Original Posted By: "contato (at)kraussaero.com.br"
Tom,Received the die yesterday - THANK YOU...!!!Will work great for deep part bends.Thanks, Thx, Thank you, danka....!!!!--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 06:22:50 -0200Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 01/14/15
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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Hey all (or whomever is still out there.)Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sincethe ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic andsteady "exodus" of participants. I for one am less interested in submittingthoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group untilthe last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about mostmornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping mefinish my plane.And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is itdead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol "mouthpieces"around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.Is Brodhead next??!!!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:53:34 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Hey all (or whomever is still out there.)Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that sincethe ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic andsteady "exodus" of participants. I for one am less interested in submittingthoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group untilthe last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about mostmornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping mefinish my plane.And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is itdead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol "mouthpieces"around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.Is Brodhead next??!!!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 10:53:34 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Look at it as a GOOD sign! Everyone's busy building Pietenpols
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Look at it as a GOOD sign! Everyone's busy building Pietenpols
--------KLNCA65-8N2308CAN HardwareAirframe 724TTW72CK-42 SensenichStandard Factory GN-1Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience.Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life gets in the way.Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input.Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to this one for now: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com. One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the web.On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with the help of the Big Man.Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just plain fun.Let me know what you think about the race.-john-> On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:> > Hey all (or whomever is still out there)> > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.> > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.> > Is Brodhead next??!!!> > Douwe> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:28:52 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
BPA is still here and thank you for your patience.Bad news and lame excuses: Been dealing with aging parents, quadriplegic nephews with no health care and a career change. Time really flies when life gets in the way.Good news and moving forward: Career change is good, relatives fairly stable and three issues are in the works, the first of which will mail next week. I look to be caught up and and back to normal by mid - February. Anyone who paid and is owed issues will get them, unlike in the past. Hopefully that will rekindle some interest and input.Other good things: I will be at SNF and will have a booth in the type club tent by the walkway to the antique/classic parking area. I am trying to get a Pietenpol forum on as well. I will get to visit the guys in the wood working area and hope to do an article on the volunteer work they do. An new website is in the works where we will have recent back issues available to members as a pdf file as well as a forum and a social network component. A server switch is also going to happen. I have heard from several people that the BPA email is not working properly. I will update the email there to this one for now: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com. One thing I will need from many of you is a good email address. When taking over from Doc and Dee last year I got good postal addresses but did not get a list of good email addresses. This will be necessary to get you on the web.On a sad note: I did not see it mentioned anywhere that Edward Herrmann passed away last week. Hopefully Ezra Stiles will make that outside loop with the help of the Big Man.Finally: This is the 40th Brodhead gathering this year. I am pitching this in the newsletter out this week about a "Brodhead Cup." It would be a small air race for Pietenpols. It would have several divisions: A-65, Model A, Corvair and an "Open" division that would cover all the of previous divisions and even include GN-1s. It will be a Figure 8 race with a race horse start (just kidding). Actually I was thinking of placing a person at the Monroe airport and we could do a timed run from Brodhead to Monroe and back. This would be for bragging rights and just plain fun.Let me know what you think about the race.-john-> On Jan 16, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:> > Hey all (or whomever is still out there)> > Are we witnessing the slow death of our Pietenpol list? It seems that since the ugliness and contention of while back, there has been a drastic and steady =9Cexodus=9D of participants. I for one am less interested in submitting thoughts and ideas. Such a shame, it was always such a great group until the last couple of years. Reading the list was my favorite thing about most mornings and a great way to start the day to say nothing of helping me finish my plane.> > And, whatever happened to the BPA?? (Brodhead Pietenpol Association) Is it dead too? Seems that very soon, there will be no Pietenpol =9Cmouthpieces=9D around anymore which will likely impact an already shrinking following.> > Is Brodhead next??!!!> > Douwe> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:28:52 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
John,You are a trooper for taking all this on! We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me.Gary BootheNX308MB
John,You are a trooper for taking all this on! We need bragging rights? Someone should have told me.Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I look and read it all the time. Just don=99t post much unless I have something to add.JerrySky Classic
I look and read it all the time. Just don=99t post much unless I have something to add.JerrySky Classic
