Original Posted By: "Skagit"
Mark and Kevin, thanks for the kind words. You should see the 4130 in the trash...Jack TextorSent from my iPadOn Apr 11, 2012, at 9:17 AM, "K5YAC" wrote:> > Thanks guys... I also got a phone call from one of our experienced builders/fliers that explained it the same way. What I didn't realize, or must have overlooked is that the outer two are turned 180* to the inner lug... makes perfect sense now. > > Jack... your work is superb. Your photos are always very clear and the fitment and welding is as nice as I've ever seen.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 532#370532> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Pietenpol-List: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Moving down the list of design decisions...In the interest of saving weight, would it be feasible to use brake control forsteering and forgo a steerable tailwheel? Or do the benefits of a steerabletailwheel outweigh the weight savings? (Outweigh the weight? There's a joke there somewhere, I just can't find it atthe moment...)Thanks again,--Rob 8)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:47:17 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Moving down the list of design decisions...In the interest of saving weight, would it be feasible to use brake control forsteering and forgo a steerable tailwheel? Or do the benefits of a steerabletailwheel outweigh the weight savings? (Outweigh the weight? There's a joke there somewhere, I just can't find it atthe moment...)Thanks again,--Rob 8)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:47:17 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Pietenpol-List: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?Rob,A fixed or steerable tailwheel are far better than a swiveling tailwheel. The last thing you everwant to fly is a fully-swiveling tailwheel. You're not going to save any weight with a steerablevs. swiveling tailwheel. If you're really looking to save weight use a tailskid as per the plansbut that has its own set of limitations.To me a steerable tailwheel is the only way to go on a Pietenpol where you intend to fly out of pavedstrips.May I ask if you've flown any conventional gear aircraft yet Rob?Mike C.There are a few choices of tailwheels here to look at:http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/pr ... x.htmlThis is what I purchased and use on my Pietenpol. For some reason this tailwheel came outof 'steerable' mode way too easily and nearly caused me to wreck my plane on one of my firstfew landings when it kicked out of steerable mode into full-swivel mode. It is only supposedto kick out of steerable mode at very slow speeds when you apply full rudder and or differentialbraking to pivot around one wheel in tight quarters or around gas pumps.To me the danger of this full-swivel option was so great that I took the thing apart and sawhow the mechanism worked and quickly ground out a detent for a spring-loaded locking pin so itwould basically always and forever be just a totally steerable-only tailwheel.After 450 flying hours during the last 14 years I've had no more issues with it and find it turnstightly enough for my wishes, even on narrow runways when I want to do a 180 degree turn.[cid:image005.jpg(at)01CD1804.684B6600][cid:image006.jpg(at)01CD1804.684B6600]________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?Rob,A fixed or steerable tailwheel are far better than a swiveling tailwheel. The last thing you everwant to fly is a fully-swiveling tailwheel. You're not going to save any weight with a steerablevs. swiveling tailwheel. If you're really looking to save weight use a tailskid as per the plansbut that has its own set of limitations.To me a steerable tailwheel is the only way to go on a Pietenpol where you intend to fly out of pavedstrips.May I ask if you've flown any conventional gear aircraft yet Rob?Mike C.There are a few choices of tailwheels here to look at:http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/pr ... x.htmlThis is what I purchased and use on my Pietenpol. For some reason this tailwheel came outof 'steerable' mode way too easily and nearly caused me to wreck my plane on one of my firstfew landings when it kicked out of steerable mode into full-swivel mode. It is only supposedto kick out of steerable mode at very slow speeds when you apply full rudder and or differentialbraking to pivot around one wheel in tight quarters or around gas pumps.To me the danger of this full-swivel option was so great that I took the thing apart and sawhow the mechanism worked and quickly ground out a detent for a spring-loaded locking pin so itwould basically always and forever be just a totally steerable-only tailwheel.After 450 flying hours during the last 14 years I've had no more issues with it and find it turnstightly enough for my wishes, even on narrow runways when I want to do a 180 degree turn.[cid:image005.jpg(at)01CD1804.684B6600][cid:image006.jpg(at)01CD1804.684B6600]________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Original Posted By: "Skagit"
Thanks...I plan to add an OUNCE sixteen times an then take a POUNDing on this forum - ha!!Actually very aware of weight - making conscious choices along the way to savein most places and only add when I make a conscious choice to do so....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Thanks...I plan to add an OUNCE sixteen times an then take a POUNDing on this forum - ha!!Actually very aware of weight - making conscious choices along the way to savein most places and only add when I make a conscious choice to do so....--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steerable tailwheel or swivel?
