Original Posted By: tbyh(at)aol.com
I am also proud to call Jim a friend and neighbor. I haven't been around herevery long, but he was one of the first to introduce himself and invite me overfor a look at this strange old wooden airplane. We didn't actually meet untilBrodhead due to scheduling conflicts, but I'm sure glad we finally did. Hewas none of the dirty rotten things that Recine described him to be... althoughI haven't seen my dial calipers since he was last at the hanger. LOL! jkJohn... and Jim. Hail to the Markle! HARUMPH!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jim MarkleDate: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:59:26 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Bill,I have some old aircraft maintenance books (pre 1950) and took a quick lookto see what they said about turnbuckles. Unfortunately, I did not findanything to answer you question, but I did see a chapter on splicing eyesinto cables!! HOLY COW, we have it easy! My fingers started bleeding justreading it.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.) _____
Bill,I have some old aircraft maintenance books (pre 1950) and took a quick lookto see what they said about turnbuckles. Unfortunately, I did not findanything to answer you question, but I did see a chapter on splicing eyesinto cables!! HOLY COW, we have it easy! My fingers started bleeding justreading it.Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair ConversionTail done, Fuselage on gear(13 ribs down.) _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Bill Church
Bill:I have spent a considerable amount of time on the net and other sources lookingfor a cross reference too, without any luck. It was more out of curiosity thananything else.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Bill:I have spent a considerable amount of time on the net and other sources lookingfor a cross reference too, without any luck. It was more out of curiosity thananything else.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: "Tim Fulmer"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesI took the simple route, I contacted B&B for turnbuckles, he asked what size cable I was planning on I told him 3/32 he said okay I got 25 of them. I said send me 24 plus endsHe processed the order I received the 24 that I ordered along with the bill and Rick got one! Works for meJohn________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesI took the simple route, I contacted B&B for turnbuckles, he asked what size cable I was planning on I told him 3/32 he said okay I got 25 of them. I said send me 24 plus endsHe processed the order I received the 24 that I ordered along with the bill and Rick got one! Works for meJohn________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle- just for a minute
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I can only speak for one member of the "Public Forum", but I find the bantervery entertaining; it fills in the lulls between the dissemination of usefulinformation. Better still, we all get a good feel for who to watch out forwhen we finally get to Brodhead.... Just one man's opinion.-----Original Message-----
I can only speak for one member of the "Public Forum", but I find the bantervery entertaining; it fills in the lulls between the dissemination of usefulinformation. Better still, we all get a good feel for who to watch out forwhen we finally get to Brodhead.... Just one man's opinion.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By:
It sure didn't work for me!! Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
It sure didn't work for me!! Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle -just for a minute, a
Original Posted By: Bill Princell
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle -just for a minute, aserios post
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol friend Jim Markle -just for a minute, aserios post
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Bill Church
In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they are RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a #326-S. They are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/im ... ings.pdfIt has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting options can be a bit confusing. Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures on paper of each of your cables with fittings.The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables, empennage and cabane cross-bracing.Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
In the 1919 book "Aeronautical Engineering" by Alexander Klemin there is reference to old turnbuckles. Three different styles are listed and they are RAF, Binet, and Curtiss. The Curtiss style shows a #326 and a #326-S. They are rated for 2183 lbs. and the "S" version is for short.There is no #325 listed. There is no reference to "SF" turnbuckles.The original poster of this thread, Roger Davis, was looking for turnbuckle sizes. Check out this website:http://www.gen-aircraft-hardware.com/im ... ings.pdfIt has good info on turnbuckle sizes and fittings.All the available info on turnbuckle sizes and the multitude of fitting options can be a bit confusing. Start by selecting a cable size. Then figure out the appropriate turnbuckle size and then select your fittings. It helps to draw pictures on paper of each of your cables with fittings.The cable sizes used on NX18235 are 3/32" for all control cables, empennage and cabane cross-bracing.Landing gear, drag and anti-drag, and lift strut cables are all 1/8"Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Greg,As I have said, "You are The Man!"Gary--------------------------Gary A. BootheSales ManagerCALPLY Architectural Products DivisionSent from BlackBerry Wireless Device-----Original Message-----
