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Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Hello. My name is Bill Kendrick from San Antonio, TX. I am new to the list andjust wanted to introduce myself. I made the decision a few weeks ago to starta Pietenpol build. I have only constructed my work benches and purchased theset of plans. I plan to start with the fuselage but have not purchased anymaterials yet. Can any of you offer suggestions as to what to purchase firstregarding lumber? I have priced the A.S. fuselage kit ($1085 I believe) butwas wondering if the bargain bag would be a better way to go given the much lowerprice. I guess my question is will there be enough footage in the bargainbag (or multiple bargain bags) to do the fuselage or at least get started?Thanks,BillRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Oh, sorry, just saw location. Is Alamo hardwoods still in business? Used to bethe best stocked lumberyard I EVER saw. Probably has spruce...ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 16:08:23 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Hi Bill,You can NOT build a fuselage from bargain bags of spruce from Aircraft Spruce.The wood in the bargain bags is all good quality Sitka, but every piece is arandom size, obtained from offcuts. The longest pieces in the bargain bag are5 feet in length, with thicknesses varying from 1/4" to 1". The longerons ofthe fuselage are 1" x 1" x about 16 feet long.Having said that, one or two "bargain bags" would be a wise purchase if you'rebuilding a Piet, (assuming you have a table saw, or some means to re-saw to thesizes you need).Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Steve: there are only two types of people in aviation: high-wingers and low-wingers.In south Texas, high-wingers have shade wherever they go ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Original Posted By: "taildrags"
At the risk of getting Dan Helsper mad at me, I'm going to post a picture of hiswing turner because it is based on the same principle as WF2's wing-turningrotisserie but Dan's is made mostly of wood. Of course, his was almost a necessitysince he built his wing all as one piece and turning that thing over requiresa lot more work and planning than just handling one wing panel at a time.You'll get the gist of it from the photo. Basically a sturdy "chassis" on castersso you can move it around in the shop. On each end of the chassis are somesort of rollers in which two large circular jigs can roll. The wing assemblyis attached to the circular jigs with struts onto the wing mounting points andthe whole thing can be turned to any angle needed to work the fabric, paint,ribs, or whatever else.At the conclusion of the project it can be used as a huge rotisserie at the "firstflight cookout", and is large enough to hold more grillable things than youcan imagine. If you make yours out of wood, you'll need to grill fast and planfor just a single cookout. Metal ones might be good for more grilling sessions.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of being onthis list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world and I am muchthe richer for it. My intention in making the statement that the world doesnot owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a duty to help in oursuccess does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and help when we can. It certainlydoes NOT mean that we shouldn't try, either. It just means that sometimeswe get individual ideas and visions in our heads and we push forward withthem no matter what the world around us says. In those cases, we just haveto do what is in our hearts and heads to do, and failure is certainly an optionwhen we buck the trend and the best advice and just push forward anyway. Infact, sometimes our instinct tells us that something probably won't work butwe have to try it to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find out howwe might be able to make it work. I know this is how "Aviken" feels with hisJeep engine Air Camper project, and how some of the rest of you feel with yourpersonalized, "different", custom, unusual, or unorthodox approaches to things.I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it, because hedoesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or Home Depot orHarbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a credit card availableto him. He has a dream and he put it together the best way he knew how,with what he had available, in spite of what he DIDN'T have. We laugh when wewatch the video and the prop flies off just after he fires up the engine, butdeep inside we didn't want it to just end there. Maybe we would still havelaughed if a wheel fell off after he warmed it up and taxied out, or if any numberof other awkward things would have happened later- but the video would havegone absolutely viral if his rig would have made it to the runway, and he throttledit up, and he stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway farenough to where it came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of air underthe tires for even just a few seconds before something else happened and itcame crashing back to the ground. And granted, with as much questionable stuffas he had on it, there is no doubt that it would have come down sooner ratherthan later.We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what he felt,because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the fraternityof aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put his heartand soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Semih Oksay
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video

