Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference? Jonathan_________________________________________________________________Get thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with Windows=AE.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nuts
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nutsGuys,What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the horizontal stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nutsDate: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:39:17 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nutsGuys,What have people done to fabricate an access panel to get at the horizontal stab hold-down nuts? Pictures would be helpful. Thanks. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Access panel for horiz stab hold-down nutsDate: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:39:17 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: Jonathan Ragle
JonathanWhen a post like yous goes unanswered for a couple of days, it's not that you are being ignored. It is a collective, "I don't know and don't feel qualified to comment".I do know that an A-65 mounts differently than an O-200, but I have no further info on that. I also don't know about a C-90.You need to talk with an A&I who works with those models.Good luckDick N. ----- Original Message -----
JonathanWhen a post like yous goes unanswered for a couple of days, it's not that you are being ignored. It is a collective, "I don't know and don't feel qualified to comment".I do know that an A-65 mounts differently than an O-200, but I have no further info on that. I also don't know about a C-90.You need to talk with an A&I who works with those models.Good luckDick N. ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: Jonathan Ragle
Hand propping is like flying with a tail wheel. Not many pilots do it anymore and most that do wouldn't have it any other way.GeneN502R ----- Original Message -----
Hand propping is like flying with a tail wheel. Not many pilots do it anymore and most that do wouldn't have it any other way.GeneN502R ----- Original Message -----
From: horzpool(at)goldengate.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: P
Original Posted By: horzpool(at)goldengate.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: P
It's all good my friend. I know that if someone knows the answer they will post up.
It's all good my friend. I know that if someone knows the answer they will post up.
RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: charles loomis
From: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pie
Original Posted By: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
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Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:34:58 -0400
Original Posted By: Tim Verthein
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pol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Many thanks! I think my dad talked me out of a swap though. He said "Why turn an $8000 airplane into an $18=2C000 airplane?". I think I'm going to buy an exercise bike instead. :)pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathan_________________________________________________________________Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/mess ... ______Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:37:10 -0400
Many thanks! I think my dad talked me out of a swap though. He said "Why turn an $8000 airplane into an $18=2C000 airplane?". I think I'm going to buy an exercise bike instead. :)pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathan_________________________________________________________________Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/mess ... ______Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:37:10 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By:> rmueller23(at)gmail.com
Original Posted By: Jonathan Ragle
JonathanWhen a post like yous goes unanswered for a couple of days=2C it's not that you are being ignored. It is a collective=2C "I don't know and don't feel qualified to comment".I do know that an A-65 mounts differently than an O-200=2C but I have no further info on that. I also don't know about a C-90.You need to talk with an A&I who works with those models.Good luckDick N.----- Original Message -----