Greg,As I have said, "You are The Man!"Gary--------------------------Gary A. BootheSales ManagerCALPLY Architectural Products DivisionSent from BlackBerry Wireless Device-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Davis Roger
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
Original Posted By: Robert Ray
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Okoume and fuselage gussets
> > Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress toolsThanks Tim,I'll look for it at wicks. I bought my tool off of Ebay and it works great I justhave to check the finished crimp. I generally put the cable in a vice to holdit for clamp it to something. Otherwisw having a helper really uh helps
.Rodney---- Tim Willis wrote: > > Rodney,> > The short answer is .339 in. or less for 1/8" cable oval fittings. The gaugeis .339" at the mouth of the rectangular cutout, and .335" at its back.> > The longer answer.... > > This is measured on my go/nogo gauge that came with my little crimper. The crimperis the one with one handle and two bolts you tighten to squeeze the dies.The tool is Wicks "tool hand swedge," part no. HST-2 ($18.31). The go/nogogauge comes with it, at no extra charge, or may be bought separately as "gaugefor HST-2," Wicks part no. NG54-11 ($6.38).> > I have not yet used this crimper, but have used another fellow's crimper thatlooks like a bolt cutter. He said he paid about $50 for his, but I was unableto find such a tool at such a price. Perhaps if I had looked under telecomsplicers, etc.? > > His tool was easy to use and accurate, but he and his tool are 50 miles away.Wicks sells that tool as Wicks part no. 64CGMP for $219.38. They also sella related gauge. > > Since that usage, I bought a cheap tool of that sort-- the bolt cutter look-alike--the professional tool that many of the guys use and highly recommend. Mycheap tool bought at Home Depot was under $30. I had to file the jaws downto get the squeeze I thought I wanted, and then was not sure if it was right.> > So I bought the small tool mentioned above from Wicks, as part of an order ofother things. When I get back to cables, I will first try the Home Depot tooland check it with the Wicks gauge. I found using the borrowed tools in my EAAmember's shop that getting the first crimp with the heavier tool is easy andeffective. I got the second and third crimps with that tool, as well. However,there we had two sets of hands to hold things, something I do not have hereat my project. I think that getting the second and third crimps placed justright might be easier with the little hand swege, but I have not tried thisyet. I will try all methods on ONE end of a cable, BEFORE I cut it to length,and then optimize, based on results.> > Hope this helps. If any of you have gauges with other dimensions, or other swagingadvice, I would like to hear this.> > Tim in central TX> > -----Original Message-----> >From: r.r.hall(at)cox.net> >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:18 PM> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools> >> >> >I do not have the gauge does anyone have the dimensions to make a gauge or thewidth of a compressed fitting for a 1/8 inch cable.> >> >Rodney Hall> >---- Robert Ray wrote: > >> Yes when I was a line man we had one that we had to peridocally check> >> the sleeves after compressing. As the tool wears it will not compress> >> correctly.> >> > >> Russell> >> > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace> >> Corporation] wrote:> >> > >> > Aerospace Corporation]" > >> >> >> >> >> > Shad is right-- there is a slotted flat plate of steel with 'stepped' U> >> > chaped spaces machined into it where you slip the appropriate> >> > U slot over your completed nicopress sleeve to see if it slips in with no> >> > problems--if it doesn't slip in you have not gotten a good tight nicopress> >> > and the assembly should be trashed and made over.> >> >> >> > There are adjustments on the nicopress pliers so you can tighten the jawsa> >> > bit to make good, sound, nicopress presses if you're not getting> >> > 'passing' nico squeezes.> >> >> >> > Mike C.> >> >> >> > PS-- my tool from whomever I bought it from came with the go/ no go gauge> >> > and I use it on every single nicopress junction I make--take all of 2> >> > seconds> >> > to see if you've got a good press or not.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress toolsThanks Tim,I'll look for it at wicks. I bought my tool off of Ebay and it works great I justhave to check the finished crimp. I generally put the cable in a vice to holdit for clamp it to something. Otherwisw having a helper really uh helps