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Original Posted By:> taildrags
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type videoIMHO very well said Oscar.Semih=8B2015-11-09 8:57 GMT+02:00 Boatright, Jeffrey :> Hi Oscar,>> I didn=99t intend to take anyone down a notch =94 especially you! OTOH, I have> to say that I *am* glad that my poor attempt at humor resulted in you> posting the text below. It says a lot of how I am thinking about this guy> (and others I=99ve met in very poor countries who had different dreams but> now less challenging).>> Thanks,>> Jeff>>
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video

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Original Posted By: Semih Oksay
Oscar and Jeff,I have made email contact with Asmelash Zeferu in Africa, thanks to Ryan' s sleuthing!I sent you a copy of my email to him giving him directions to join thePIETENPOL Forum. I hope that if he joins the Forum, our members will be helpfuland recognize the great effort he has gone through under very trying circumstances.I have lived in similar countries with like resources, so I recognizehis determination! We should be able to offer helpful encouragement.He says he has calculated the W/B. Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 8, 2015, at 10:02 PM, taildrags wrote:> > > Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of beingon this list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world and I ammuch the richer for it. My intention in making the statement that the worlddoes not owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a duty to help inour success does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and help when we can. Itcertainly does NOT mean that we shouldn't try, either. It just means that sometimeswe get individual ideas and visions in our heads and we push forward withthem no matter what the world around us says. In those cases, we just haveto do what is in our hearts and heads to do, and failure is certainly an optionwhen we buck the trend and the best advice and just push forward anyway. In fact, sometimes our instinct tells us that something probably won't work butwe have to try it to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find out howwe might be able to make it work. I know this is h!> ow "Aviken" feels with his Jeep engine Air Camper project, and how some of therest of you feel with your personalized, "different", custom, unusual, or unorthodoxapproaches to things.> > I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it, because hedoesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or Home Depotor Harbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a credit card availableto him. He has a dream and he put it together the best way he knew how,with what he had available, in spite of what he DIDN'T have. We laugh whenwe watch the video and the prop flies off just after he fires up the engine,but deep inside we didn't want it to just end there. Maybe we would still havelaughed if a wheel fell off after he warmed it up and taxied out, or if anynumber of other awkward things would have happened later- but the video wouldhave gone absolutely viral if his rig would have made it to the runway, and hethrottled it up, and he stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway farenough to where it came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of airunder the tires for even just a few seconds before som!> ething else happened and it came crashing back to the ground. And granted, withas much questionable stuff as he had on it, there is no doubt that it wouldhave come down sooner rather than later.> > We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what he felt,because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the fraternityof aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.> > Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put his heartand soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 007#449007> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video

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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type videoOk. I think I have a few words to say: =8BI am building my Piet in a countrywhich is slightly better than Ethiopia in aircraft materials.This is based on my lifetime experience: If someone asks for help, do it.If not, forget it.Question: does Asmelash Zeferu speak (or at least understand) English?If he seeks help, I am sure he can reach it. You guys (Ray) say he has ane-mail, this means he has access to internet. Since I am closer to Africacompared to you guys, I think I know them better. There is no difference inbetween the people of this planet. There are good, curious and productiveguys and there are others. So IMHO if we can communicate with him and he isopn to advice, we should do what we can.Please forgive the philosophyRegardsSemih2015-11-09 20:06 GMT+02:00 Ray Krause :> raykrause(at)frontiernet.net>>> Oscar and Jeff,>> I have made email contact with Asmelash Zeferu in Africa, thanks to Ryan'> s sleuthing! I sent you a copy of my email to him giving him directions to> join the PIETENPOL Forum. I hope that if he joins the Forum, our members> will be helpful and recognize the great effort he has gone through under> very trying circumstances. I have lived in similar countries with like> resources, so I recognize his determination! We should be able to offer> helpful encouragement.>> He says he has calculated the W/B.