JonathanWhen a post like yous goes unanswered for a couple of days=2C it's not that you are being ignored. It is a collective=2C "I don't know and don't feel qualified to comment".I do know that an A-65 mounts differently than an O-200=2C but I have no further info on that. I also don't know about a C-90.You need to talk with an A&I who works with those models.Good luckDick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathanst" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... butionTalk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find Out How href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... c8/29/2008 7:07 AM_________________________________________________________________Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Windows=AE.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathanst" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... butionTalk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find Out How href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... c8/29/2008 7:07 AM_________________________________________________________________Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Windows=AE.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
From: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pie
Original Posted By: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
Funny you mention the O-235=2C I had been considering it as an option aswell if one can be had for a reasonable price. Would make a very capable piet. I definately want to stay informed on your build.When you say BP airfoil do you mean the original Berny Piet design? I figure 80 years later I could do better than him=2C but perhaps I shouldn't mess with (sort of) success. Still in the daydreaming phase.JonSome interesting posts I am building a wide body Piet with a lycomimg 0235 108 hp and the BP air foil. Naturally I have been adding my own touches=2C after all its my airplane. John RecineNX895BP Reserved Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
Funny you mention the O-235=2C I had been considering it as an option aswell if one can be had for a reasonable price. Would make a very capable piet. I definately want to stay informed on your build.When you say BP airfoil do you mean the original Berny Piet design? I figure 80 years later I could do better than him=2C but perhaps I shouldn't mess with (sort of) success. Still in the daydreaming phase.JonSome interesting posts I am building a wide body Piet with a lycomimg 0235 108 hp and the BP air foil. Naturally I have been adding my own touches=2C after all its my airplane. John RecineNX895BP Reserved Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
pol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: Jonathan Ragle
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathan st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find Out How href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... c8/29/2008 7:07 AM st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beeao/108588797/direct/01/' target=========== )=AD=E6=DF=A2{l=8B7=B6r=89h=AFM4=D3M=1Fi=C7=9C=A2=EAz=B9=DE=C1=CA.=AE'=ABN=17=8F=89=EB^=9E=9A%.+-=12f=A2=94Z+=BAe=2Cz=D8^1=ABk=A2x=9C=B0=B8=AC=B4W=9A=B6=EA=DE=B0=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=BBhn=BA0=B1=EBazf=A7=C8=B8=AC=B6=EBb'+bz=CB.r=16=AC.+-R=7F=D2=B9=BB=1C=AE*m=8A=89=C0=AD=C8b=BD=E4=9Ej=B7!=0E=8C''=86=9D=EC6=B2=06=BA0=B1=E0=A1j=D1@@=F8h=B6=8B!j=B7=9A=9D=D9=AEr=19=AEr=19=A8=AD=E6=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CBa=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CB=7Fh=C0=13D=E3H %=84=04S=91P=C4=92jg =AD=E6=ADr=89=EDz{Z'=CA=1A=BD=A8=A5i=B9^=BE&=AD=85=E5=9ElZ+=BAk=1A=86=B7=9F=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=A2=B2=D0=A8=9E=DAn=EBb=A2u=9Em(=ADy8Z=9EL=A8=B9=FA+=CA=8B=AB=81=E9=DE=AE=8B=AC=B2=EAi=A2=BBLj=DBC=AD=A9ex=B8=AC=B4=07f=8Av=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=CA'=B6=B8=9B=BA=D8=A8=9E=1Bm=A7=FF=F0=C3 =9A=B6=BA'=89=CB=1C=A2o=DC=A2{k=89=BB=AD=8A=89=FFk=F6=FF~=89=ED=FE=9A=DE=FD=BA=1D=CB=F8m=9A_________________________________________________________________Get thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with Windows=AE.________________________________________________________________________________