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Like in everything aviation, some have =9Cbought the airport=9D in the last few years. Maybe many have reached the point where questions aren=99t as necessary as before, hopefully. You never really know. I still have a lot of questions as I go, so hopefully the list will last. On a brighter note, the Scrounge Dawg Aviation Pietenpol that EAA chapter 64 of metro St.Louis/Illinois built is flying and has 32 hrs flown off and we are working on the minor things, like making the tach work, small squawks the inspector found like cable standoffs, etc. We plan to have it at Brodhead this year. Hoped to last year but couldn=99t quite get it all done in time. Looking forward to it since I blew off a trip to Colorado with my better half to attend Brodhead.Dennis
Like in everything aviation, some have =9Cbought the airport=9D in the last few years. Maybe many have reached the point where questions aren=99t as necessary as before, hopefully. You never really know. I still have a lot of questions as I go, so hopefully the list will last. On a brighter note, the Scrounge Dawg Aviation Pietenpol that EAA chapter 64 of metro St.Louis/Illinois built is flying and has 32 hrs flown off and we are working on the minor things, like making the tach work, small squawks the inspector found like cable standoffs, etc. We plan to have it at Brodhead this year. Hoped to last year but couldn=99t quite get it all done in time. Looking forward to it since I blew off a trip to Colorado with my better half to attend Brodhead.Dennis
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug),weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busyat the beginning of the semester.Waaa!Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeff ... ______Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:46:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Its time of year and weather for me. Its cold and flu season (I caught the superbug),weve had many WEEKS of IFR wx. Im gone for the holidays and Im very busyat the beginning of the semester.Waaa!Also, I just bought the attached and it's keeping me busy.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jeff ... ______Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:46:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I think there are a number of reasons list traffic is down. I=99ve been on this list since it started back in about 1997 (after Steve Eldridge got tired of hosting it on his BYU address). In those days, the internet was fairly new and there were not a lot of sources for information about Pietenpols. There was the BPA, which in those days was the Buckeye Pietenpol Association, ostensibly for Ohio based Piet aficionados, and there was the Matronics list. I belonged to both and got a lot of good information from both of them. I anxiously scanned my inbox every day to see what gems awaited me. I also made many new friends from the list, including Mike Cuy, John Hofmann, Bill Church, Rob Busch, Glenn Thomas, Matt Paxton and Gene Rambo. I=99ve made many more friends at Brodhead, such as Kevin Purtee, Dan Helsper, Jack Textor, Gary Boothe, the list just goes on and on.I had started my Pietenpol project in early 1996. I finally finished and flew it in October 2004, a little over 10 years ago. Since that time I=99ve flown it to Brodhead 5 times, and on to Oshkosh 3 times. I=99ve always enjoyed having it on display at Brodhead, watching folks take pictures of it and crawl under and over it to see how I did things. I doubt that I will fly it to Brodhead again. The route from my home in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia is fairly rugged until I cross the Ohio River into the Midwest, where the flying is easy. If I lose the engine over West Virginia, I might survive but the airplane would not. And even though avgas prices have come down some, it still costs me close to $1,000 in gas to make the round trip. But the main reason is that there are a lot of new, well built Pietenpols, such as Dan Helsper=99s and Douwe=99s and Matt Paxton=99s and Gene Rambo=99s (if he ever flies his there) around now that deserve their time in the limelight.As for the list, it has been a long time now since someone asked a question that has not been answered countless times in the archives. I know it=99s not as much fun to search the archives as it is to just ask the question and wait for the answer, but many of us =9Cold timers=9D get tired of answering the same questions over and over. Like Jerry Dotson, I read every post that comes through on this list =93 I just choose to let someone else answer.There is so much diversity in Pietenpols and Pietenpol construction that I=99m beginning to be more like William Wynne and just focus on the safety aspects. The Pietenpol is an inherently safe design, as long as it is properly built with good materials and rigged so as to operate in the proven CG range. I tend these days to not comment too much unless I see someone doing something that is just unsafe.But as for the BPA Newsetter, one thing that us =9COld Guard=9D types can do is write articles on areas of Pietenpol construction where we have some expertise. I will try to write a couple about parts of my Pietenpol that are somewhat unique and pass them on to John Hofmann to ease his burden somewhat.Remember that building an airplane is a remarkable experience. Airplane pilots represent less than 0.5% of the population. Pilots who start to build their own airplanes are only about 10% of the pilot population, and those that actually FINISH building a plane are probably less than half of that, so only about 0.025% of the population. You are in a very unique group!So keep building, and try to not get too snarky with your comments. One of the problems with the internet is that some humor simply doesn=99t come across as well as it does in a live discussion, with the result that people can get their feelings hurt unintentionally. With all the problems with this list, it is still the best list I=99ve seen on the internet, with more true friendships spawned and more good information shared. Try the RV-10 list if you want to see one that is dysfunctional.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
