Original Posted By: "Ralph"
You guys with Ford A's...it looks like most have drilled a hole at the top of the intake manifold for aprimer line..centered above the down tube.is this any kind of special fitting or just 1/8" pipe with a line to it ?i was thinking maybe it should be more toward the front or back... but if it worksgood in the middle i'm cool with that,the other thing is the primer itself.... i was thinking about putting it out bythe engine.. just above the cascolator...short lines.. and i'll be out therestarting it anyway..thanks..jeffRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: "Brett Phillips"
Jim email me at crhill74(at)yahoo.com. I live in Bellevue, NE.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:56:38 -0400
Jim email me at crhill74(at)yahoo.com. I live in Bellevue, NE.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:56:38 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
But, that is not what Jack recommends.Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I wouldstrongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderlineineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge andget the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of pianohinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and brokemy hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I wasinputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and itreally makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. MikeCuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC --- The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=C2-Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#375365le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________
But, that is not what Jack recommends.Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I wouldstrongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderlineineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge andget the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of pianohinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and brokemy hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I wasinputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and itreally makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. MikeCuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger)MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC --- The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum -=C2-Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5#375365le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Hey all,I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have either anAircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I looked through theonline catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need. Any help wouldbe appreciated.Thanks,TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:12:45 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
Hey all,I need to place an order for aileron piano hinges. Does anyone have either anAircraft Spruce or Wick's parts number on what they used? I looked through theonline catalog and didn't see exactly what I thought I need. Any help wouldbe appreciated.Thanks,TomRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:12:45 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
But, that is not what Jack recommends.Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and get the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger) MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC --- The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum -Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available suchas the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat,FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
But, that is not what Jack recommends.Adrian, Having flown Pietenpols with and without the aileron gaps sealed, I would strongly urge you to use aluminum piano hinges the full length of the aileron. Without the gaps sealed, the ailerons are sluggish and borderline ineffective. With full span piano hinges, you have a nice strong hinge and get the gap sealed for free. One word of advice - it is far easier if you use one 6 foot piece of piano hinge per aileron. I followed the advice given by Tony Bingelis and broke my hinges up into 6 12" sections so that if the wing was flexed while I was inputting aileron, the hinges would not bind. Totally unnecessary, and it really makes keeping all those hinges properly aligned very difficult. Mike Cuy used one long hinge per aileron and it works just fine. Also, I would use the cheaper AN257 rather than the MS20001 type. Plenty strong enough and 1/5th the price. I used the more expensive (and stronger) MS20001 type but would not do so if I were to do it over. Jack Phillips NX899JP "Icarus Plummet" Raleigh, NC --- The Matronics Pietenpol-List Email Forum -Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available suchas the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat,FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: bender
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But what Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But what Brett says is probably right, as he has more experience than I. Maybe you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one, and also I bought my whole induction set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better, since if I give it too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb, leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: BRETT PHILLIPS
Hi Joe,An eloquent story to inspire the masses! Fantastic! Can't wait to see her. Congrats!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:21 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Hi Joe,An eloquent story to inspire the masses! Fantastic! Can't wait to see her. Congrats!!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:26:21 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Dan=2C if you recall a couple of years ago at Brodhead I asked whether the primer was necessary=2C as I was not planning on putting one on mine. You and I tried propping yours bopth hot and cold without prime and determined that it was not necessary. Gene To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Dan=2C if you recall a couple of years ago at Brodhead I asked whether the primer was necessary=2C as I was not planning on putting one on mine. You and I tried propping yours bopth hot and cold without prime and determined that it was not necessary. Gene To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel primer "A"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge?