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathan st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find Out How href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... c8/29/2008 7:07 AM st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beeao/108588797/direct/01/' target=========== )=AD=E6=DF=A2{l=8B7=B6r=89h=AFM4=D3M=1Fi=C7=9C=A2=EAz=B9=DE=C1=CA.=AE'=ABN=17=8F=89=EB^=9E=9A%.+-=12f=A2=94Z+=BAe=2Cz=D8^1=ABk=A2x=9C=B0=B8=AC=B4W=9A=B6=EA=DE=B0=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=BBhn=BA0=B1=EBazf=A7=C8=B8=AC=B6=EBb'+bz=CB.r=16=AC.+-R=7F=D2=B9=BB=1C=AE*m=8A=89=C0=AD=C8b=BD=E4=9Ej=B7!=0E=8C''=86=9D=EC6=B2=06=BA0=B1=E0=A1j=D1@@=F8h=B6=8B!j=B7=9A=9D=D9=AEr=19=AEr=19=A8=AD=E6=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CBa=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CB=7Fh=C0=13D=E3H %=84=04S=91P=C4=92jg =AD=E6=ADr=89=EDz{Z'=CA=1A=BD=A8=A5i=B9^=BE&=AD=85=E5=9ElZ+=BAk=1A=86=B7=9F=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=A2=B2=D0=A8=9E=DAn=EBb=A2u=9Em(=ADy8Z=9EL=A8=B9=FA+=CA=8B=AB=81=E9=DE=AE=8B=AC=B2=EAi=A2=BBLj=DBC=AD=A9ex=B8=AC=B4=07f=8Av=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA=7F=FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=CA'=B6=B8=9B=BA=D8=A8=9E=1Bm=A7=FF=F0=C3 =9A=B6=BA'=89=CB=1C=A2o=DC=A2{k=89=BB=AD=8A=89=FFk=F6=FF~=89=ED=FE=9A=DE=FD=BA=1D=CB=F8m=9A_________________________________________________________________Get thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with Windows=AE.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Ben=2CI've already made a deal on a C65 powered piet=2C just waiting to come up with another $1=2C500 and it's half mine. My dad bought half of it from a friend and I'm buying him out of the other half. Neither of us have flown it so it should be fun to learn. But I still want to start a project. I miss the feeling of building a flying machine with my own two hands. I could be flying the RV6 but even though the 'ol man and I built it together he put up the cash and I don't like digging around in his toybox.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs.et(at)bellsouth.net>> > If what your really want is to FLY=2C why not buy a complete flying > airplane. I bought my Baby Ace for a lot cheaper than I'll be able to > build my Piet. Just a thought....> Ben> > Jonathan Ragle wrote:> > Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits > > are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just > > wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.> > > ========> > > _________________________________________________________________Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/mess ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Ben=2CI've already made a deal on a C65 powered piet=2C just waiting to come up with another $1=2C500 and it's half mine. My dad bought half of it from a friend and I'm buying him out of the other half. Neither of us have flown it so it should be fun to learn. But I still want to start a project. I miss the feeling of building a flying machine with my own two hands. I could be flying the RV6 but even though the 'ol man and I built it together he put up the cash and I don't like digging around in his toybox.net> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs.et(at)bellsouth.net>> > If what your really want is to FLY=2C why not buy a complete flying > airplane. I bought my Baby Ace for a lot cheaper than I'll be able to > build my Piet. Just a thought....> Ben> > Jonathan Ragle wrote:> > Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits > > are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just > > wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
> > > ========> > > _________________________________________________________________Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/mess ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200From: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pie
Original Posted By: zharvey(at)bellsouth.netTo: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pie
If you are widening it out and using a motor with over twice the original HP=2C I'm not going to flame you for saying that the original aircraft must be respected and/or preserved. It's like wanting an all original 1932 ford 3 window coupe=2C but wanting it with a Chevy 350 and air conditioning. But I'm going to keep the original brakes because they have worked well since 1932=2C and you have to respect the originality. =3B) Seriously though=2C if you are going to the extent of building a widebody with a modern big number powerplant (and thus no slant nosed piet which I think looks way cool) then I think originality is out of the window. But if I had to pick 2 of the three (space=2C power=2C modern foil) I would definately pick the two that you have picked. Can't wait to see some pics and hear about it's habits. I might have to copycat your build. Sounds like it's going to be pretty swiet.JonathanFor me=2C Bernie is the man so I am going with the original foil=2C its worked well since 1929 hard to justify something else. Especially with keeping most all fuse elements in balance. If it were not for my personal preferences for room and power I would have stayed more on plan. Built its my airplane so that's the direction Iam going. I believe its a matter of choice for me I chose the Piet because that's what I wanted warts and all. If you're looking for great climb=2C speed=2C aerobatics or big usable weight and 4 place you may be better satisfied looking elsewhere. I think you got to have a certain appreciation for project and a love for your piet or you'll only be flying the piss out or her till she dies. Sorry for the sermon on the piet but you got to love and respect her. Just my never humble opinion=2C let the flames begin!GepittoJohn RecineNX895BP reserved and building Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Funny you mention the O-235=2C I had been considering it as an option aswell if one can be had for a reasonable price. Would make a very capable piet. I definately want to stay informed on your build.When you say BP airfoil do you mean the original Berny Piet design? I figure 80 years later I could do better than him=2C but perhaps I shouldn't mess with (sort of) success. Still in the daydreaming phase.JonSome interesting posts I am building a wide body Piet with a lycomimg 0235 108 hp and the BP air foil. Naturally I have been adding my own touches=2C after all its my airplane. John RecineNX895BP Reserved Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
If you are widening it out and using a motor with over twice the original HP=2C I'm not going to flame you for saying that the original aircraft must be respected and/or preserved. It's like wanting an all original 1932 ford 3 window coupe=2C but wanting it with a Chevy 350 and air conditioning. But I'm going to keep the original brakes because they have worked well since 1932=2C and you have to respect the originality. =3B) Seriously though=2C if you are going to the extent of building a widebody with a modern big number powerplant (and thus no slant nosed piet which I think looks way cool) then I think originality is out of the window. But if I had to pick 2 of the three (space=2C power=2C modern foil) I would definately pick the two that you have picked. Can't wait to see some pics and hear about it's habits. I might have to copycat your build. Sounds like it's going to be pretty swiet.JonathanFor me=2C Bernie is the man so I am going with the original foil=2C its worked well since 1929 hard to justify something else. Especially with keeping most all fuse elements in balance. If it were not for my personal preferences for room and power I would have stayed more on plan. Built its my airplane so that's the direction Iam going. I believe its a matter of choice for me I chose the Piet because that's what I wanted warts and all. If you're looking for great climb=2C speed=2C aerobatics or big usable weight and 4 place you may be better satisfied looking elsewhere. I think you got to have a certain appreciation for project and a love for your piet or you'll only be flying the piss out or her till she dies. Sorry for the sermon on the piet but you got to love and respect her. Just my never humble opinion=2C let the flames begin!GepittoJohn RecineNX895BP reserved and building Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Funny you mention the O-235=2C I had been considering it as an option aswell if one can be had for a reasonable price. Would make a very capable piet. I definately want to stay informed on your build.When you say BP airfoil do you mean the original Berny Piet design? I figure 80 years later I could do better than him=2C but perhaps I shouldn't mess with (sort of) success. Still in the daydreaming phase.JonSome interesting posts I am building a wide body Piet with a lycomimg 0235 108 hp and the BP air foil. Naturally I have been adding my own touches=2C after all its my airplane. John RecineNX895BP Reserved Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-0500To: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Hand propping is no big deal. If you are going to wear a leather helmet and goggles it is almost required for authenticity purposes. I'm just wanting a more realistic 2 seat aircraft at some point=2C but for now I'm going to fly the piss out of the piet and leave it like it is. I've got some work to do=2C I haven't been current since I was 21 and I need a tailwheel endorsement. Thinking about building a widened piet with an O-200 and a modified airfoil. Not sure. I have been out of building since highschool when my dad and I built an RV6 and I would like to cut my teeth on spruce. Who knows=2C I might build an RV4 or 6 with an O-320 (incomplete kits are cheap due to being "obsolete") or a Sonexwith an AeroVee. Just wanting to build or modify something=2C but mostly wanting to FLY.
