Original Posted By: "GrantZ"
Someone please clear this up for me. According to my plans, the rear ash crossbrace marking is in the center of the board. I temporarily placed it in thatposition and measured the other cross struts from there back , and they seemedto work out right. The next question is the front ash board is marked alittle to the rear of center. Is this just bad aim in drawing the plans, or isthere a reason for these two markings?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Extended Fuselage Question
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "aviken"
You could condition it to look experienced.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViTWUL8WasGo to about 3 1/2 minutes.ClifAlways remember to go to other people's funerals.Otherwise, they might not come to yours.Yogi Berra>> thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait > on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what > wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when > it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
You could condition it to look experienced.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViTWUL8WasGo to about 3 1/2 minutes.ClifAlways remember to go to other people's funerals.Otherwise, they might not come to yours.Yogi Berra>> thanks for all the great responses and pictures. makes it exciting to wait > on the thing to get here- not sure just what stain to use or even what > wood they are using o cut it from-should have asked earlier on. but when > it gets here I'll have a better idea of how to go with it now. Raymond________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
When I fly on the skis, 20 degrees for 15-20 minutes isn't bad if you dress forit. Even if I get on the ground for 5-10 minutes and go again. 35 degrees foran hour can be miserable! The longer flights can really start to wear on me.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
When I fly on the skis, 20 degrees for 15-20 minutes isn't bad if you dress forit. Even if I get on the ground for 5-10 minutes and go again. 35 degrees foran hour can be miserable! The longer flights can really start to wear on me.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
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Original Posted By:> jnl96(at)yahoo.com
Likewise. I didn't understand the question=2C either. C> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Likewise. I didn't understand the question=2C either. C> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "GrantZ"
on my plane the only struts are the wing, tail and landing gear. I don't understandwhere or function of fuselage struts. I don't think that my plans have fuselagestruts. might try giving more detail. wish i could help. thanks aboutthe face book tip:-)jim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
on my plane the only struts are the wing, tail and landing gear. I don't understandwhere or function of fuselage struts. I don't think that my plans have fuselagestruts. might try giving more detail. wish i could help. thanks aboutthe face book tip:-)jim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position thepieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left and rightfuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements.Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on theimproved/extended fuselage plans.ThanksGrant ZiebellSavannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Additional info re my question: I am looking for the dimensions to position thepieces ( BP calls them struts on the plans) which go between the left and rightfuselage sides as well as the ash reinforcements.Dimensions are given on the standard fuselage plans but are omitted on theimproved/extended fuselage plans.ThanksGrant ZiebellSavannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My long fuselage plans are at the hangar, so I cannot check to be sure, andthat part of the build was several years ago, but, as I recall, the planshows the fuselage width to be 24", in the cockpit area. The length of those'struts' (x-members) are whatever they need to be to maintain that 24".After you fix the tail posts together, the remaining 'struts' are cut tofit.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
My long fuselage plans are at the hangar, so I cannot check to be sure, andthat part of the build was several years ago, but, as I recall, the planshows the fuselage width to be 24", in the cockpit area. The length of those'struts' (x-members) are whatever they need to be to maintain that 24".After you fix the tail posts together, the remaining 'struts' are cut tofit.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Thanks Gary.Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) locationof the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain Iam missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements.ThanksGrant ZiebellSavannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Gary.Additional clarification. I am looking for the longitudinal (front to back?) locationof the "struts". I understand the length, as you mentioned.I have spent several hours comparing the two fuselage drawings and am certain Iam missing something. I don' want to "guess" on the location of these key elements.ThanksGrant ZiebellSavannah, TNRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someoneelse beats me to it...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Headed to the airport now...I'll get back to you tonight, unless someoneelse beats me to it...Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