>> Thanks,>> Ray Krause>> Sent from my iPad>> > On Nov 8, 2015, at 10:02 PM, taildrags wrote:> >m> >> >> > Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of> being on this list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world> and I am much the richer for it. My intention in making the statement that> the world does not owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a> duty to help in our success does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and> help when we can. It certainly does NOT mean that we shouldn't try,> either. It just means that sometimes we get individual ideas and visions> in our heads and we push forward with them no matter what the world around> us says. In those cases, we just have to do what is in our hearts and> heads to do, and failure is certainly an option when we buck the trend and> the best advice and just push forward anyway. In fact, sometimes our> instinct tells us that something probably won't work but we have to try it> to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find out how we might be> able to make it work. I know this is!> h!> > ow "Aviken" feels with his Jeep engine Air Camper project, and how some> of the rest of you feel with your personalized, "different", custom,> unusual, or unorthodox approaches to things.> >> > I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it,> because he doesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or> Home Depot or Harbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a> credit card available to him. He has a dream and he put it together the> best way he knew how, with what he had available, in spite of what he> DIDN'T have. We laugh when we watch the video and the prop flies off just> after he fires up the engine, but deep inside we didn't want it to just end> there. Maybe we would still have laughed if a wheel fell off after he> warmed it up and taxied out, or if any number of other awkward things would> have happened later- but the video would have gone absolutely viral if his> rig would have made it to the runway, and he throttled it up, and he> stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway far enough to where it> came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of air under the tires> for even just a few seconds before s!> om!> > ething else happened and it came crashing back to the ground. And> granted, with as much questionable stuff as he had on it, there is no doubt> that it would have come down sooner rather than later.> >> > We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what> he felt, because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the> fraternity of aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.> >> > Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put> his heart and soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.> >> > --------> > Oscar Zuniga> > Medford, OR> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> > A75 power> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 007#449007> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>=======================================================>>-- Semih Oksay________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Ray in response to your note to Asmelash I signed him up for the Pietenpol pageand sent him a note with that info and the EAA site.Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Nov 9, 2015, at 12:06 PM, Ray Krause wrote:> > > Oscar and Jeff,> > I have made email contact with Asmelash Zeferu in Africa, thanks to Ryan' s sleuthing!I sent you a copy of my email to him giving him directions to join thePIETENPOL Forum. I hope that if he joins the Forum, our members will be helpfuland recognize the great effort he has gone through under very trying circumstances.I have lived in similar countries with like resources, so I recognizehis determination! We should be able to offer helpful encouragement.> > He says he has calculated the W/B. > > Thanks,> > Ray Krause> > Sent from my iPad> >> On Nov 8, 2015, at 10:02 PM, taildrags wrote:>> >> >> Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of beingon this list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world and I ammuch the richer for it. My intention in making the statement that the worlddoes not owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a duty to help inour success does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and help when we can. Itcertainly does NOT mean that we shouldn't try, either. It just means that sometimeswe get individual ideas and visions in our heads and we push forwardwith them no matter what the world around us says. In those cases, we just haveto do what is in our hearts and heads to do, and failure is certainly an optionwhen we buck the trend and the best advice and just push forward anyway.In fact, sometimes our instinct tells us that something probably won't work butwe have to try it to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find outhow we might be able to make it work. I know this is!> h!>> ow "Aviken" feels with his Jeep engine Air Camper project, and how some of therest of you feel with your personalized, "different", custom, unusual, or unorthodoxapproaches to things.>> >> I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it, becausehe doesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or Home Depotor Harbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a credit card availableto him. He has a dream and he put it together the best way he knew how,with what he had available, in spite of what he DIDN'T have. We laugh whenwe watch the video and the prop flies off just after he fires up the engine,but deep inside we didn't want it to just end there. Maybe we would still havelaughed if a wheel fell off after he warmed it up and taxied out, or if anynumber of other awkward things would have happened later- but the video wouldhave gone absolutely viral if his rig would have made it to the runway, and hethrottled it up, and he stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway farenough to where it came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of airunder the tires for even just a few seconds before s!> om!>> ething else happened and it came crashing back to the ground. And granted,with as much questionable stuff as he had on it, there is no doubt that it wouldhave come down sooner rather than later.>> >> We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what hefelt, because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the fraternityof aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.>> >> Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put his heartand soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.>> >> -------->> Oscar Zuniga>> Medford, OR>> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> A75 power>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 007#449007> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video

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Seminar,Asmelash writes in perfect English and has internet access. I'm sure he will be on the Forum right away. I will ask him if it is OK to share his email address.Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Semih Oksay wrote:> > Ok. I think I have a few words to say: =8BI am building my Piet in a country which is slightly better than Ethiopia in aircraft materials.> This is based on my lifetime experience: If someone asks for help, do it. If not, forget it.> Question: does Asmelash Zeferu speak (or at least understand) English?> If he seeks help, I am sure he can reach it. You guys (Ray) say he has an e-mail, this means he has access to internet. Since I am closer to Africa compared to you guys, I think I know them better. There is no difference in between the people of this planet. There are good, curious and productive guys and there are others. So IMHO if we can communicate with him and he is opn to advice, we should do what we can.> > Please forgive the philosophy> > Regards> > Semih> > 2015-11-09 20:06 GMT+02:00 Ray Krause :et>>> >> Oscar and Jeff,>> >> I have made email contact with Asmelash Zeferu in Africa, thanks to Ryan' s sleuthing! I sent you a copy of my email to him giving him directions to join the PIETENPOL Forum. I hope that if he joins the Forum, our members will be helpful and recognize the great effort he has gone through under very trying circumstances. I have lived in similar countries with like resources, so I recognize his determination! We should be able to offer helpful encouragement.>> >> He says he has calculated the W/B.>> >> Thanks,>> >> Ray Krause>> >> Sent from my iPad>> >> > On Nov 8, 2015, at 10:02 PM, taildrags wrote:>> >m>>> >>> > Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of being on this list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world and I am much the richer for it. My intention in making the statement that the world does not owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a duty to help in our success does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and help when we can. It certainly does NOT mean that we shouldn't try, either. It just means that sometimes we get individual ideas and visions in our heads and we push forward with them no matter what the world around us says. In those cases, we just have to do what is in our hearts and heads to do, and failure is certainly an option when we buck the trend and the best advice and just push forward anyway. In fact, sometimes our instinct tells us that something probably won't work but we have to try it to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find out how we might be able to make it work. I know this is!>> h!>> > ow "Aviken" feels with his Jeep engine Air Camper project, and how some of the rest of you feel with your personalized, "different", custom, unusual, or unorthodox approaches to things.>> >>> > I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it, because he doesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or Home Depot or Harbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a credit card available to him. He has a dream and he put it together the best way he knew how, with what he had available, in spite of what he DIDN'T have. We laugh when we watch the video and the prop flies off just after he fires up the engine, but deep inside we didn't want it to just end there. Maybe we would still have laughed if a wheel fell off after he warmed it up and taxied out, or if any number of other awkward things would have happened later- but the video would have gone absolutely viral if his rig would have made it to the runway, and he throttled it up, and he stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway far enough to where it came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of air under the tires for even just a few seconds before s!>> om!>> > ething else happened and it came crashing back to the ground. And granted, with as much questionable stuff as he had on it, there is no doubt that it would have come down sooner rather than later.>> >>> > We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what he felt, because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the fraternity of aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.>> >>> > Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put his heart and soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.>> >>> > -------->> > Oscar Zuniga>> > Medford, OR>> > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout">> > A75 power>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > Read this topic online here:>> >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 007#449007>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ==========>> br> fts!)>> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">www.buildersbooks.com>> target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> ==========>> br> enpol-List" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> ==========>> FORUMS ->> _blank" rel="noreferrer">http://forums.matronics.com>> ==========>> b Site ->> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.>> target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> ==========> > > > -- > Semih Oksay________________________________________________________________________________
