Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Hello Good Pietple!As you can see in the this new video "Out and barely back again,"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-_SHt6tj4Iit's time to get a new battery. The first start of the day is sluggish, and I dangednear didnt get er started after fueling up at Covington (which is only thesecond start of the day; see the 3 min mark of the video). I put it on a tricklecharger all night, and this afternoon it basically did the same thing.That's OK, that Odyssey 625 battery is at least 8 years old, and we run it as atotal loss system (no generator/alternator, just a solar charger while on theground; we removed the generator after we had problems with it).Which comes to my Question for The List. Since we at one time had a generator,we installed a master switch with a solenoid. We don't have the charging systemany more, but we still have the master with a solenoid. That danged solenoiddraws a lot of power (relative to anything else we use in the airplane). Sincethe Continental uses a pull starter, does anyone see a reason for me to keepthe solenoid? I'm thinking to change the meager electrical system to have a masterswitch that is just a toggle, with no solenoid. I'd have the battery connecteddirectly to the Continental starter -- the pull starter switch would beacting as a mechanical solenoid. Uncle Tony says this is OK.WHAT SAY YOU?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Question about solenoid and a new video
RE: Pietenpol-List: Question about solenoid and a new video
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright
You taxi fast! Sometimes I do, too, when I have to pee...I tried a fin-mounted camera, but get way too much vibration. Yours isnt bad atall.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
You taxi fast! Sometimes I do, too, when I have to pee...I tried a fin-mounted camera, but get way too much vibration. Yours isnt bad atall.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Question about solenoid and a new video
Original Posted By: "contato (at)kraussaero.com.br"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question about solenoid and a new video
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question about solenoid and a new video
Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video
Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video
Original Posted By: "John Greenlee"
Thanks for the replies. Lots of interesting information!To distill my question to its essence: Is it useful to have a starter solenoidin a pull-starter system? I think that the pull starter set-up acts as a mechanicalstarter solenoid. I'm not coming up with scenarios in which the redundancyof an electrical solenoid in line with the mechanical system is worthwhile.I'm only considering this because I already have a solenoid installed on thefirewall.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks for the replies. Lots of interesting information!To distill my question to its essence: Is it useful to have a starter solenoidin a pull-starter system? I think that the pull starter set-up acts as a mechanicalstarter solenoid. I'm not coming up with scenarios in which the redundancyof an electrical solenoid in line with the mechanical system is worthwhile.I'm only considering this because I already have a solenoid installed on thefirewall.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Hello, Good People,I am in the midst of making new cowlings for my Ford powered Air Camper.The original motor cowl I had assembled with commercial pop rivets-easy todo, and the tools were at hand. I have started wondering whether it shouldbe assembled with aircraft type rivets. This is a non structural part soprobably no real advantage other than cosmetics.My questions for the assembled Pietenpol Brain Trust:1. How much difference would this really make?2. How difficult are the bucked rivets to install?3. What is required tool wise? I have an appropriate compressor andair chisel. Are there appropriate rivet driving tools for the chisel or isa more specialized tool required? Cost of usable tools?Any advice on this topic is appreciated and some of it might even befollowed.Ezra Styles (John Greenlee)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video
Hello, Good People,I am in the midst of making new cowlings for my Ford powered Air Camper.The original motor cowl I had assembled with commercial pop rivets-easy todo, and the tools were at hand. I have started wondering whether it shouldbe assembled with aircraft type rivets. This is a non structural part soprobably no real advantage other than cosmetics.My questions for the assembled Pietenpol Brain Trust:1. How much difference would this really make?2. How difficult are the bucked rivets to install?3. What is required tool wise? I have an appropriate compressor andair chisel. Are there appropriate rivet driving tools for the chisel or isa more specialized tool required? Cost of usable tools?Any advice on this topic is appreciated and some of it might even befollowed.Ezra Styles (John Greenlee)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question about solenoid and a new video