Original Posted By: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 Oil PressureI'm working on that today.....Thanks It's been so damn hot here I can only stand a few hours a day and I have to wait for my prop-er to show up.Corky________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: Nav8799h(at)aol.com
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 08:28:37 AMCongratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee madeher first flight also.The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 Fand a density altitude of 2400 Ft.The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performsflawless.I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answersthat have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for allbuilders.Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was alwaysable to find answers on the list or in the archives.Thank you All,I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.I will start with this;My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.Empty weight 680 LbsSplit Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakesThe main deviations from plans are:1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V slightly)2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall.Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starterPropeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34Carburetor: Zenith 1821I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little every day.I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year and a half and holding a day job)Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!Hans van der VoortProud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss BansheeWaller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional________________________________________________________________________________
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 08:28:37 AMCongratulations Lou, I know how you must feel, you where not alone.Saturday, August 20th @ 4 PM, my Pietenpol Air Camper Miss Banshee madeher first flight also.The weather was great, a slight breeze form the south, Heat index of 105 Fand a density altitude of 2400 Ft.The Airplane flies hands-off straight and the Corvair engine performsflawless.I must thank all of you Pietenpol listers for all the questions and answersthat have been posted, this list is truly a great resource for allbuilders.Every time a question arose during the construction phase, I was alwaysable to find answers on the list or in the archives.Thank you All,I will have to repay the favor by sharing my experience in the future.I will start with this;My Pietenpol is the improved long fuselage Air Camper.Empty weight 680 LbsSplit Landing gear with 6 x 6.00 wheels, Matco wheels and brakesThe main deviations from plans are:1) Wheels are 3 forward of plans. (changed the landing gear V slightly)2) Bungies replaced with coil springs.3) Engine mount extended by to give Corvair more clearance to Firewall.Engine O-164 Corvair, William Wynne conversion with front starterPropeller: Tennessee prop. 64 x 34Carburetor: Zenith 1821I started this Pietenpol project in March of 2004 and build a little every day.I took me around 1780 Hours to complete it, (yes, thats right in a year and a half and holding a day job)Now its off to flying again, Yee-Haw!!Hans van der VoortProud Owner/Builder/flyer of Pietenpol NX 15 KV Miss BansheeWaller, 3XS7 Houston Sectional________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsThat is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and at nearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how many of these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be an interesting statistic.I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during the winter season, generally from November through March. I never kept track of thehours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going to do for winter entertainment now?Again congratulations on your first flight.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:51:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsThat is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and at nearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how many of these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be an interesting statistic.I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during the winter season, generally from November through March. I never kept track of thehours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going to do for winter entertainment now?Again congratulations on your first flight.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:51:16 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:02:34 AMLou,Thanks, for my next project I lean towards a Culver Cadet.Again wood build, 100 Hp but little faster.Just need to find some costruction plans.Hans Nav8799h(at)aol.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l To ist-server@matron pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ics.com cc Subject 08/24/2005 07:50 Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com That is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and atnearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how manyof these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be aninteresting statistic.I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during thewinter season, generally from November through March. I never kept trackof the hours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going todo for winter entertainment now?Again congratulations on your first flight.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:02:34 AMLou,Thanks, for my next project I lean towards a Culver Cadet.Again wood build, 100 Hp but little faster.Just need to find some costruction plans.Hans Nav8799h(at)aol.com Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l To ist-server@matron pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ics.com cc Subject 08/24/2005 07:50 Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com That is interesting that two had their first flight on the same day and atnearly the same time. I was at 2:00 PM eastern time. I wonder how manyof these Pietenpols are completed and flown in a year. That might be aninteresting statistic.I was 3-1/2 years of construction, however I was only working during thewinter season, generally from November through March. I never kept trackof the hours, I just used it as a hobby. My problem is; what am I going todo for winter entertainment now?Again congratulations on your first flight.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:08:58 AMHarvey,Could be, a few of my father's cousins moved from Holland to Canada in the50's.Myself I am a fresh import.I do not plan to winterize the Pietepol, Texas weather does not knowCanadian winters.Winter here looks like your summer.For your engine I would use fogging oil, you get it at a boat supply store.You use it to winterize boat engines.Hans harvey.rule@bell. ca Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights 08/24/2005 07:51 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa areyou any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I don'tknow if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next month ifall goes well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the way whatdo you guys do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I use Downyfabric softener clothes all over the plane wherever there is an opening tomake sure the mice don't get in.They don't like the smell of Downy.I'm notquite sure if there is anything that can be sprayed in the cylinders.Iheard that just squirting some oil in is all that it really takes.I wasgiven these things that look like they go into the spark plug holes andthey have what appears to be a crystal inside the glass case.I'm not surebut I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody else ever seen thesethings?-----Original Message-----