.Rodney---- Tim Willis wrote: > > Rodney,> > The short answer is .339 in. or less for 1/8" cable oval fittings. The gaugeis .339" at the mouth of the rectangular cutout, and .335" at its back.> > The longer answer.... > > This is measured on my go/nogo gauge that came with my little crimper. The crimperis the one with one handle and two bolts you tighten to squeeze the dies.The tool is Wicks "tool hand swedge," part no. HST-2 ($18.31). The go/nogogauge comes with it, at no extra charge, or may be bought separately as "gaugefor HST-2," Wicks part no. NG54-11 ($6.38).> > I have not yet used this crimper, but have used another fellow's crimper thatlooks like a bolt cutter. He said he paid about $50 for his, but I was unableto find such a tool at such a price. Perhaps if I had looked under telecomsplicers, etc.? > > His tool was easy to use and accurate, but he and his tool are 50 miles away.Wicks sells that tool as Wicks part no. 64CGMP for $219.38. They also sella related gauge. > > Since that usage, I bought a cheap tool of that sort-- the bolt cutter look-alike--the professional tool that many of the guys use and highly recommend. Mycheap tool bought at Home Depot was under $30. I had to file the jaws downto get the squeeze I thought I wanted, and then was not sure if it was right.> > So I bought the small tool mentioned above from Wicks, as part of an order ofother things. When I get back to cables, I will first try the Home Depot tooland check it with the Wicks gauge. I found using the borrowed tools in my EAAmember's shop that getting the first crimp with the heavier tool is easy andeffective. I got the second and third crimps with that tool, as well. However,there we had two sets of hands to hold things, something I do not have hereat my project. I think that getting the second and third crimps placed justright might be easier with the little hand swege, but I have not tried thisyet. I will try all methods on ONE end of a cable, BEFORE I cut it to length,and then optimize, based on results.> > Hope this helps. If any of you have gauges with other dimensions, or other swagingadvice, I would like to hear this.> > Tim in central TX> > -----Original Message-----> >From: r.r.hall(at)cox.net> >Sent: Sep 1, 2009 9:18 PM> >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress tools> >> >> >I do not have the gauge does anyone have the dimensions to make a gauge or thewidth of a compressed fitting for a 1/8 inch cable.> >> >Rodney Hall> >---- Robert Ray wrote: > >> Yes when I was a line man we had one that we had to peridocally check> >> the sleeves after compressing. As the tool wears it will not compress> >> correctly.> >> > >> Russell> >> > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace> >> Corporation] wrote:> >> > >> > Aerospace Corporation]" > >> >> >> >> >> > Shad is right-- there is a slotted flat plate of steel with 'stepped' U> >> > chaped spaces machined into it where you slip the appropriate> >> > U slot over your completed nicopress sleeve to see if it slips in with no> >> > problems--if it doesn't slip in you have not gotten a good tight nicopress> >> > and the assembly should be trashed and made over.> >> >> >> > There are adjustments on the nicopress pliers so you can tighten the jawsa> >> > bit to make good, sound, nicopress presses if you're not getting> >> > 'passing' nico squeezes.> >> >> >> > Mike C.> >> >> >> > PS-- my tool from whomever I bought it from came with the go/ no go gauge> >> > and I use it on every single nicopress junction I make--take all of 2> >> > seconds> >> > to see if you've got a good press or not.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >________________________________________________________________________________RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing
Original Posted By:
Bill wrote->regarding plans for a tube version of the empennage (tail feathers).>Neither set of Pietenpol plans include that. I don't know about>the Grega plans I was just looking at my GN-1 plans this past weekend. All the tailis wood and fabric construction, very similar to the Air Camper,with a few small differences but all the same basic wood framingsticks and shapes and very similar metal fittings and braces.I stand corrected about the Ragwing "UltraPiet" not being tubularframed; however, there are other similar tubular-framed light sportand ultralight aircraft from which one could easily derive anequivalent tail for the Air Camper. I propose that such a beastbe called a "Pie-tube-and-rag-enpol" or a "Welded Wonder".Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:34:19 -0400
Bill wrote->regarding plans for a tube version of the empennage (tail feathers).>Neither set of Pietenpol plans include that. I don't know about>the Grega plans I was just looking at my GN-1 plans this past weekend. All the tailis wood and fabric construction, very similar to the Air Camper,with a few small differences but all the same basic wood framingsticks and shapes and very similar metal fittings and braces.I stand corrected about the Ragwing "UltraPiet" not being tubularframed; however, there are other similar tubular-framed light sportand ultralight aircraft from which one could easily derive anequivalent tail for the Air Camper. I propose that such a beastbe called a "Pie-tube-and-rag-enpol" or a "Welded Wonder".Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:34:19 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: go/ no go tool--- a must when using Nicopress
Original Posted By:
A premature curiosity on my part. Does any one have a count of total cable feetrequired to rig a piet, complete? Does anyone know the difference between aircraft and nautical use wire rope?Aside from the obvious Recine smart donkey answer of: one is for aircraft and theother is for water craft.John Safe in the morningJohn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
A premature curiosity on my part. Does any one have a count of total cable feetrequired to rig a piet, complete? Does anyone know the difference between aircraft and nautical use wire rope?Aside from the obvious Recine smart donkey answer of: one is for aircraft and theother is for water craft.John Safe in the morningJohn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubingHey that is GREAT Doug- why didn't you tell us you were from this area-- you don'tneed the list, you just need Frank Pavliga, Don Emchand myself plus Shad Bell and you got her licked. The Piet is much like an Aeronca Champ but with about 10 mph---make that 15 mphslower than a typical Champ...... but it is very much like the backseat of a Champ or Cub on landing. With a person aboard a bit more challengingbut otherwise they have one big difference---the Piet will slow downMUCH quicker than a Champ or Cub and stall-to-flare lots sooner than you thinkit will. I tell new Pietenpol pilots to add power on final--- bleed off speedat 3 to 4 feet off the ground and then chop the power, pull back the stick in yerbelly and enjoy a Coors Light. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:54:42 -0400
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubingHey that is GREAT Doug- why didn't you tell us you were from this area-- you don'tneed the list, you just need Frank Pavliga, Don Emchand myself plus Shad Bell and you got her licked. The Piet is much like an Aeronca Champ but with about 10 mph---make that 15 mphslower than a typical Champ...... but it is very much like the backseat of a Champ or Cub on landing. With a person aboard a bit more challengingbut otherwise they have one big difference---the Piet will slow downMUCH quicker than a Champ or Cub and stall-to-flare lots sooner than you thinkit will. I tell new Pietenpol pilots to add power on final--- bleed off speedat 3 to 4 feet off the ground and then chop the power, pull back the stick in yerbelly and enjoy a Coors Light. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:54:42 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing
Original Posted By:> michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov
Mike=2CSounds like it flys like a champ=2C comes down like a tri-pacer and loses speed like a cable braced ultralight. I have flown all three. albeit not at the same time--lol. I took my pvt check ride in a tri-pacer and the examiner pulled the power on me and I Picked out a field pretty much right under us and he said what are you doing? There is an airport right over there. I said that we wouldn't make it. he asked if I was sure. I told him I was positive. Well=2C we wouldn't have made it half way! Btw=2C Mike I think you said you were based at Valley City. Isn't that Don Helmic's old place?Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Mike=2CSounds like it flys like a champ=2C comes down like a tri-pacer and loses speed like a cable braced ultralight. I have flown all three. albeit not at the same time--lol. I took my pvt check ride in a tri-pacer and the examiner pulled the power on me and I Picked out a field pretty much right under us and he said what are you doing? There is an airport right over there. I said that we wouldn't make it. he asked if I was sure. I told him I was positive. Well=2C we wouldn't have made it half way! Btw=2C Mike I think you said you were based at Valley City. Isn't that Don Helmic's old place?Doug DeverIn beautiful Stow Ohio
Pietenpol-List: Re: landing like a Champ
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I realize that we usually have these "firesidechats" when it's too cold or wet (or both) to workon airplanes or fly them, but we seem to havegotten off to an early start this year since thereis still plenty of flying and building weather according to my check of the Weather Channel. Butall this talk about landing the Piet has me thinkingback to the last time I flew a Cub. For some reasonit seemed like the stick in the Cub was very talland that when I pulled it back to flare, it was atabout chest height and it felt a bit odd pulling itinto the center of my chest to full-stall it ratherthan into my lap. I'm sure that's not the case butthat's how I remember it.Flying my airplane for more than an hour or so, Isometimes wonder if the grip might not be morecomfortable if it had a cant or angle to it likea helicopter or fighter plane stick grip ratherthan being straight up and down at the handle. Ifind that my hand wants to hold the butt end of thestick for awhile rather than the grip part, to givemy hand a rest. I've just never seen a Piet withanything other than a straight stick grip, withthe exception of one or maybe two of the Brit oneswho used the teardrop-loop grip of the old WWIplanes, leather lacing and all. Guess it's just me.I'll be installing the Curtis quick-drain on myoil sump tomorrow. I just couldn't bear to pay $70for the fancier Aeroquip type even though it hasa stub to connect a bit of hose onto and the Curtisdoes not. Forty bucks difference in cost; that's alot of oil changes.Somebody want to put another log on the fire andhand Mikee another "silver bullet" while the rest ofus enjoy a pint of REAL ale?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing like a Champ
