Original Posted By: Barry Davis
For those of you who dont subscribe, you might want to get the lastest (Feb) Sport Aviation mag. It's got a 5 page article on the Sky Scout. Very nice.Richard-----------------------------http://www.wrld.com/w3builderPietenpols, Electronic Music,Website Design, Stompilation________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
> Hi Richard: You can find the three part article in the "1933 Flying Manual" , pages26-47. Great article, which gives many humorous insights to Bernie and hisattitudes. The manual is available from the EAA library.Best Regards,Warren________________________________________________________________________________
> Hi Richard: You can find the three part article in the "1933 Flying Manual" , pages26-47. Great article, which gives many humorous insights to Bernie and hisattitudes. The manual is available from the EAA library.Best Regards,Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Ian Holland
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout>Hi Guys:>>This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.>His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator down>into the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation.>>Mike (Piet N687MB)>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout>Hi Guys:>>This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.>His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator down>into the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation.>>Mike (Piet N687MB)>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Hi Guys:This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator downinto the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation. Mike (Piet N687MB)________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Guys:This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator downinto the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation. Mike (Piet N687MB)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Mike,How ya doin?I've got a drawing somewhere that Orrin Hoopman made of radiatorinstallation as in the Scout that Dick Roberts used to have that now belongsto Ilsa Harmininski (sp?). You might try to get ahold of this one.John-----Original Message-----
Mike,How ya doin?I've got a drawing somewhere that Orrin Hoopman made of radiatorinstallation as in the Scout that Dick Roberts used to have that now belongsto Ilsa Harmininski (sp?). You might try to get ahold of this one.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Barry Davis
>Hi Guys:>>This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.>His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator down>into the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation.>>Mike (Piet N687MB)>The best working example comes in the 1933 Glider & Flying Manual, page 18(GERE Sport Biplane) just put the radiator 45=B0 and put light aluminumdeflectors (as venecian curtains (sp?) it works great.I am planning to use this system in my Flying Flea project next yearSaludos ---------------- initial testing!=09 --------------Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1929 Ramsey= Bathtubggower(at)informador.com.mx | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%= finishedGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO | modifying wings)---------------------------------------------------------------------------Flying from:Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" in Chapala: Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W= 103=BA09.606'(Grass) Main Strip 14/32 700 mts (2,300'Long 60'W) CT: PAK 123.45. For Ultralights and light planes only. Right pattern to 14 (flying over townforbidden) IMPORTANT: check ASL & power available for take off! ________________________________________________________________________________
>Hi Guys:>>This comm is a request from Ed Snyder.>His "A" powered Sky Scout is flying. He wants to move the radiator down>into the cowl. He seeks info as to how to make this installation.>>Mike (Piet N687MB)>The best working example comes in the 1933 Glider & Flying Manual, page 18(GERE Sport Biplane) just put the radiator 45=B0 and put light aluminumdeflectors (as venecian curtains (sp?) it works great.I am planning to use this system in my Flying Flea project next yearSaludos ---------------- initial testing!=09 --------------Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1929 Ramsey= Bathtubggower(at)informador.com.mx | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%= finishedGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO | modifying wings)---------------------------------------------------------------------------Flying from:Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" in Chapala: Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W= 103=BA09.606'(Grass) Main Strip 14/32 700 mts (2,300'Long 60'W) CT: PAK 123.45. For Ultralights and light planes only. Right pattern to 14 (flying over townforbidden) IMPORTANT: check ASL & power available for take off! ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout>Gentlemen,>>Since I am not on the way to Broadhead I am viewing the flying clips on the>Pietenpol website. Maybe next year I can make it.>>I have been building a Sky Scout for a couple of years and am about 50%>finished with the fuselage. I haven't started the wings yet but the tail>feathers are nearly complete.>>I am building per the plans but I think this is somewhat of a misnomersince>the plans have many mistakes/typos. Would anyone be interested incompiling>a list of these inaccuracies for both the Sky Scout and Aircamper. I can>contribute many for the Sky Scout.>>I hope to have the fuse. on the gear soon. Then I can put the ply on the>sides, remount the model A engine (not yet rebuilt), and sit in it in my>back yard and make airplane noises. Since I live in a rural community, I>figure I can get away with this for several hours before the men in white>coats show up.