back trailing edgecenter section to reveal the ends of two long rods that you pull out tounlock the spars from the center section . ( stole that idea from mymodel Ultimate Bipe) Then you unlock the top aileron cable to give youthe extra foot you will need to pull out the wings and swing them back.(The method for this would be the same method i use to chain my tractordown with when I trailer it. But for the life of me I can't rememberwhat the quick locks are called!) The important thing is that it wouldbe quick,fail safe, and keep the same pre set cable adjustments. Iwould then get out of the piet swing the trailer wing arms out parrellelto the wing and then winch the plane nose first into the trailer tillthe wings tips rest in the padded trailer arm cradles. (only bracing thetips will allow me to raise up the struts to the wing plus the design ofthe trailer arms are such that this allows me to pull out the wing threeinches or so,piviot the wing and then swing it back) This takes care ofthe wing weight,allows support for the wings while trailering and makesfor a quick one man operation. Plus I haven't changed any of the outwardapperance of the Piet! I haven't given the full cover hanger idea anythought but it would be nice to have a piet in a hangered trailer. Iwill gladly intertain any thoughts on why this will not work as I amsure there is something I haven't thought of... But its a start.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Its nice to see the positive response about the swing wing. I have beenkind of quiet about it not wanting to upset any die hard Piet by theplans builders. Personally I think if the wings would fold the Pietwould become as popular as the Kitfox(but I could be wrong). But let meshare my dream with you.You have just finished a great flight and you need to go home fordinner. You land and stop in front of your trailer. You shut off theengine and just before you get out you flip up the back trailing edgecenter section to reveal the ends of two long rods that you pull out tounlock the spars from the center section . ( stole that idea from mymodel Ultimate Bipe) Then you unlock the top aileron cable to give youthe extra foot you will need to pull out the wings and swing them back.(The method for this would be the same method i use to chain my tractordown with when I trailer it. But for the life of me I can't rememberwhat the quick locks are called!) The important thing is that it wouldbe quick,fail safe, and keep the same pre set cable adjustments. Iwould then get out of the piet swing the trailer wing arms out parrellelto the wing and then winch the plane nose first into the trailer tillthe wings tips rest in the padded trailer arm cradles. (only bracing thetips will allow me to raise up the struts to the wing plus the design ofthe trailer arms are such that this allows me to pull out the wing threeinches or so,piviot the wing and then swing it back) This takes care ofthe wing weight,allows support for the wings while trailering and makesfor a quick one man operation. Plus I haven't changed any of the outwardapperance of the Piet! I haven't given the full cover hanger idea anythought but it would be nice to have a piet in a hangered trailer. Iwill gladly intertain any thoughts on why this will not work as I amsure there is something I haven't thought of... But its a start.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: swing wing piet
Original Posted By:> Phil Peck
I said the same thing a couple weeks ago about pulling into a Fly-In with myModel "A" pulling a Pietenpol powered by a Model "A", and dressed in the periodclothes also, get out the wicker chairs, and old Red & White Coke A Cola IceChest and old Royal Typewriter just incase I want to type some letters too.I bet we are not the first with the idea. Just wish I still had my 31 4dr BriggsBody.I'm building an Ultra Piet also. My projects start in 1999GordonUUNet wrote:> Phil & Steve,>> I really like your "one man lazy" concept of the swing wing trailer! I've> been thinking about the same idea as I plan on trailering to the airport> too. The nearest airfield usually has a crowd of glider pilots who do the> same routine. I have this re-occuring dream of pulling up with "twin" Model> A engines (One my '31 Deluxe Tudor and One in the Piet) and showing them> what "low and slow" is really about!>> Do you have a sketch of what either of you are thinking about? I have> thought of a system as Steve describes with u-joints. The struts could> secure to the wing for travel. A compromise could be to have anchor points> in each wing to which handles could be attached for setup, and removed for> flight. I'd love to see a picture of your model Phil once you get it> finished, and would be glad to work on the design with either of you.>> Another thought I had was to mimick the glider trailers I've seen which are> covered. A custom Piet trailer could have a series of overlapping> cover-sections - decreasing in size toward the tail. This would also> protect the wings / fuselage from the chance rock or road debris. Once> installed, such a covered Piet trailer would act as a hangar as well.>> Regards,>> Jim Wright> American Pietenpoler in Belgium> jgw(at)village.uunet.be>> -----Original Message-----
I said the same thing a couple weeks ago about pulling into a Fly-In with myModel "A" pulling a Pietenpol powered by a Model "A", and dressed in the periodclothes also, get out the wicker chairs, and old Red & White Coke A Cola IceChest and old Royal Typewriter just incase I want to type some letters too.I bet we are not the first with the idea. Just wish I still had my 31 4dr BriggsBody.I'm building an Ultra Piet also. My projects start in 1999GordonUUNet wrote:> Phil & Steve,>> I really like your "one man lazy" concept of the swing wing trailer! I've> been thinking about the same idea as I plan on trailering to the airport> too. The nearest airfield usually has a crowd of glider pilots who do the> same routine. I have this re-occuring dream of pulling up with "twin" Model> A engines (One my '31 Deluxe Tudor and One in the Piet) and showing them> what "low and slow" is really about!>> Do you have a sketch of what either of you are thinking about? I have> thought of a system as Steve describes with u-joints. The struts could> secure to the wing for travel. A compromise could be to have anchor points> in each wing to which handles could be attached for setup, and removed for> flight. I'd love to see a picture of your model Phil once you get it> finished, and would be glad to work on the design with either of you.>> Another thought I had was to mimick the glider trailers I've seen which are> covered. A custom Piet trailer could have a series of overlapping> cover-sections - decreasing in size toward the tail. This would also> protect the wings / fuselage from the chance rock or road debris. Once> installed, such a covered Piet trailer would act as a hangar as well.>> Regards,>> Jim Wright> American Pietenpoler in Belgium> jgw(at)village.uunet.be>> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
John Mc, I promised my wife I would only have 15 projects going at atime and as I promised to help my Dad build a quick stitch and gluedingy I have reached my project limit. But the boat is going quickly.I think I am going to build a full size wing out of foam(i have a foamcutter) out to the strut bracket and then build up a fake center section. Doesn't have to be pretty just has to have the right sizes. Thenwill work on the pivoting spar as it is the only part that will be thetoughest.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
John Mc, I promised my wife I would only have 15 projects going at atime and as I promised to help my Dad build a quick stitch and gluedingy I have reached my project limit. But the boat is going quickly.I think I am going to build a full size wing out of foam(i have a foamcutter) out to the strut bracket and then build up a fake center section. Doesn't have to be pretty just has to have the right sizes. Thenwill work on the pivoting spar as it is the only part that will be thetoughest.phil--Check out Crusader Toys @http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/_______ ... __________
> swing wing piet
Original Posted By: Randy Stockberger
> Subject: swing wing piet>> >Steve E.> >Thanks for the weight wing info and all of the problems that you> >encountered taking your wings on and off. Will stick with my swing arm> >trailer idea as I want this to be a lazy,no brainer,one man operation !> >Plus we don't want ugly handles on the wing tips. It would probably be> >easier to build a one wing piet and a hanger, but I love a challange.> >Keep firing any problems I will encounter and I will keep you updated on> >my working model. It seems do able so far.> >phil> >> >--> >Check out Crusader Toys @> >http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: swing wing piet>> >Steve E.> >Thanks for the weight wing info and all of the problems that you> >encountered taking your wings on and off. Will stick with my swing arm> >trailer idea as I want this to be a lazy,no brainer,one man operation !> >Plus we don't want ugly handles on the wing tips. It would probably be> >easier to build a one wing piet and a hanger, but I love a challange.> >Keep firing any problems I will encounter and I will keep you updated on> >my working model. It seems do able so far.> >phil> >> >--> >Check out Crusader Toys @> >http://www.thegrid.net/crusader/> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________