I realize that we usually have these "firesidechats" when it's too cold or wet (or both) to workon airplanes or fly them, but we seem to havegotten off to an early start this year since thereis still plenty of flying and building weather according to my check of the Weather Channel. Butall this talk about landing the Piet has me thinkingback to the last time I flew a Cub. For some reasonit seemed like the stick in the Cub was very talland that when I pulled it back to flare, it was atabout chest height and it felt a bit odd pulling itinto the center of my chest to full-stall it ratherthan into my lap. I'm sure that's not the case butthat's how I remember it.Flying my airplane for more than an hour or so, Isometimes wonder if the grip might not be morecomfortable if it had a cant or angle to it likea helicopter or fighter plane stick grip ratherthan being straight up and down at the handle. Ifind that my hand wants to hold the butt end of thestick for awhile rather than the grip part, to givemy hand a rest. I've just never seen a Piet withanything other than a straight stick grip, withthe exception of one or maybe two of the Brit oneswho used the teardrop-loop grip of the old WWIplanes, leather lacing and all. Guess it's just me.I'll be installing the Curtis quick-drain on myoil sump tomorrow. I just couldn't bear to pay $70for the fancier Aeroquip type even though it hasa stub to connect a bit of hose onto and the Curtisdoes not. Forty bucks difference in cost; that's alot of oil changes.Somebody want to put another log on the fire andhand Mikee another "silver bullet" while the rest ofus enjoy a pint of REAL ale?Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: landing like a Champ
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Dang that was a heavy log. (cracking a cold shiner and ploping down)This is a neat topic Oscar. I've never flown a stick airplane, but I have satin a few and as a taller fella I've often wondered if I might feel hunched overwhen reaching down for the stick I can hear you over there John! Grab somewood (aww geez), I mean, another log if you are just going to make wise cracks.Anyhow, I wonder if the Piets control stick can be made taller than the ones I'vetried on? Perhaps those were fit to their pilot and maybe there was room formore length? I've also considered a round top, like a backhoe control or somethingso that I might just drive like that most of the time. Not sure whatI would prefer really... I guess I'll keep listening and maybe I'll formulatea more educated opinion.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Dang that was a heavy log. (cracking a cold shiner and ploping down)This is a neat topic Oscar. I've never flown a stick airplane, but I have satin a few and as a taller fella I've often wondered if I might feel hunched overwhen reaching down for the stick I can hear you over there John! Grab somewood (aww geez), I mean, another log if you are just going to make wise cracks.Anyhow, I wonder if the Piets control stick can be made taller than the ones I'vetried on? Perhaps those were fit to their pilot and maybe there was room formore length? I've also considered a round top, like a backhoe control or somethingso that I might just drive like that most of the time. Not sure whatI would prefer really... I guess I'll keep listening and maybe I'll formulatea more educated opinion.--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: jim
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesJimYou may want to order them from B & B you can speak to them and the will help with your application selection. They are if not already preping for Oshkosh so call soon. Great folks to work with helpful and priced much better than othersJohnHappy independance day celebrating by building my Piet no better way to honor those that bought and paid for our freedom Please archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless-----Original message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: TurnbucklesJimYou may want to order them from B & B you can speak to them and the will help with your application selection. They are if not already preping for Oshkosh so call soon. Great folks to work with helpful and priced much better than othersJohnHappy independance day celebrating by building my Piet no better way to honor those that bought and paid for our freedom Please archive Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless-----Original message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: jim
Start by selecting the cable you will use, then select the appropriate components. It helps to draw it out on paper.Attached are a couple of pdf's to get you going.Greg Cardinal Pursuing liberty and happiness this afternoon by going flying..... ----- Original Message -----
