Original Posted By: "Rick Schreiber"
I made a quarter wave antenna from a piece of coax.. It's mounted along the leftspar inside the wing. So far it works pretty good. Better if I'm going towardor away from a "station" it looses a bit directly from the side. JeffSDFRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Bungee
Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I now have 20 hrs and dozens of landings in my wood gear, straight axle Piet. Sofar I have not trimmed my bungees to the final length until I was sure I hadthe tension right. All seems fine, except for my landing experience [Laughing]My question is about the clamps for the bungee wraps. I know some have usedhose clamps, some use safety wire, some steel panduit cable ties and finally plasticcable ties. Currently I am using 4 plastic cable ties on each side. I wasgoing to just do this temporarily, but they do seem to be holding OK. Whatis the consensus? Will the plastic cable ties hold up OK, especially if the bungeesand clamps are replaced every 2 or 3 yearsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I now have 20 hrs and dozens of landings in my wood gear, straight axle Piet. Sofar I have not trimmed my bungees to the final length until I was sure I hadthe tension right. All seems fine, except for my landing experience [Laughing]My question is about the clamps for the bungee wraps. I know some have usedhose clamps, some use safety wire, some steel panduit cable ties and finally plasticcable ties. Currently I am using 4 plastic cable ties on each side. I wasgoing to just do this temporarily, but they do seem to be holding OK. Whatis the consensus? Will the plastic cable ties hold up OK, especially if the bungeesand clamps are replaced every 2 or 3 yearsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear BungeeRick, my knowledge/experience common harbor freight/AutoZone/army supplyzip ties/cable ties is that they get brittle fast with sun exposure. Theyalso get brittle with heat and time. When they get stiff and brittle, theysnap with no warning. There are higher quality uv resistant ties. Also, ifyou cover them they will last longer. I would use them and replace them atthe first sign of getting brittle. But maybe use two and stagger when yreplace them.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Gear BungeeRick, my knowledge/experience common harbor freight/AutoZone/army supplyzip ties/cable ties is that they get brittle fast with sun exposure. Theyalso get brittle with heat and time. When they get stiff and brittle, theysnap with no warning. There are higher quality uv resistant ties. Also, ifyou cover them they will last longer. I would use them and replace them atthe first sign of getting brittle. But maybe use two and stagger when yreplace them.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "tools"
Rick,I personally do not trust the plastic ties. They will and do break. I would usea metal device of your choice to secure the bungees. Having a bungee comeunwrapped at the wrong time could be very costly and painful. My three cents, Now what do others think?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Rick,I personally do not trust the plastic ties. They will and do break. I would usea metal device of your choice to secure the bungees. Having a bungee comeunwrapped at the wrong time could be very costly and painful. My three cents, Now what do others think?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I'm with Scott. The cable ties will fail. I use hose clamps, but they are ugly.A more vintage look would be stainless safety wire. Hog rings would be finetoo. ToolsWho just put on a fourth set of bungees. I'm coming to the conclusion that everyyear is not too often. I've gotten to where it only takes 45 minutes startto finish. I think a spreader of some sort, like dan helsper has, would increaselife dramatically.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I'm with Scott. The cable ties will fail. I use hose clamps, but they are ugly.A more vintage look would be stainless safety wire. Hog rings would be finetoo. ToolsWho just put on a fourth set of bungees. I'm coming to the conclusion that everyyear is not too often. I've gotten to where it only takes 45 minutes startto finish. I think a spreader of some sort, like dan helsper has, would increaselife dramatically.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "Rick Schreiber"
My experience seems to have been different from everyone else's.I've been flying for four years using the large plastic zip-ties that aresold for heating/ac duct work. they are really huge and you need a specialtool to ratchet them up tight. I'm replacing my bungees this year onlybecause I'm replacing my axle. Upon removal, they all look in excellentcondition and none have loosened. I have four of the ties on each "end" ofthe bungee and I simply cannot see all four breaking at once. This shouldbe a routine part of your inspection, regardless of how you fix your bungeesin place, so if one or even two gave out, you should see it.Regarding plastic degrading in sunlight, let's be realistic here. In theorythis is a valid point, but in my opinion a moot point in this regard. Idon't know of a single piet that is hangared outdoors, and when they AREoutdoors for extended periods of time (maybe three days at Brodhead?) thenumber of hours the sun is getting past the fuselage and wheels to actuallybath the zip ties on the bungies in UV is pretty minimal. I would NOT use regular zip ties, but my experience is the big ones workfine. As do the other techniques mentioned, including a few not mentioned.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
My experience seems to have been different from everyone else's.I've been flying for four years using the large plastic zip-ties that aresold for heating/ac duct work. they are really huge and you need a specialtool to ratchet them up tight. I'm replacing my bungees this year onlybecause I'm replacing my axle. Upon removal, they all look in excellentcondition and none have loosened. I have four of the ties on each "end" ofthe bungee and I simply cannot see all four breaking at once. This shouldbe a routine part of your inspection, regardless of how you fix your bungeesin place, so if one or even two gave out, you should see it.Regarding plastic degrading in sunlight, let's be realistic here. In theorythis is a valid point, but in my opinion a moot point in this regard. Idon't know of a single piet that is hangared outdoors, and when they AREoutdoors for extended periods of time (maybe three days at Brodhead?) thenumber of hours the sun is getting past the fuselage and wheels to actuallybath the zip ties on the bungies in UV is pretty minimal. I would NOT use regular zip ties, but my experience is the big ones workfine. As do the other techniques mentioned, including a few not mentioned.$.02Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Thanks everyone for the advice. I will be replacing my plastic cable ties soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:11:59 -0800
Thanks everyone for the advice. I will be replacing my plastic cable ties soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 10:11:59 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !
Original Posted By: Ben Charvet
Hello Everyone,My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with aContinental 0-200 + electrical system.The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem[which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificentstarter button as well !!We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38] but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttlestatic RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttlelevel flight. PatriciaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !
Hello Everyone,My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with aContinental 0-200 + electrical system.The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem[which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificentstarter button as well !!We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38] but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttlestatic RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttlelevel flight. PatriciaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !
Original Posted By: Jack Textor
Congratulations on your first flights! Where are you located? Have some pictures?Ben CharvetTitusville FlNX866BC 320 hrs so farOn 11/11/2016 4:06 PM, pjb wrote:>> Hello Everyone,>> My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.>> We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with a> Continental 0-200 + electrical system.>> The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem> [which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificent> starter button as well !!> We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38]> but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttle> static RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttle> level flight.> Patricia>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 440#462440>>> Attachments:>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... e2_207.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_img_1343_442.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_2 ... 1c_564.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_1 ... 09.jpg>>-- Ben Charvet, PharmDStaff PharmacistParrish Medical center________________________________________________________________________________
Congratulations on your first flights! Where are you located? Have some pictures?Ben CharvetTitusville FlNX866BC 320 hrs so farOn 11/11/2016 4:06 PM, pjb wrote:>> Hello Everyone,>> My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.>> We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with a> Continental 0-200 + electrical system.>> The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem> [which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificent> starter button as well !!> We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38]> but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttle> static RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttle> level flight.> Patricia>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 440#462440>>> Attachments:>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... e2_207.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_img_1343_442.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_2 ... 1c_564.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_1 ... 09.jpg>>-- Ben Charvet, PharmDStaff PharmacistParrish Medical center________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !Very nice Patricia! Congratulations on successful test flights!Ben pictures are attached to her email...Jack TextorSent from my iPad> On Nov 11, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:> > > Congratulations on your first flights! Where are you located? Have some pictures?> > Ben Charvet> Titusville Fl> NX866BC 320 hrs so far> >> On 11/11/2016 4:06 PM, pjb wrote:>> >> Hello Everyone,>> >> My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.>> >> We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with a>> Continental 0-200 + electrical system.>> >> The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem>> [which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificent>> starter button as well !!>> We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38]>> but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttle>> static RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttle>> level flight.>> Patricia>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 440#462440>> >> >> >> >> Attachments:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... e2_207.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_img_1343_442.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_2 ... 1c_564.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_1 ... ne_109.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD> Staff Pharmacist> Parrish Medical center> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !Very nice Patricia! Congratulations on successful test flights!Ben pictures are attached to her email...Jack TextorSent from my iPad> On Nov 11, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Ben Charvet wrote:> > > Congratulations on your first flights! Where are you located? Have some pictures?> > Ben Charvet> Titusville Fl> NX866BC 320 hrs so far> >> On 11/11/2016 4:06 PM, pjb wrote:>> >> Hello Everyone,>> >> My Pietenpol made it's first 2 flights on Oct 31.>> >> We spent the summer replacing the Continental A75 with a>> Continental 0-200 + electrical system.>> >> The 0-200 has completely corrected the aft cg problem>> [which is why I installed it] and now I have a large, magnificent>> starter button as well !!