I think there are a number of reasons list traffic is down. I=99ve been on this list since it started back in about 1997 (after Steve Eldridge got tired of hosting it on his BYU address). In those days, the internet was fairly new and there were not a lot of sources for information about Pietenpols. There was the BPA, which in those days was the Buckeye Pietenpol Association, ostensibly for Ohio based Piet aficionados, and there was the Matronics list. I belonged to both and got a lot of good information from both of them. I anxiously scanned my inbox every day to see what gems awaited me. I also made many new friends from the list, including Mike Cuy, John Hofmann, Bill Church, Rob Busch, Glenn Thomas, Matt Paxton and Gene Rambo. I=99ve made many more friends at Brodhead, such as Kevin Purtee, Dan Helsper, Jack Textor, Gary Boothe, the list just goes on and on.I had started my Pietenpol project in early 1996. I finally finished and flew it in October 2004, a little over 10 years ago. Since that time I=99ve flown it to Brodhead 5 times, and on to Oshkosh 3 times. I=99ve always enjoyed having it on display at Brodhead, watching folks take pictures of it and crawl under and over it to see how I did things. I doubt that I will fly it to Brodhead again. The route from my home in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia is fairly rugged until I cross the Ohio River into the Midwest, where the flying is easy. If I lose the engine over West Virginia, I might survive but the airplane would not. And even though avgas prices have come down some, it still costs me close to $1,000 in gas to make the round trip. But the main reason is that there are a lot of new, well built Pietenpols, such as Dan Helsper=99s and Douwe=99s and Matt Paxton=99s and Gene Rambo=99s (if he ever flies his there) around now that deserve their time in the limelight.As for the list, it has been a long time now since someone asked a question that has not been answered countless times in the archives. I know it=99s not as much fun to search the archives as it is to just ask the question and wait for the answer, but many of us =9Cold timers=9D get tired of answering the same questions over and over. Like Jerry Dotson, I read every post that comes through on this list =93 I just choose to let someone else answer.There is so much diversity in Pietenpols and Pietenpol construction that I=99m beginning to be more like William Wynne and just focus on the safety aspects. The Pietenpol is an inherently safe design, as long as it is properly built with good materials and rigged so as to operate in the proven CG range. I tend these days to not comment too much unless I see someone doing something that is just unsafe.But as for the BPA Newsetter, one thing that us =9COld Guard=9D types can do is write articles on areas of Pietenpol construction where we have some expertise. I will try to write a couple about parts of my Pietenpol that are somewhat unique and pass them on to John Hofmann to ease his burden somewhat.Remember that building an airplane is a remarkable experience. Airplane pilots represent less than 0.5% of the population. Pilots who start to build their own airplanes are only about 10% of the pilot population, and those that actually FINISH building a plane are probably less than half of that, so only about 0.025% of the population. You are in a very unique group!So keep building, and try to not get too snarky with your comments. One of the problems with the internet is that some humor simply doesn=99t come across as well as it does in a live discussion, with the result that people can get their feelings hurt unintentionally. With all the problems with this list, it is still the best list I=99ve seen on the internet, with more true friendships spawned and more good information shared. Try the RV-10 list if you want to see one that is dysfunctional.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Douwe,I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the week.I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two. I have beenlooking at the number counter on each thread to see how many times it wasviewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it is the same fourpeople looking at them or if we just have a bunch of lurkers now. I for onewould hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure helps me stay driven each dayto keep flying my plane. The local airport activity keeps drying up and peopledisappearing from the airports. I even notice it at airports other than mine.Nobody doing anything anymore.So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or justplain less activity by everyone being the root cause. By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just being quitebut still reading. Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little guys,so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:22:48 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Douwe,I have been reading what little has been posted most every day during the week.I have even made a few entries trying to answer a question or two. I have beenlooking at the number counter on each thread to see how many times it wasviewed. To my surprise, The counts are high. Not sure if it is the same fourpeople looking at them or if we just have a bunch of lurkers now. I for onewould hate to see this dye a slow death. It sure helps me stay driven each dayto keep flying my plane. The local airport activity keeps drying up and peopledisappearing from the airports. I even notice it at airports other than mine.Nobody doing anything anymore.So, for me it is hard to say if it is the friction the last year or so, or justplain less activity by everyone being the root cause. By the looks of the number of responses you have I think most are just being quitebut still reading. Lets not let a good (GREAT) thing fail. Aviation started with us little guys,so I think it is up to us little guys to keep it alive.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:22:48 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
Original Posted By:baum=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A Charles N. Campbell
Hard to say of BPA is dying or not... I don't think it is. Certainly there has been some turn over. And it is winter - so less building. Aviation is always in flux. I do lurk on the site - because I think Piets are a very nostalgic and endearing aircraft and represent the spirit of flight better than most modern aircraft.=0A=0A=0AMy own Piet project languished as life filled up, so I bequeathed it to a better home - and hopefully those parts will be flying someday soon. Until then - I'll keep stopping by Brodhead every summer not he way to Oshkosh=0A=0A=0ACheers=0AJonathan Apfel
Hard to say of BPA is dying or not... I don't think it is. Certainly there has been some turn over. And it is winter - so less building. Aviation is always in flux. I do lurk on the site - because I think Piets are a very nostalgic and endearing aircraft and represent the spirit of flight better than most modern aircraft.=0A=0A=0AMy own Piet project languished as life filled up, so I bequeathed it to a better home - and hopefully those parts will be flying someday soon. Until then - I'll keep stopping by Brodhead every summer not he way to Oshkosh=0A=0A=0ACheers=0AJonathan Apfel