Start by selecting the cable you will use, then select the appropriate components. It helps to draw it out on paper.Attached are a couple of pdf's to get you going.Greg Cardinal Pursuing liberty and happiness this afternoon by going flying..... ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Yes! I bought my turnbuckles from B & B for $7.50 each -- about 1/4th what AS charges. In case you don't have it, their address is: B & B Aircraft Supplies, PO Box 37, 202 South Center, Gardner, KS 66030, phone (913) 884-5930, fax (913) 884-6533. Hope that helps. Don't know if they have turnbuckles right now, but you can certainly not go wrong by checking. Good Fortune (I don't believe in Luck). Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Yes! I bought my turnbuckles from B & B for $7.50 each -- about 1/4th what AS charges. In case you don't have it, their address is: B & B Aircraft Supplies, PO Box 37, 202 South Center, Gardner, KS 66030, phone (913) 884-5930, fax (913) 884-6533. Hope that helps. Don't know if they have turnbuckles right now, but you can certainly not go wrong by checking. Good Fortune (I don't believe in Luck). Chuck ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Charles Campbell
Chuck, Thanks a ton. Will definitely call them!!!Jim ----- Original Message -----
Chuck, Thanks a ton. Will definitely call them!!!Jim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Greg,Thanks a lot, the drawings were extremely helpful!!!!Jim ----- Original Message -----
Greg,Thanks a lot, the drawings were extremely helpful!!!!Jim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckles
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Thanks John, you and two others suggested B7B. I'll definately call them.Jim ----- Original Message -----
Thanks John, you and two others suggested B7B. I'll definately call them.Jim ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Gene's seat belt attach advice
Original Posted By: TRichmo9(at)aol.com
Rick---though you've already gotten some very good input on your question, if it is any comfort, I did my attachanchor method just like Gene Hubbard although used a poplar wood block about 2"x 3" glued above the lower longeronwith 1/8" piece of ply glued over that block and the longeron, drilled thru and anchored the JC Whitney airline-type bucklesto that. I can tell you that after encountering severe hot weather turbulence around Chicago enroute to Wisconsinthat they held me fine thru what I'm sure was negative g turbulence. The only problem I really had was keeping myhand gripped to the stick. Solution---just grab the stick a little lower:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Rick---though you've already gotten some very good input on your question, if it is any comfort, I did my attachanchor method just like Gene Hubbard although used a poplar wood block about 2"x 3" glued above the lower longeronwith 1/8" piece of ply glued over that block and the longeron, drilled thru and anchored the JC Whitney airline-type bucklesto that. I can tell you that after encountering severe hot weather turbulence around Chicago enroute to Wisconsinthat they held me fine thru what I'm sure was negative g turbulence. The only problem I really had was keeping myhand gripped to the stick. Solution---just grab the stick a little lower:)Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing> Aerospace Corporation]" > > > > Hey that is GREAT Doug- why didn't you tell us you were from this area-- you don't need the list=2C you just need Frank Pavliga=2C Don Emch> and myself plus Shad Bell and you got her licked. > > The Piet is much like an Aeronca Champ but with about 10 mph---make that 15 mph slower than a typical Champ...... but it is very much like the back> seat of a Champ or Cub on landing. With a person aboard a bit more challenging but otherwise they have one big difference---the Piet will slow down> MUCH quicker than a Champ or Cub and stall-to-flare lots sooner than you think it will. I tell new Pietenpol pilots to add power on final--- bleed off speed> at 3 to 4 feet off the ground and then chop the power=2C pull back the stick in yer belly and enjoy a Coors Light. > > Mike C. > > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?o ... __________
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: empennage plans using tubing> Aerospace Corporation]" > > > > Hey that is GREAT Doug- why didn't you tell us you were from this area-- you don't need the list=2C you just need Frank Pavliga=2C Don Emch> and myself plus Shad Bell and you got her licked. > > The Piet is much like an Aeronca Champ but with about 10 mph---make that 15 mph slower than a typical Champ...... but it is very much like the back> seat of a Champ or Cub on landing. With a person aboard a bit more challenging but otherwise they have one big difference---the Piet will slow down> MUCH quicker than a Champ or Cub and stall-to-flare lots sooner than you think it will. I tell new Pietenpol pilots to add power on final--- bleed off speed> at 3 to 4 feet off the ground and then chop the power=2C pull back the stick in yer belly and enjoy a Coors Light. > > Mike C. > > > > ============================================> > > _________________________________________________________________Hotmail=AE is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?o ... __________