>>I have many questions, but also many tricks and helpful tips that I have>learned along the way if anyone is interested. I do not have any expensive>tools so I have learned to use what I call "poor mans accuracy".>>I have something that I can share. I have taken all of the back issues of>the BHP Newsletter and compiled a list of tips etc. that pertain to the Sky>Scout. These are in a "Word" document. When I am working on the rudderfor>example, I can use the search function (Find/Replace) and it searches my>document and stops at every mention of the word "rudder" where there willbe>a brief description and the Issue and page number to go to in the>newsletter.>>I did this because I knew that I had seen a "tip" that was applicable, butI>could not find it without looking through all of the back issues. My crude>explanation does not do it justice but I have found it very helpful. If>anyone is interested I can email the Word document.>>Remember that I only noted things that pertained to the Sky Scout, but each>person could add items that may pertain to their project.>>Sincerely,>> Distribution Design Specialist> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.> *Tel: 404.814.6950> *Fax: 404.814.6968> * rbl1(at)lucent.com>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout>Gentlemen,>>Since I am not on the way to Broadhead I am viewing the flying clips on the>Pietenpol website. Maybe next year I can make it.>>I have been building a Sky Scout for a couple of years and am about 50%>finished with the fuselage. I haven't started the wings yet but the tail>feathers are nearly complete.>>I am building per the plans but I think this is somewhat of a misnomersince>the plans have many mistakes/typos. Would anyone be interested incompiling>a list of these inaccuracies for both the Sky Scout and Aircamper. I can>contribute many for the Sky Scout.>>I hope to have the fuse. on the gear soon. Then I can put the ply on the>sides, remount the model A engine (not yet rebuilt), and sit in it in my>back yard and make airplane noises. Since I live in a rural community, I>figure I can get away with this for several hours before the men in white>coats show up.>>I have many questions, but also many tricks and helpful tips that I have>learned along the way if anyone is interested. I do not have any expensive>tools so I have learned to use what I call "poor mans accuracy".>>I have something that I can share. I have taken all of the back issues of>the BHP Newsletter and compiled a list of tips etc. that pertain to the Sky>Scout. These are in a "Word" document. When I am working on the rudderfor>example, I can use the search function (Find/Replace) and it searches my>document and stops at every mention of the word "rudder" where there willbe>a brief description and the Issue and page number to go to in the>newsletter.>>I did this because I knew that I had seen a "tip" that was applicable, butI>could not find it without looking through all of the back issues. My crude>explanation does not do it justice but I have found it very helpful. If>anyone is interested I can email the Word document.>>Remember that I only noted things that pertained to the Sky Scout, but each>person could add items that may pertain to their project.>>Sincerely,>> Distribution Design Specialist> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.> *Tel: 404.814.6950> *Fax: 404.814.6968> * rbl1(at)lucent.com>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: fishin
Gentlemen,Since I am not on the way to Broadhead I am viewing the flying clips on thePietenpol website. Maybe next year I can make it.I have been building a Sky Scout for a couple of years and am about 50%finished with the fuselage. I haven't started the wings yet but the tailfeathers are nearly complete.I am building per the plans but I think this is somewhat of a misnomer sincethe plans have many mistakes/typos. Would anyone be interested in compilinga list of these inaccuracies for both the Sky Scout and Aircamper. I cancontribute many for the Sky Scout.I hope to have the fuse. on the gear soon. Then I can put the ply on thesides, remount the model A engine (not yet rebuilt), and sit in it in myback yard and make airplane noises. Since I live in a rural community, Ifigure I can get away with this for several hours before the men in whitecoats show up.I have many questions, but also many tricks and helpful tips that I havelearned along the way if anyone is interested. I do not have any expensivetools so I have learned to use what I call "poor mans accuracy".I have something that I can share. I have taken all of the back issues ofthe BHP Newsletter and compiled a list of tips etc. that pertain to the SkyScout. These are in a "Word" document. When I am working on the rudder forexample, I can use the search function (Find/Replace) and it searches mydocument and stops at every mention of the word "rudder" where there will bea brief description and the Issue and page number to go to in thenewsletter.I did this because I knew that I had seen a "tip" that was applicable, but Icould not find it without looking through all of the back issues. My crudeexplanation does not do it justice but I have found it very helpful. Ifanyone is interested I can email the Word document.Remember that I only noted things that pertained to the Sky Scout, but eachperson could add items that may pertain to their project.Sincerely, Distribution Design Specialist * Lucent Technologies, Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
