Original Posted By: robert hensarling
Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges, I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top page 207. Now let me explain which size would bebetter for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I planon using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 anda 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question shouldI try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?
Original Posted By: Les Lampman
kyle ray wrote:> > Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?> Russ,Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extrudedtype, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but havingan aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Takethe hit for the more expensive extruded hinge. Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.Mike List________________________________________________________________________________
kyle ray wrote:> > Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?> Russ,Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extrudedtype, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but havingan aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Takethe hit for the more expensive extruded hinge. Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.Mike List________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,>>I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top>>page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable>>for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>>>>Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.>>Saludos>>Gary Gower>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,>>I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top>>page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable>>for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>>>>Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.>>Saludos>>Gary Gower>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>kyle ray wrote:>>>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,>> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top>> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable>> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>>>Russ,>>Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extruded>type, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but having>an aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Take>the hit for the more expensive extruded hinge.>>Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.>>Mike List>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>kyle ray wrote:>>>> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges,>> I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top>> page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>> better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>> on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>> a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable>> for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>> I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>>>Russ,>>Whatever hinge you get, make sure it is of the more expensive extruded>type, not the cheaper folded variety. Air Campers are tough, but having>an aileron come adrift might be a bit too much abuse, even for it. Take>the hit for the more expensive extruded hinge.>>Perhaps Mike Cuy can recommend which direction for the hinge pin to lie.>>Mike List>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gary Gower
> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges, >I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top >page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable >for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.SaludosGary Gower________________________________________________________________________________
> Wicks aircraft list two different types of piano hinges, >I plan on ordering the cheaper one, third item from top >page 207. Now let me explain which size would be>better for the Pietenpol. They are 6' in length I plan>on using entire length but theres a 1-1/16, 1-1/4,1-1/2 and>a 2 inch width. which would be the most applicable >for the Pietenpol aileron ? Second question should>I try to turn down hinge pin out of airstream?>>Based on our Teman experience, go for the up pin instalation first.SaludosGary Gower________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: michael list
Sir; PLEASE only use the extruded (Military part # MS20001-P3 or P4 ) !The hinge pin is a long wire that you will have to block at the hinge endsso it won't wiggle out. The top of the "barrel" of the hinge is flush withthe top of the wing, the two sides are going down the face of each spar. Iused this exact arrangement on my Scout and Mike Cuy used it on hisAircamper which is always in the air!DO NOT USE the wrap around type hinge. It is not designed for "continuousduty" and the hinge "pin" wire is a very loose fit whereas the extrudedhunge has a very tight fit. My Scout ailerons are shorter so I had to trimoff accordingly. The Aircamper should use the full 6' length.EARL MYERS-----Original Message-----
Sir; PLEASE only use the extruded (Military part # MS20001-P3 or P4 ) !The hinge pin is a long wire that you will have to block at the hinge endsso it won't wiggle out. The top of the "barrel" of the hinge is flush withthe top of the wing, the two sides are going down the face of each spar. Iused this exact arrangement on my Scout and Mike Cuy used it on hisAircamper which is always in the air!DO NOT USE the wrap around type hinge. It is not designed for "continuousduty" and the hinge "pin" wire is a very loose fit whereas the extrudedhunge has a very tight fit. My Scout ailerons are shorter so I had to trimoff accordingly. The Aircamper should use the full 6' length.EARL MYERS-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Gary Gower
GARY!! Do you want a copy of this drawing, the aileron hinge? If so, adviseby direct e-mail to me with your snail-mail address....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
GARY!! Do you want a copy of this drawing, the aileron hinge? If so, adviseby direct e-mail to me with your snail-mail address....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: John Fay
I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is tobend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screwthrough the loop.I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used onall RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flaphinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be asgreat as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly arestronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread theload out over the structure.I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luckwith them.Regards,Bob Seibert________________________________________________________________________________
I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is tobend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screwthrough the loop.I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used onall RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flaphinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be asgreat as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly arestronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread theload out over the structure.I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luckwith them.Regards,Bob Seibert________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to>bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting ascrew>through the loop.>I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on>all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and theflap>hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as>great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are>stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spreadthe>load out over the structure.>I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had goodluck>with them.>Regards,>Bob Seibert>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: which hinge?>I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to>bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting ascrew>through the loop.>I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on>all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and theflap>hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as>great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are>stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spreadthe>load out over the structure.>I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had goodluck>with them.>Regards,>Bob Seibert>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Seibert
BOB: Would you happen to know what the part number is of that hinge? If it isthe Mil-Spec wrap around type and you have 700+ hours of flying on it, Iguess it would work for a low & slow Piet.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
BOB: Would you happen to know what the part number is of that hinge? If it isthe Mil-Spec wrap around type and you have 700+ hours of flying on it, Iguess it would work for a low & slow Piet.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Another way to secure the hinge pin is to just bend a 90 degree angle in one end,drill a small hole adjacent to where this end will be and use a piece of .021safety wire to secure it. All the piano hinges on my Howard (270 mph red line)are done this way!Seibert wrote:> I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to> bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screw> through the loop.> I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on> all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flap> hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as> great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are> stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread the> load out over the structure.> I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luck> with them.> Regards,> Bob Seibert--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Another way to secure the hinge pin is to just bend a 90 degree angle in one end,drill a small hole adjacent to where this end will be and use a piece of .021safety wire to secure it. All the piano hinges on my Howard (270 mph red line)are done this way!Seibert wrote:> I have seen a number of ways to secure hinge pins. One of the neatest is to> bend a loop in one end and secure the pin from sliding out by putting a screw> through the loop.> I would comment on the use of "wrap around" style hinges. These are used on> all RV aircraft for flap hinges. My RV6 has 700+ hours on it now and the flap> hinges are just as tight as they were 6 years ago. Strength may not be as> great as the extruded type but the hinges, when installed properly are> stronger then any of the welded up ones in the plans because they spread the> load out over the structure.> I'll admit it. I'm a tightwad. I'll use the cheap ones. I have had good luck> with them.> Regards,> Bob Seibert--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Cuy
Earl,I would suggest trying http://www.wicks.com/aircraft/Per new on-line catalog, it is $8.64 per 6' piece.That is vs. $39.53 for the extruded part.There are other part numbers and I am not sure which one is the best one touse on the Piet. That is the one I would try first.Regards,Bob Seibert________________________________________________________________________________
Earl,I would suggest trying http://www.wicks.com/aircraft/Per new on-line catalog, it is $8.64 per 6' piece.That is vs. $39.53 for the extruded part.There are other part numbers and I am not sure which one is the best one touse on the Piet. That is the one I would try first.Regards,Bob Seibert________________________________________________________________________________