27, 2005) at 08/24/2005 09:08:58 AMHarvey,Could be, a few of my father's cousins moved from Holland to Canada in the50's.Myself I am a fresh import.I do not plan to winterize the Pietepol, Texas weather does not knowCanadian winters.Winter here looks like your summer.For your engine I would use fogging oil, you get it at a boat supply store.You use it to winterize boat engines.Hans harvey.rule@bell. ca Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights 08/24/2005 07:51 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I know a Pete Vander Voort who lives in Manitick just outside of Ottawa areyou any relation to him.Your computer puts out some strange symbols;I don'tknow if your aware of it.I should be ready to fly within the next month ifall goes well.Just in time to put her away for the winter.By the way whatdo you guys do to winterize your plane,engine and everything.I use Downyfabric softener clothes all over the plane wherever there is an opening tomake sure the mice don't get in.They don't like the smell of Downy.I'm notquite sure if there is anything that can be sprayed in the cylinders.Iheard that just squirting some oil in is all that it really takes.I wasgiven these things that look like they go into the spark plug holes andthey have what appears to be a crystal inside the glass case.I'm not surebut I think they are for soaking up moisture.Anybody else ever seen thesethings?-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Harvey wrote->I'd like to know what is the best tape to use in these places for>gap cover? I will order the one you guys say is best.Well, I have not used this myself (yet), but one of the guys over on the KRNet suggested "gaffers tape" for use on the wing gap seals on KRs. This is tape that is used in movie sets to tape wiring down onto the floor, so it doesn't have adhesive down the middle part of the tape... the part that would be over the gap between the wing and the control surface. It's available in an assortment of colors. Here's one example: http://www34.pair.com/harrison/thetapew ... f.htmOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:16:50 -0400
Harvey wrote->I'd like to know what is the best tape to use in these places for>gap cover? I will order the one you guys say is best.Well, I have not used this myself (yet), but one of the guys over on the KRNet suggested "gaffers tape" for use on the wing gap seals on KRs. This is tape that is used in movie sets to tape wiring down onto the floor, so it doesn't have adhesive down the middle part of the tape... the part that would be over the gap between the wing and the control surface. It's available in an assortment of colors. Here's one example: http://www34.pair.com/harrison/thetapew ... f.htmOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:16:50 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: harvey.rule(at)bell.ca
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsWell as far as the wife situation goes, we have a Navion as the other airplane and she is pretty happy going places in that. In the short/long runretirement is getting closer and I would like to find something to replace theNavion with that is a little less expensive to own and operate. Requirementsare the gear has to be down all of the time and the prop does move in any otherdirection other than around and around.I cannot get to excited about the RV's, there are just too many of them around, nothing exciting. Have been doing some research on the Barracuda (wheelsgo up, and the prop moves) or the Glastar. I really don't know if putting a kit together would be the same thing. It might be a little like the Barbie houses when my daughter was small.My basement is now clean and definitely needs something for this winter.Maybe I'll go back to putting RC's together, use to do that years ago. Not cheap, but less than the real thing.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:08:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsWell as far as the wife situation goes, we have a Navion as the other airplane and she is pretty happy going places in that. In the short/long runretirement is getting closer and I would like to find something to replace theNavion with that is a little less expensive to own and operate. Requirementsare the gear has to be down all of the time and the prop does move in any otherdirection other than around and around.I cannot get to excited about the RV's, there are just too many of them around, nothing exciting. Have been doing some research on the Barracuda (wheelsgo up, and the prop moves) or the Glastar. I really don't know if putting a kit together would be the same thing. It might be a little like the Barbie houses when my daughter was small.My basement is now clean and definitely needs something for this winter.Maybe I'll go back to putting RC's together, use to do that years ago. Not cheap, but less than the real thing.Lou________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsDate: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:08:18 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
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Congrats to both of you on first flights.On the question of winterizing- I just turn my engine over a couple of times every few weeks and start it up on an occasional nice day. I'm in Minnesota so a nice day can be 30+.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Congrats to both of you on first flights.On the question of winterizing- I just turn my engine over a couple of times every few weeks and start it up on an occasional nice day. I'm in Minnesota so a nice day can be 30+.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsLou and Hans,A hearty CONGRATULATIONS to you on your first flights !! Quite a milestone !!In a message dated 8/24/2005 8:30:05 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:I got hooked on the RV-10 at OSH this year and am already cleaning up the workshop in anticipation of starting on it. Jack and all,Have you considered a Wittman Tailwind W10 ? Did you also notice that one of them won First Place 'Formula FX' race this year at Osh, beating out all similar horsepower RV's, canards, and other glass planes, with an average speedof 218 mph ? Yeah, I know it's a two place, but it is a scratch built plane, well under half the price of an RV, and it sure is FAAAAAST !! Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, but a Wittman W10 is my current project.Chuck GantzerNX770CGlooking forward to passing up all those RV's when the Tailwind is done !!________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsLou and Hans,A hearty CONGRATULATIONS to you on your first flights !! Quite a milestone !!In a message dated 8/24/2005 8:30:05 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:I got hooked on the RV-10 at OSH this year and am already cleaning up the workshop in anticipation of starting on it. Jack and all,Have you considered a Wittman Tailwind W10 ? Did you also notice that one of them won First Place 'Formula FX' race this year at Osh, beating out all similar horsepower RV's, canards, and other glass planes, with an average speedof 218 mph ? Yeah, I know it's a two place, but it is a scratch built plane, well under half the price of an RV, and it sure is FAAAAAST !! Not that I'm prejudiced or anything, but a Wittman W10 is my current project.Chuck GantzerNX770CGlooking forward to passing up all those RV's when the Tailwind is done !!________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 09:47:44 AMThanks Rick,I have my Hangar behind my house (Airpark) which makes it very easy to workon the plane and keep a good pace.I did not extend the fuselage other than the 1/2 inch on the motor mount.The reason for this was that the standard Corvair oil filter would almosthit the Firewall.And with a layer of Fiberfrax and stainless sheet would be impossible tomount.The other option would have been a remote oil filter but this wouldincrease component count and weight.Or yet another option would have been to make a recess in the firewall butI was to far along to do that.If I build a Air Camper again I would build the Firewall 2" back and extendthe Motor mount the same.My Cabanes are not vertical, they lean about 1 1/2" back.Please note, that with the above setup (CG at 18" from Leading Edge) andwith Landing gear V as per drawing,I only had 1 Lbs on my Tail wheel during W&B, top longeron level.I decided to move wheels forward by 3 " tail wheel pressure is now 15 Lbs.I did some wheel landings last night and it seems very stable.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 09:47:44 AMThanks Rick,I have my Hangar behind my house (Airpark) which makes it very easy to workon the plane and keep a good pace.I did not extend the fuselage other than the 1/2 inch on the motor mount.The reason for this was that the standard Corvair oil filter would almosthit the Firewall.And with a layer of Fiberfrax and stainless sheet would be impossible tomount.The other option would have been a remote oil filter but this wouldincrease component count and weight.Or yet another option would have been to make a recess in the firewall butI was to far along to do that.If I build a Air Camper again I would build the Firewall 2" back and extendthe Motor mount the same.My Cabanes are not vertical, they lean about 1 1/2" back.Please note, that with the above setup (CG at 18" from Leading Edge) andwith Landing gear V as per drawing,I only had 1 Lbs on my Tail wheel during W&B, top longeron level.I decided to move wheels forward by 3 " tail wheel pressure is now 15 Lbs.I did some wheel landings last night and it seems very stable.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: hans.vander.voort(at)alfalaval.com
I don't remember who to credit for this. At Broadhead, as I was complaining aboutmy sore butt from the 4.7 hr trip down, somone commented that he used hissleeping bag pad as a cushion. I tried this on the way home. I have a self inflating pad and folded it over three times and left the valve upat the seat top. I am able to let air out to get the right height. This hasmade an extremely comfortable seat. These are available at Gander Mtn storesfor about $80. Also they have a cover available to hold this pad into the seatshape for $39.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
I don't remember who to credit for this. At Broadhead, as I was complaining aboutmy sore butt from the 4.7 hr trip down, somone commented that he used hissleeping bag pad as a cushion. I tried this on the way home. I have a self inflating pad and folded it over three times and left the valve upat the seat top. I am able to let air out to get the right height. This hasmade an extremely comfortable seat. These are available at Gander Mtn storesfor about $80. Also they have a cover available to hold this pad into the seatshape for $39.Dick N.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: HVandervoo(at)aol.com
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 12:18:43 PMBill,Started a web site yesterdaywww.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.htmlHave a look !Hans "Bill Church" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights 08/25/2005 10:23 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Lou and Hans,How about some pictures of your finished planes?Do Not Archive________________________________________________________________________________
27, 2005) at 08/25/2005 12:18:43 PMBill,Started a web site yesterdaywww.hometown.aol.com/hvandervoo/indexfront.htmlHave a look !Hans "Bill Church" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights 08/25/2005 10:23 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Lou and Hans,How about some pictures of your finished planes?Do Not Archive________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsNX629ML flew today. 2 flights so far - one 20 minutes and one 30 minutes. Got to 5000 ft on the second flight. Good climber, cruises about 75, no squalks. Video at _http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961_ (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961) Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightsNX629ML flew today. 2 flights so far - one 20 minutes and one 30 minutes. Got to 5000 ft on the second flight. Good climber, cruises about 75, no squalks. Video at _http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961_ (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v 54343642030&saved#!/video/video.php?v 54460884961) Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flights
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Attaboy, Matt! Looks like I need to start prepping Karen for me flying thePietenpol to Brodhead again. I just got it back from the Lynchburg Airshow,and other than an idiot walking into the trailing edge of the wing andputting a big dent in it, it went fine.If you cruise at 75, you might not want to fly with me to Brodhead. Minegets about 68 or so.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Attaboy, Matt! Looks like I need to start prepping Karen for me flying thePietenpol to Brodhead again. I just got it back from the Lynchburg Airshow,and other than an idiot walking into the trailing edge of the wing andputting a big dent in it, it went fine.If you cruise at 75, you might not want to fly with me to Brodhead. Minegets about 68 or so.Jack PhillipsNX899JP "Icarus Plummet"Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____