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Bill, I agree with you on all the reasons not to use aluminum, but I wonder whatthe reference to aluminum is on the wing drawing in the flying and glider manual?Personally, I will probably just use the best quality ply I can find, applyit in the middle or upper humidity range I expect it to live in on average(so if any change occurs it will err towards tightening) and then seal it asap.--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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Ray,Thanks for contacting him. I do not have facebook. It is great that he is offered this site as another resource to him. We need to also let him know about www.westcoastpiet.com as well. As others have said, if he reaches out to us, we should do everything we can tohelp him with his quest. Asmelash has great ambition and a great drive. He has proven that to me. WhenI look at the Youtube video, I can't help but wonder which of all those youngfaces in that group he is influencing????? I wonder who influenced him? I wonderif a plane from this group is what gave him inspiration? Maybe he had seenMike Cuy's, Gary Boothe's, Tools, or even my plane? Hard to say. But we allare the guys and gals who are keeping Bernie Pietenpol's dream alive. It lookslike it may be his turn in Africa to keep the dream alive. I hope to see him on this forum asking questions. Cheers all,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video
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> To: "pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com" > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethiopian Piet type video>>> Jeff (Boatright)- thank you for taking me down a notch. As a result of> being on this list I have low and slow aviation friends all over the world> and I am much the richer for it. My intention in making the statement that> the world does not owe me (or any other experimental aircraft builder) a> duty to help in our success does not mean that we shouldn't jump in and> help when we can. It certainly does NOT mean that we shouldn't try,> either. It just means that sometimes we get individual ideas and visions> in our heads and we push forward with them no matter what the world around> us says. In those cases, we just have to do what is in our hearts and> heads to do, and failure is certainly an option when we buck the trend and> the best advice and just push forward anyway. In fact, sometimes our> instinct tells us that something probably won't work but we have to try it> to see why it doesn't work and to see if we can find out how we might be> able to make it work. I know this is h!> ow "Aviken" feels with his Jeep engine Air Camper project, and how some of> the rest of you feel with your personalized, "different", custom, unusual,> or unorthodox approaches to things.>> I think that the Ethiopian chap did what he did, the way he did it,> because he doesn't have a Wicks, or an Aircraft Spruce, or even a Lowe's or> Home Depot or Harbor Freight, or an eBay, or Amazon, or Barnstormers, or a> credit card available to him. He has a dream and he put it together the> best way he knew how, with what he had available, in spite of what he> DIDN'T have. We laugh when we watch the video and the prop flies off just> after he fires up the engine, but deep inside we didn't want it to just end> there. Maybe we would still have laughed if a wheel fell off after he> warmed it up and taxied out, or if any number of other awkward things would> have happened later- but the video would have gone absolutely viral if his> rig would have made it to the runway, and he throttled it up, and he> stumbled and bumbled and bumped it down the runway far enough to where it> came up onto the mains and got even a foot or two of air under the tires> for even just a few seconds before som!> ething else happened and it came crashing back to the ground. And> granted, with as much questionable stuff as he had on it, there is no doubt> that it would have come down sooner rather than later.>> We would have cheered the fact that he flew it. We would have felt what> he felt, because we have felt it too. We would have welcomed him into the> fraternity of aviators, because he earned it. And maybe he will.>> Far be it from me to deprive this man from any part of what he has put his> heart and soul to do, and to attempt. I hope he makes it.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ==========>>> ------------------------------>> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly> prohibited.>> If you have received this message in error, please contact> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the> original message (including attachments).>-- Semih Oksay________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:25:45 -0800
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