GrantNow i see!The front ash cross member is centered where the 2nd and 3rd (from the front) vertical struts on the fuse sides meet at the lower longeron-The second bay back (front cockpit) dimension (fore to aft) I believe is the same for the short and long fuse so you can use the 1933 plans for the placement of the rear ash piece-Those plans show a distance of 27.5" center to center Hope that didn't make it more confusing!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
GrantNow i see!The front ash cross member is centered where the 2nd and 3rd (from the front) vertical struts on the fuse sides meet at the lower longeron-The second bay back (front cockpit) dimension (fore to aft) I believe is the same for the short and long fuse so you can use the 1933 plans for the placement of the rear ash piece-Those plans show a distance of 27.5" center to center Hope that didn't make it more confusing!--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
GrantThis is a somewhat frequent question when building the long fuselage. Tofigure out where to put the cross braces between the two fuselage side forthe long fuselage you need to consult the short fuselage plans. The cross braces go at the same cluster joint as the short. The distanceisn't too critical. Just put them at the center of the cluster. One thingto make sure is the ash cross members need to be the same distance apart asthe distance between the spars. You might find that this puts the rear ashmember at about the center of the rear seat even though it is shown on thefront of the seat on the plans. Several builders, myself included, haveadded a second piece behind the seat so our wing fittings are in the correctlocation.Long fuselage, front ash piece locationhttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/98.jpgHere is the rear ash piece.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... 6.JPGChris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
GrantThis is a somewhat frequent question when building the long fuselage. Tofigure out where to put the cross braces between the two fuselage side forthe long fuselage you need to consult the short fuselage plans. The cross braces go at the same cluster joint as the short. The distanceisn't too critical. Just put them at the center of the cluster. One thingto make sure is the ash cross members need to be the same distance apart asthe distance between the spars. You might find that this puts the rear ashmember at about the center of the rear seat even though it is shown on thefront of the seat on the plans. Several builders, myself included, haveadded a second piece behind the seat so our wing fittings are in the correctlocation.Long fuselage, front ash piece locationhttp://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/98.jpgHere is the rear ash piece.http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%2 ... 6.JPGChris T.Sacramento, CaWestcoastpiet.com-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
my friend has an extended fuse and his is 24 at the cockpit across. he said thatthe fuse is lengthened but not widened. we have no way of confirming if hiswas built to plans. we did measure it. gary will have you his answer later..if his is like my friends the u can almost bet it should be 24 inchesjimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
my friend has an extended fuse and his is 24 at the cockpit across. he said thatthe fuse is lengthened but not widened. we have no way of confirming if hiswas built to plans. we did measure it. gary will have you his answer later..if his is like my friends the u can almost bet it should be 24 inchesjimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
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Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and get helpwith building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its cold outside.I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with thissite and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info but also lotsof bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. one thing I havelearned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have questions and u willhave plenty of them and work on the project every day.jim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
im confused to. I thought we were here like yourself get to get tips and get helpwith building. instead i get 12 e mails on what to wear when its cold outside.I think the subject should be st uck to but no one asked me. stay with thissite and filter out all of the bull shit. there is good info but also lotsof bs that should be handled off site with personal e mails. one thing I havelearned is stay with the plan, call pietenpol if you have questions and u willhave plenty of them and work on the project every day.jim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Thought the question had been answered twice so far-Didn't realize the question had changed to how wide is the fuselage--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thought the question had been answered twice so far-Didn't realize the question had changed to how wide is the fuselage--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Grant,I remember having the same problem when I built my fuselage, but don'tremember the solution. As I recall, the information is really all there onthe drawings but sometimes you have to look at several different sheets toget all the dimensions.I'll have to dig my plans out tomorrow and go over them to see what I did.I think I just made sure the top and bottom pieces were in line with theverticals in the fuselage sides.Here's a picture showing them:Basically, if you put in the cross pieces that define the cockpit (and Ithink those dimensions are given on the plans), then pull the longeronstogether at the tail, the sides will form a fourth order polynomial curvethat the wood naturally wants to hold. I think I just cut the cross piecesto fit that curve. Whatever, it looks right.Be very careful to make sure you have everything lined up perfectly.. Iused plumb bobs and pipe clamps as shown in the picture below. The fuselageis upside down, resting on the upper longerons, with the plumb bobs aligningthe center of the bottom cross braces with the center of the top crossbraces (I had a centerline drawn on the table as well). You can see some ofthe strings used to pull on various parts of the lower longerons to keepeverything in alignment. As Tony Bingelis says, building an airplane isbasically a series of alignment exercises.Don't give up on this website. There's a wealth of good information here,but some of us that built their planes a decade or so ago are busy withother projects now.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Grant,I remember having the same problem when I built my fuselage, but don'tremember the solution. As I recall, the information is really all there onthe drawings but sometimes you have to look at several different sheets toget all the dimensions.I'll have to dig my plans out tomorrow and go over them to see what I did.I think I just made sure the top and bottom pieces were in line with theverticals in the fuselage sides.Here's a picture showing them:Basically, if you put in the cross pieces that define the cockpit (and Ithink those dimensions are given on the plans), then pull the longeronstogether at the tail, the sides will form a fourth order polynomial curvethat the wood naturally wants to hold. I think I just cut the cross piecesto fit that curve. Whatever, it looks right.Be very careful to make sure you have everything lined up perfectly.. Iused plumb bobs and pipe clamps as shown in the picture below. The fuselageis upside down, resting on the upper longerons, with the plumb bobs aligningthe center of the bottom cross braces with the center of the top crossbraces (I had a centerline drawn on the table as well). You can see some ofthe strings used to pull on various parts of the lower longerons to keepeverything in alignment. As Tony Bingelis says, building an airplane isbasically a series of alignment exercises.Don't give up on this website. There's a wealth of good information here,but some of us that built their planes a decade or so ago are busy withother projects now.Good luck!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Grant,Not sure if you got the answers you were looking for yet. Although my Pietis built and flying, I am in no way an expert, such as a person like ChrisTracy. I'm sure there are others, but I know of no-one who has studied theplans longer and more intently, along with lots of peripheral stuff!In no way do I wish to appear cavalier, but I just followed plans...mixedwith some s.w.a.g. and a little of my own interpretation....but I never wasstumped by needed information! My long fuselage plans are only marked, "*Corrected 9-22-94...", and the attached is a snippet. This gives locationsfor the uprights. I merely referred to the original drawings for thex-members.Best of luck to you! Please do not be put off by negative comments aboutthis list. Admittedly, one may have to ask a question more than once...orask a different way. Anyone who says this list is not helpful is full of CRAP!!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Grant,Not sure if you got the answers you were looking for yet. Although my Pietis built and flying, I am in no way an expert, such as a person like ChrisTracy. I'm sure there are others, but I know of no-one who has studied theplans longer and more intently, along with lots of peripheral stuff!In no way do I wish to appear cavalier, but I just followed plans...mixedwith some s.w.a.g. and a little of my own interpretation....but I never wasstumped by needed information! My long fuselage plans are only marked, "*Corrected 9-22-94...", and the attached is a snippet. This gives locationsfor the uprights. I merely referred to the original drawings for thex-members.Best of luck to you! Please do not be put off by negative comments aboutthis list. Admittedly, one may have to ask a question more than once...orask a different way. Anyone who says this list is not helpful is full of CRAP!!Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
Original Posted By: "GrantZ"
I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension.Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables?JackN144JFFord poweredSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
I'm about to assemble the airframe before covering and am curious about cable tension.Do we use 43.13 tensions or is their something special on the cables?JackN144JFFord poweredSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
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Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I don't understand the question or I would try to help my wings are almost done=2C fuse done tail covered and painted=2C center section done. wish I could help you > > jim hyde> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 958#415958> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > > I don't understand the question or I would try to help my wings are almost done=2C fuse done tail covered and painted=2C center section done. wish I could help you > > jim hyde> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 958#415958> > > > > > > ============================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Extended Fuselage Question