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
Got it...steerable.That looks like a nice setup. I've done a few hours in a Decathalon, but it was years ago. Never finished mytailwheel endorsement. Stay tuned for more rookie questions...RobRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Got it...steerable.That looks like a nice setup. I've done a few hours in a Decathalon, but it was years ago. Never finished mytailwheel endorsement. Stay tuned for more rookie questions...RobRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
RyanLike has been said before, You fly your and I will fly mine. Best luck to you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
RyanLike has been said before, You fly your and I will fly mine. Best luck to you.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: Amsafetyc
First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a productthat would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think ifthey did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a naphthabased solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility thatproblems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in thegas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its theMMO product itself.Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 toall the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO..... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.JMHO--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a productthat would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think ifthey did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a naphthabased solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility thatproblems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in thegas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its theMMO product itself.Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 toall the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO..... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.JMHO--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: ellery voge
One also has to remember that there are rules in chemistry that dictate mixingorder of substances. First comes safety add acid to water not water to acid. It'scalled reactivity, additionally the order in which chemicals are combinedmy adversely impact the resultant mixture and instead of a dispersion you endup with rocks. For the desired result one must follow the mix sequence as in a specific recipe.It is entirely possible for a substance to congeal if it is not mixed properlyor in the proper order. Unless you're mixing tap water with tap water. We all being people of science would prefer to debate anecdotal information foreverrather than to conduct simple scientific research (a lab )and acquire exactinformation that accepts the notion or refutes it once and for all! Ahhhhh yes sweet resolution learning the answer is not quite as much fun as beatingthe issue to death and allowing it to come up again in 6 or so months foranother endless round of debateJohnSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 12, 2012, at 8:13 AM, "womenfly2" wrote:> > First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a productthat would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think ifthey did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just anaphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. > > Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility thatproblems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in thegas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think itsthe MMO product itself.> > Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 toall the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.> > .... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.> > JMHO> > --------> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 595#370595> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
One also has to remember that there are rules in chemistry that dictate mixingorder of substances. First comes safety add acid to water not water to acid. It'scalled reactivity, additionally the order in which chemicals are combinedmy adversely impact the resultant mixture and instead of a dispersion you endup with rocks. For the desired result one must follow the mix sequence as in a specific recipe.It is entirely possible for a substance to congeal if it is not mixed properlyor in the proper order. Unless you're mixing tap water with tap water. We all being people of science would prefer to debate anecdotal information foreverrather than to conduct simple scientific research (a lab )and acquire exactinformation that accepts the notion or refutes it once and for all! Ahhhhh yes sweet resolution learning the answer is not quite as much fun as beatingthe issue to death and allowing it to come up again in 6 or so months foranother endless round of debateJohnSent from my iPhoneOn Apr 12, 2012, at 8:13 AM, "womenfly2" wrote:> > First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a productthat would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really, I would think ifthey did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just anaphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. > > Second, MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job, possibility thatproblems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in thegas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think itsthe MMO product itself.> > Many pilots and mechanics use it, even at the field where I fly, from a DC3 toall the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.> > .... old wives's tale and hanger talk, defiantly.> > JMHO> > --------> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 595#370595> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By:> Love2Fly.KAP(at)gmail.com
Best info. so far on this subject. ELV > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Best info. so far on this subject. ELV > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
Original Posted By: Amsafetyc
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oilJohn, you must remember "No horse is ever so dead that it cannot be beaten somemore!";+}Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oilJohn, you must remember "No horse is ever so dead that it cannot be beaten somemore!";+}Steve D----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a product that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really=2C I would think if they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a naphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. > > Second=2C MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job=2C possibility that problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in the gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its the MMO product itself.> > Many pilots and mechanics use it=2C even at the field where I fly=2C from a DC3 to all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.> > .... old wives's tale and hanger talk=2C defiantly.> > JMHO> > --------> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 595#370595> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >> > First one has to think about the product and the company. Would they sell a product that would congeal in fuel as stated above? Not really=2C I would think if they did the company would have closed a long time ago. MMO is simply just a naphtha based solvent. Therefore mixes well with gasoline. > > Second=2C MMO is high in detergents and do a good cleaning job=2C possibility that problems people have maybe do to the suspension of the dissolved solids in the gas which can lead to clog fuel filters and strainers making one think its the MMO product itself.> > Many pilots and mechanics use it=2C even at the field where I fly=2C from a DC3 to all the flight training Cubs. One has ever had any issues with MMO.> > .... old wives's tale and hanger talk=2C defiantly.> > JMHO> > --------> > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 595#370595> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________