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Tom,As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extrudedaluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more thanjust the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that youwill drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am readingthat some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extrastrength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I putseveral smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going todo that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to alignand gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisorfelt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section shouldfail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.Just my thoughts.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Tom,As much as I respect Jack Phillips suggestions, I too went with the MS extrudedaluminum hinge vs. the rolled version. As I understand it, it is more thanjust the strength of the rotating part of the hinge but the material that youwill drill through to mount it is much stronger on the MS version. I am readingthat some of these holes are drilled low on the hinge to mount it and the extrastrength is needed in the material to prevent the hinge from bending over.My technical advisor also suggested the stronger hinge. He also suggested I putseveral smaller sections in as Tony Bingelis suggests, but I am not going todo that for several reasons. A couple are that some (Jack Phillips, Mike Cuy)and numerous others are running one continuous piece which is easier to alignand gives you the gapless hinge you need on the ailerons. My technical advisorfelt several smaller hinges would give some redundancy if one section shouldfail and that is the way many certified aircraft ailerons are hinged.Just my thoughts.--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: "bender"
Jeff,Keep in mind that I am not a Model-A expert by any means but I have some thoughtsthat may help. Its funny that you say it looks like most have drilled a holeat the top of the intake manifold for a primer because I can only think ofone that does (need to pay better attention I guess seems theres at least threefrom reading this thread). Most installations Im aware of do not have a primer.Are you having difficulty starting your engine? One Model-A engine I proppedon a Pietenpol had an open intake you could choke by placing your handover it.Most Pietenpols have the enrichener safety wired with the butterfly open but onmine I have it spring loaded open and place a small piece of tubing on the shaftto close the butterfly and choke it while I turn 4 blades. I then removethe tube (placing it on the throttle linkage just to store it) and turn the propthrough 4 to 6 blades to pull the rich mixture into the cylinders. After that,make it hot and give it a throw.For reference, I have an early (1927) engine with babbit bearings, 6.5:1 aluminumhead, Vertex magneto and a washing machine water pump.Disclaimer: My engine has less than 10 hours on it and has not flown yet.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Jeff,Keep in mind that I am not a Model-A expert by any means but I have some thoughtsthat may help. Its funny that you say it looks like most have drilled a holeat the top of the intake manifold for a primer because I can only think ofone that does (need to pay better attention I guess seems theres at least threefrom reading this thread). Most installations Im aware of do not have a primer.Are you having difficulty starting your engine? One Model-A engine I proppedon a Pietenpol had an open intake you could choke by placing your handover it.Most Pietenpols have the enrichener safety wired with the butterfly open but onmine I have it spring loaded open and place a small piece of tubing on the shaftto close the butterfly and choke it while I turn 4 blades. I then removethe tube (placing it on the throttle linkage just to store it) and turn the propthrough 4 to 6 blades to pull the rich mixture into the cylinders. After that,make it hot and give it a throw.For reference, I have an early (1927) engine with babbit bearings, 6.5:1 aluminumhead, Vertex magneto and a washing machine water pump.Disclaimer: My engine has less than 10 hours on it and has not flown yet.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: "BYD"
Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions.Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXPlease Print and Archive!!!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/turn ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Finally an answer to all your turnbuckle questions.Curt MerdanFlower Mound, TXPlease Print and Archive!!!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/turn ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: "bender"
Jeff,I too was worried when I first saw fuel leaking from the carb, but I found thisis normal and in the case of starting the engine desirable after reading abouthow to hand-crank the Model-A automobile.Read steps 5 through 7 at http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/handcrank.htm With the ignition OFF, hold the choke out (fully closed). This will require eithera helper, a pull cord from the lever on the carburetor to the front of thevehicle, or one of those modern undersized and sticky choke rod grommets. (This is where I use a piece of hose) Carefully position the crank in place engaging the ratchet with the crank leftof center in the lower of the two possible positions. Grasp the crank as shownin the photo above, paying close attention to the thumb position below thehandle. Pull the crank to the top briskly but carefully. Repeat with a secondpull.At this point there should be gas running slightly from the carburetor to the floor. Release the choke and turn ON the ignition.This is basically what Im doing with the Piet. Like you, I felt the idea of spillinggas doesnt fit well in todays way of looking at things, but its a smallamount, and if care is taken it shouldn't present a problem. (IMHO)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Jeff,I too was worried when I first saw fuel leaking from the carb, but I found thisis normal and in the case of starting the engine desirable after reading abouthow to hand-crank the Model-A automobile.Read steps 5 through 7 at http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/handcrank.htm With the ignition OFF, hold the choke out (fully closed). This will require eithera helper, a pull cord from the lever on the carburetor to the front of thevehicle, or one of those modern undersized and sticky choke rod grommets. (This is where I use a piece of hose) Carefully position the crank in place engaging the ratchet with the crank leftof center in the lower of the two possible positions. Grasp the crank as shownin the photo above, paying close attention to the thumb position below thehandle. Pull the crank to the top briskly but carefully. Repeat with a secondpull.At this point there should be gas running slightly from the carburetor to the floor. Release the choke and turn ON the ignition.This is basically what Im doing with the Piet. Like you, I felt the idea of spillinggas doesnt fit well in todays way of looking at things, but its a smallamount, and if care is taken it shouldn't present a problem. (IMHO)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel primer "A"
Original Posted By: bender
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But what Brett says is probably right=2C as he has more experience than I. Maybe you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one=2C and also I bought my whole induction set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better=2C since if I give it too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb=2C leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.Dan HelsperPuryear=2C TN-----Original Message-----
I have found that at times it takes a squirt of primer to get going. But what Brett says is probably right=2C as he has more experience than I. Maybe you could leave it off until you decide for yourself? Only reason I put one on is I saw that Ken Perkins had one=2C and also I bought my whole induction set-up from him and the fitting was on there already. It is an 1/8" tube fitting to accept a primer line. Primer by the gascolator should be fine. The primer fitting off to one side is probably better=2C since if I give it too much she drips out from that drain hole on the bottom of the carb=2C leaving fuel stains down the outside of the cowl.Dan HelsperPuryear=2C TN-----Original Message-----