pol-list(at)matronics.com Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 vs. C90 vs. O-200Jonathan=2CThis information came from Ron Wanttaja's Fly Baby page: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/Another influential homebuilt=2C and a very informative website. He says the engine info came from Harry Fenton=2C who was/is an A&P who posted to their mailing list.----------------------------------Motor Mount AdaptabilityQuestion:I'm now looking at a KR2 with a C65 engine which means hand-propping . The external looks prettygood (in the picture) and should be getting some interior pics and answers to lots of other questions soon. I do like having the Continental motor. Do you happen to know if the motor mount for a C65 will work with a C85 or 0200? I'd like to work towards the engine with a starter and more HP if possible.Answer:The motor mount for the A-65 and C85 series is the same in that conical rubber bushings are used. As such=2C the overall dimensions from the engine mount lugs on the engine to the prop flange shaft remain the same. The C-90-12=2C -14=2C 16 and O-200 have different mounts and the lugs are set further forward on the engine case. These engines can be mounted on the A-65 mount but require about a 2" spacer to position the prop flange in the same location as the A-65. the C-85-12 will be your best choice for a low-hassle installation. That's what I was able to find thus far. Maybe that will help give you an idea.RyanOn Thu=2C Aug 28=2C 2008 at 8:33 AM=2C Jonathan Ragle wrote:>> Do these all use the same engine mount? Anyone know roughly the dimensional difference?>> >> Jonathan st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find Out How href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... enpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> ... c8/29/2008 7:07 AM st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beeao/108588797/direct/01/' target='_new'>Make your smash hit http.matronics.com/contribution" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contr=============== )=AD=E6=DF=A2{l=8B7=B6r=89h=AFM4=D3M=1Fi=C7=9C=A2=EAz=B9=DE=C1=CA.=AE'=ABN=17=8F=89=EB^=9E=9A%.+-=12f=A2=94Z+=BAe=2Cz=D8^1=ABk=A2x=9C=B0=B8=AC=B4W=9A=B6=EA=DE=B0=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=BBhn=BA0=B1=EBazf=A7=C8=B8=AC=B6=EBb'+bz=CB.r=16=AC.+-R =D2=B9=BB=1C=AE*m=8A=89=C0=AD=C8b=BD=E4=9Ej=B7!=0E=8C''=86=9D=EC6=B2=06=BA0=B1=E0=A1j=D1@@=F8h=B6=8B!j=B7=9A=9D=D9=AEr=19=AEr=19=A8=AD=E6=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA =FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CBa=B6=DA =FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FC=D6=AF=8A=06=AD=A2=B3z=D7=A7=89K=8A=CB h=C0=13D=E3H %=84=04S=91P=C4=92jg =AD=E6=ADr=89=EDz{Z'=CA=1A=BD=A8=A5i=B9^=BE&=AD=85=E5=9ElZ+=BAk=1A=86=B7=9F=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=86=DBi=FF=F7=E8=AE=E9=AC=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=A2=B2=D0=A8=9E=DAn=EBb=A2u=9Em(=ADy8Z=9EL=A8=B9=FA+=CA=8B=AB=81=E9=DE=AE=8B=AC=B2=EAi=A2=BBLj=DBC=AD=A9ex=B8=AC=B4=07f=8Av=A1=AD=E7=E1=B6=DA =FF 0=99=ABk=A2x=9C=B1=CA&=FD=CA'=B6=B8=9B=BA=D8=A8=9E=1Bm=A7=FF=F0=C3 =9A=B6=BA'=89=CB=1C=A2o=DC=A2{k=89=BB=AD=8A=89=FFk=F6=FF~=89=ED=FE=9A=DE=FD=BA=1D=CB=F8m=9AGet thousands of games on your PC=2C your mobile phone=2C and the web with =========== =B7=9B~=89=ED=B2=2C=DE=D9=CA%=A2=BD4=D3M4}=A7=1Er=8B=AB=89=EA=E7{=07(=BA=B8=9E=AD8^>'=ADzzh=94=B8=AC=B4I=9A=8AQh=AE=E9=94=B1=EBax=C6=AD=AE=89r=C2=B2=D1^j=DB=ABz=C3Z=BE(=1A=B6=8A=ED=A1=BA=E8=C2=C7=AD=85=E9=9A=9F"=B2=DB=AD=8AX=AD=89=EB=2C=B9=C8Z=B0=B8=AC=B5I=FFJ=E6=ECr=B8=A9=B6*'=02=B7!=8A=F7=92y=AA=DC=84:0=9EZ=1Aw=B0=DA=C8=1A=E8=C2=C7=82=85=ABE=01=03=E1=A2=DA=2C=85=AA=DEjwf=B9=C8f=B9=C8f=A2=B7=9A=86=B7=9F=86=DBi=FF=FC0=C2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9B=F3Z=BE(=1A=B6=8A=CF=89=EB^=9E=9A%.+-=86=DBi=FF=FC0=C2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9B=F3Z=BE(=1A=B6=8A=CF=89=EB^=9E=9A%.+-=FD=A3�=3BM=13=8D $'=10=11NEC=12I=A9=9E=82=B7=9A=B5=CA'=B5=E9=EDj[(j=F6=A2-=E5z=F8=9A=B6=17'y=B1h=AE=E9=ACj=1A=DE~=1Bm=A7=FF=DF=A2=BB=B2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9A=1Bm=A7=FF=DF=A2=BB=B2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9B=F6=8B=8A=CBB=A2{k=89=BB=AD=8A=89=D6y=B4=A2=B5=E4=E1jy2=A2=E7=E8=AF*.=AE=07=A7z=BA.=B2=CB=A9=8A=ED1=ABm=0E=B6=A5-=B2=D0=1D=9A)=DA=86=B7=9F=86=DBi=FF=FC0=C2f=AD=AE=89r=C7(=9B=F7(=9E=DAn=EBb=A2xm=B6=9F=FF=C3 &j=DA=E8=9E'=2Cr=89r=89=ED=AE&=EE=B6*'=FD=AF=DB=FD=FA'=B7=FAk{=F6=E8w/=E1=B6i_________________________________________________________________Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how.http://www.windowslive.com/explore/mess ... __________
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