>> We were able to use the prop that was on the A75 [Cloudcars, wood, 74 X 38]>> but had to counterbore it for the 0-200. It gives full throttle>> static RPM 2500 and just on the redline 2750 in full throttle>> level flight.>> Patricia>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 440#462440>> >> >> >> >> Attachments:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_p ... e2_207.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_img_1343_442.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_2 ... 1c_564.jpg>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/tn_1 ... ne_109.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD> Staff Pharmacist> Parrish Medical center> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Douwe brings up a couple of really good points. First, there really is a widerage of quality in cable ties. And in this application the quality equates tolongevity. I think they are all adequate for the job, just that cheap ones degradetoo fast. Until the point of failure,they all seem to hold just fine ifproperly tightened.Cheap ties seem to get awful brittle with mere oxidation, as evidenced by my breakingby hand old ones I've dug up in the toolbox...Insofar as my bungees, the mode of failure seems to be pinching. That's why Imentioned dans spreaders. Do you have something similar Douwe? I'm going tofabricate some and install them. Also, 2rn flies a lot, with a lot of landingcycles, off VERY rough fields. Douwe seems to be enamored with those Air Forcestyle soft squishy landings! Food for thought. I've considered installing a cable tie between "turns" of thebungee wrap, essentially making three or four separate loops. One failing doesn'tequal disaster. Second, when I replaced my bungees two years ago, oneside turned out to be cut through to about a mere dozen strands of rubber. Probablyless than ten percent intact? Yikes. Pretty sure it had been that wayfor longer than I care to think about. Replaced them "just because". Had noclue it was that bad. This year, I merely pulled the ends out of the hose clampson one side... In neither cae was the plane handling poorly nor was theproblem really visible. About any regular maintenance will keep them operatingcorrectly. They are not a normal failure point or a hyper critical item interms of having to be installed perfectly or else. I do have safety straps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Douwe brings up a couple of really good points. First, there really is a widerage of quality in cable ties. And in this application the quality equates tolongevity. I think they are all adequate for the job, just that cheap ones degradetoo fast. Until the point of failure,they all seem to hold just fine ifproperly tightened.Cheap ties seem to get awful brittle with mere oxidation, as evidenced by my breakingby hand old ones I've dug up in the toolbox...Insofar as my bungees, the mode of failure seems to be pinching. That's why Imentioned dans spreaders. Do you have something similar Douwe? I'm going tofabricate some and install them. Also, 2rn flies a lot, with a lot of landingcycles, off VERY rough fields. Douwe seems to be enamored with those Air Forcestyle soft squishy landings! Food for thought. I've considered installing a cable tie between "turns" of thebungee wrap, essentially making three or four separate loops. One failing doesn'tequal disaster. Second, when I replaced my bungees two years ago, oneside turned out to be cut through to about a mere dozen strands of rubber. Probablyless than ten percent intact? Yikes. Pretty sure it had been that wayfor longer than I care to think about. Replaced them "just because". Had noclue it was that bad. This year, I merely pulled the ends out of the hose clampson one side... In neither cae was the plane handling poorly nor was theproblem really visible. About any regular maintenance will keep them operatingcorrectly. They are not a normal failure point or a hyper critical item interms of having to be installed perfectly or else. I do have safety straps.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear BungeeThere are metal "zip ties".________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear BungeeThere are metal "zip ties".________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Gear Bungee
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Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: shad bell
I recently purchased a Piet project and it came with this complete Continental A-65. I am building a Corvair for my Piet so I don't need this engine. I know nothing about this engine, no logs, or hours but it is complete with accessories such as mags, carb (Stromberg NA-S3A1), intake spider, and exhaust stacks. It would make a good core engine for somebody wanting build an A-65. If you are interested you can contact me off line. I can crate and ship to lower 48 states.BrianMeridian, Idaho385-315-0127Wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 02:51:47 +0000 (UTC)
I recently purchased a Piet project and it came with this complete Continental A-65. I am building a Corvair for my Piet so I don't need this engine. I know nothing about this engine, no logs, or hours but it is complete with accessories such as mags, carb (Stromberg NA-S3A1), intake spider, and exhaust stacks. It would make a good core engine for somebody wanting build an A-65. If you are interested you can contact me off line. I can crate and ship to lower 48 states.BrianMeridian, Idaho385-315-0127Wings.wheels29(at)yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 02:51:47 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental A-65
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle