Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges UNCLASSIFIED As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations. "Theresure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if you crash?"Granted he is a nervious nellie who is scared to eat at mom and pop mexican cafesand will not go point into a windowless bar. BUT does he have a point. As Iam putting this back togather, I know that I will cover the edges with foam andreal simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight throughthat if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH! I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it. Any other thoughts?Blue Skies,Steve D.UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
1/4" hard translucent tubing splt. Another split tube overthat of thick hard rubber then your foam and cover.Clif> UNCLASSIFIED> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations. > "There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if > you crash?" I know that I will cover the edges with foam and real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight through that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH!>> Blue Skies,> Steve D.> UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
1/4" hard translucent tubing splt. Another split tube overthat of thick hard rubber then your foam and cover.Clif> UNCLASSIFIED> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations. > "There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if > you crash?" I know that I will cover the edges with foam and real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges could cut straight through that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say 50 MPH!>> Blue Skies,> Steve D.> UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Here are some ideas to address that. Actually that part of it came from advice from Jack Phillips.http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leathe ... 1602921Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Here are some ideas to address that. Actually that part of it came from advice from Jack Phillips.http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/#/leathe ... 1602921Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By:> Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
The smallest garden hose fits inside the hot water pipe insulation. That iswhat is used on my Grega and what I plan to use on my Piet.Skip> [Original Message]
The smallest garden hose fits inside the hot water pipe insulation. That iswhat is used on my Grega and what I plan to use on my Piet.Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: John Woods
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Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
>I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.>Any other thoughts? Don't crash.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
>I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.>Any other thoughts? Don't crash.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
BTW, all those weights are the basic wood only - no hinges or control horns addedyet........--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:21:32 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
BTW, all those weights are the basic wood only - no hinges or control horns addedyet........--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:21:32 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges UNCLASSIFIED I will move that forward in my order of options. So it is now ahead of "be tough!"Steve DOn 09/16/13, taildrags wrote:> > >I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.> >Any other thoughts? > > Don't crash.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 675#408675> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges UNCLASSIFIED I will move that forward in my order of options. So it is now ahead of "be tough!"Steve DOn 09/16/13, taildrags wrote:> > >I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it.> >Any other thoughts? > > Don't crash.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 675#408675> > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights...
Original Posted By:> Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights... UNCLASSIFIEDDan, I hope that this does not offend as being too basic. I am sure that you knowthese things. Remember, we are talking 19 pounds, a few pounds here and afew pounds there and it all adds up. Here is the basic info that I learnt fromweighing my Vtail Bonanza:There will be some difference, Throttle, and swich on left with steps and a mapcase all on the left. Did you leave your Liquor bottle beside the seat on theleft? Make sure the plane is really empty. A 3 pound coat laying on a wingtip can bedrastic. Oil can be empty or at correct level. Just note which ever it is. Empty fuel isbest. Ensure you are on a level surface. Seriously, use a level to check. a few degreescan add up. Then make sure the plane is level, any lean is bad. Callibrate and zero the scales and check them against each other. (Swap sides)Hangar door should be closed. You can't have any wind. Even that light coolingflow blowing over the walls from the neighbors hangar may push down on the tipof one wing and lift on the other side.Make sure nothing is touching the scales but the floor and the tire. Even a rockunder one edge of the scale can throw it off. your hambfisted hands can add10 pounds without trying. Dan, Just relating my experience with weighing my "real" plane. Blue Skies, Steve DOn 09/15/13, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> > Here's a head scratcher. When weighing my plane NX929DH right before inspectionfor flight, left wheel weighed 358 lbs. while the right weighed 339 lbs. That'squite a difference I would say. What's on that side that is so heavy? Subtletiesin the Ford? At the time I had the side-driven mag on that side, but thatdoesn't account for all that weight. Never really figured it out.> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailplane weights... UNCLASSIFIEDDan, I hope that this does not offend as being too basic. I am sure that you knowthese things. Remember, we are talking 19 pounds, a few pounds here and afew pounds there and it all adds up. Here is the basic info that I learnt fromweighing my Vtail Bonanza:There will be some difference, Throttle, and swich on left with steps and a mapcase all on the left. Did you leave your Liquor bottle beside the seat on theleft? Make sure the plane is really empty. A 3 pound coat laying on a wingtip can bedrastic. Oil can be empty or at correct level. Just note which ever it is. Empty fuel isbest. Ensure you are on a level surface. Seriously, use a level to check. a few degreescan add up. Then make sure the plane is level, any lean is bad. Callibrate and zero the scales and check them against each other. (Swap sides)Hangar door should be closed. You can't have any wind. Even that light coolingflow blowing over the walls from the neighbors hangar may push down on the tipof one wing and lift on the other side.Make sure nothing is touching the scales but the floor and the tire. Even a rockunder one edge of the scale can throw it off. your hambfisted hands can add10 pounds without trying. Dan, Just relating my experience with weighing my "real" plane. Blue Skies, Steve DOn 09/15/13, danhelsper(at)aol.com wrote:> > Here's a head scratcher. When weighing my plane NX929DH right before inspectionfor flight, left wheel weighed 358 lbs. while the right weighed 339 lbs. That'squite a difference I would say. What's on that side that is so heavy? Subtletiesin the Ford? At the time I had the side-driven mag on that side, but thatdoesn't account for all that weight. Never really figured it out.> > Dan Helsper> Puryear, TN> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Steve;Seriously, it's good that you're thinking about these things. When Scout wentover on its back in the landing gear collapse, Charlie's forehead impacted theinstrument panel upon impact. This buried the ignition key in his forehead,or tried to. The key broke off, so I guess Charlie's head was harder than thekey, but it left his face a bruised mess for a couple of weeks and the cut drippedblood on the underside of the centersection when the plane came to restinverted.Just something else to think about... protrusions from the panel.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Steve;Seriously, it's good that you're thinking about these things. When Scout wentover on its back in the landing gear collapse, Charlie's forehead impacted theinstrument panel upon impact. This buried the ignition key in his forehead,or tried to. The key broke off, so I guess Charlie's head was harder than thekey, but it left his face a bruised mess for a couple of weeks and the cut drippedblood on the underside of the centersection when the plane came to restinverted.Just something else to think about... protrusions from the panel.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
That's it! He left the liquor bottle by the on the left side.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
That's it! He left the liquor bottle by the on the left side.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Dan,My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but I onlynotice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thoughtthe problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In fact theweight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to due withmore paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don't allweight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complains aboutit either. Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one atLos Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Dan,My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but I onlynotice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thoughtthe problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In fact theweight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to due withmore paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don't allweight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complains aboutit either. Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one atLos Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB"
Heavy spar...makes sense.Wun Wing LoSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 17, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > Dan,> > My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but Ionly notice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thoughtthe problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In factthe weight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to duewith more paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don'tall weight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complainsabout it either. > > Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one atLos Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 739#408739> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Heavy spar...makes sense.Wun Wing LoSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 17, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > Dan,> > My plane has the very same issue. It seems like it would be a problem but Ionly notice the heavy left wheel weight when I have it on the scales. I thoughtthe problem would go away when I rebuilt the plane. But it didn't. In factthe weight difference never changed. I was thinking it had something to duewith more paint on one wing than on the other. Or perhaps that lost whiskey bottle.Nope. None of the above. I can only guess that the wing spars don'tall weight the same. I quit worrying about it, and the plane never complainsabout it either. > > Hey Gary, Maybe this is why one of your wings was lower than the other one atLos Banos? Opps, Did I just type that??? Sorry.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 739#408739> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Pietenpol-List: change of emails UNCLASSIFIEDOK, It is time. The Army has changed my email and I am going to jump ship. Howdo I unsubscribe with this email and resubscribe with my new email?Blue Skies,Steve DUNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:01:11 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Subject: Pietenpol-List: change of emails UNCLASSIFIEDOK, It is time. The Army has changed my email and I am going to jump ship. Howdo I unsubscribe with this email and resubscribe with my new email?Blue Skies,Steve DUNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:01:11 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dan's offbalance Piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Hi All,I am new to the list and just want to say Hi!I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info aspossible.One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates oneside is heavier than the other. I don't recall which side and by how much,but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic.Anyway, enough for now.Kind Regards,Dave Thursby(Simi Valley, CA)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:39:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Hi All,I am new to the list and just want to say Hi!I received my plans from Andrew yesterday and am getting as much info aspossible.One thing I did notice was that the balance info on the plans indicates oneside is heavier than the other. I don't recall which side and by how much,but I thought it interesting in light of the thread on this topic.Anyway, enough for now.Kind Regards,Dave Thursby(Simi Valley, CA)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 12:39:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Post
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Welcome, David! As Rick Holland has already said, buy the Bingelis booksand many of your questions will be answered (even ones you didn't think ofyet). You'll find this group to be friendly and informative, in general.Keep us posted on your progress.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Welcome, David! As Rick Holland has already said, buy the Bingelis booksand many of your questions will be answered (even ones you didn't think ofyet). You'll find this group to be friendly and informative, in general.Keep us posted on your progress.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____
Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Post
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
Awesome! Another California Pietenpol builder.ChrisSacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com _____
Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
I've also noticed my plane weighs unequally fore and aft. the tail isheavier than the nose________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
I've also noticed my plane weighs unequally fore and aft. the tail isheavier than the nose________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: coaming and sharp edges
> Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges
Original Posted By: Rod Wooller
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges >>> UNCLASSIFIED> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations."There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if youcrash?" > > Granted he is a nervious nellie who is scared to eat at mom and popmexican cafes and will not go point into a windowless bar. BUT does he havea point. As I am putting this back togather, I know that I will cover theedges with foam and real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges couldcut straight through that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say50 MPH! > > I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it. Anyother thoughts?> > > Blue Skies,> Steve D.> UNCLASSIFIED>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:29:32 +1200
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: coaming and sharp edges >>> UNCLASSIFIED> As a friend was looking over my bird he made the following observations."There sure are a lot of sharp edged with the aluminum. What happens if youcrash?" > > Granted he is a nervious nellie who is scared to eat at mom and popmexican cafes and will not go point into a windowless bar. BUT does he havea point. As I am putting this back togather, I know that I will cover theedges with foam and real simulated leatherette. But the sharp edges couldcut straight through that if I planted my face against it at, Oh lets say50 MPH! > > I have since thought of adding some small hard plastic trim to it. Anyother thoughts?> > > Blue Skies,> Steve D.> UNCLASSIFIED>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 00:29:32 +1200