Gentlemen,Since I am not on the way to Broadhead I am viewing the flying clips on thePietenpol website. Maybe next year I can make it.I have been building a Sky Scout for a couple of years and am about 50%finished with the fuselage. I haven't started the wings yet but the tailfeathers are nearly complete.I am building per the plans but I think this is somewhat of a misnomer sincethe plans have many mistakes/typos. Would anyone be interested in compilinga list of these inaccuracies for both the Sky Scout and Aircamper. I cancontribute many for the Sky Scout.I hope to have the fuse. on the gear soon. Then I can put the ply on thesides, remount the model A engine (not yet rebuilt), and sit in it in myback yard and make airplane noises. Since I live in a rural community, Ifigure I can get away with this for several hours before the men in whitecoats show up.I have many questions, but also many tricks and helpful tips that I havelearned along the way if anyone is interested. I do not have any expensivetools so I have learned to use what I call "poor mans accuracy".I have something that I can share. I have taken all of the back issues ofthe BHP Newsletter and compiled a list of tips etc. that pertain to the SkyScout. These are in a "Word" document. When I am working on the rudder forexample, I can use the search function (Find/Replace) and it searches mydocument and stops at every mention of the word "rudder" where there will bea brief description and the Issue and page number to go to in thenewsletter.I did this because I knew that I had seen a "tip" that was applicable, but Icould not find it without looking through all of the back issues. My crudeexplanation does not do it justice but I have found it very helpful. Ifanyone is interested I can email the Word document.Remember that I only noted things that pertained to the Sky Scout, but eachperson could add items that may pertain to their project.Sincerely, Distribution Design Specialist * Lucent Technologies, Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Sky Scout
Original Posted By:>> Earl Myers[SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Sky Scout>Earl,>>Attached is the Piet Newsletter notes that I have taken. Open the document>then hit EDIT and FIND. Then type in a key word such as "Model A" or>"wheels". The search will stop at these words and you can see which>newsletter is applicable. The drawback is that you will have to have allof>the back issues for it to be helpful.>> >>I haven't really compiled all of the mistakes or typos that I have run>across in the plans. I think that the best way would be for us to pass>around a "Word" document that we could each add to. We could have a Sky>Scout and Aircamper document. I'll start with the points that you have>made, add my own, then pass it along. What do you think?>>Now you've made me nervous about the bolt hole spacing. I noticed thatsome>fittings would not fit if made per the plans (of course I discovered this>after making them--shame on me --or shame on the 70 year old un-corrected>plans?). Anyway, if that is the problem then I am ok. However, if the>problem is that the original spacing is inadequate to provide the proper>strength--then I am in trouble.>>I had my wheel hubs made per the plans in one of the old newsletters. Ihad>the wheels spoked by Buchanon's Motorcycle in California. Next I need 21">tires. I would prefer smooth tread. Do you have any ideas?>>I would also like to cover the wheels. Should I use fabric or aluminum?>>Have you had your Model A engine rebuilt yet?>>Where did you get your radiator?>>Thanks,>>> ----------
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Sky Scout>Earl,>>Attached is the Piet Newsletter notes that I have taken. Open the document>then hit EDIT and FIND. Then type in a key word such as "Model A" or>"wheels". The search will stop at these words and you can see which>newsletter is applicable. The drawback is that you will have to have allof>the back issues for it to be helpful.>> >>I haven't really compiled all of the mistakes or typos that I have run>across in the plans. I think that the best way would be for us to pass>around a "Word" document that we could each add to. We could have a Sky>Scout and Aircamper document. I'll start with the points that you have>made, add my own, then pass it along. What do you think?>>Now you've made me nervous about the bolt hole spacing. I noticed thatsome>fittings would not fit if made per the plans (of course I discovered this>after making them--shame on me --or shame on the 70 year old un-corrected>plans?). Anyway, if that is the problem then I am ok. However, if the>problem is that the original spacing is inadequate to provide the proper>strength--then I am in trouble.>>I had my wheel hubs made per the plans in one of the old newsletters. Ihad>the wheels spoked by Buchanon's Motorcycle in California. Next I need 21">tires. I would prefer smooth tread. Do you have any ideas?>>I would also like to cover the wheels. Should I use fabric or aluminum?>>Have you had your Model A engine rebuilt yet?>>Where did you get your radiator?>>Thanks,>>> ----------
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell)
Russ; I am about to complete Scout NX899EM per the plans except for the fusebeing widened at the seatback 3". There are numerous glaring errors on theplans. I would be interested in your compilation as I was contacted bysomeone in the Hoopman/Pietenpol clan to have these issues changed on thedrawings. I believe this Gentleman's name was a Mr. Gleason......I havepartial documentation of those changes. Watch the wing/ailerondimensions!!!! Also, the fuselage fittings need to have more airspacebetween the bolt holes especially around the engine mount and cabanefittings. I am in contact with two guys that have finished Scouts ofexcellent quality that are not on the Piet list (both hate computers). Theyhave together built DR1's, Sopwith triplanes, other Piets and severalothers..........I also get a lot of non-Piet e-mail that comes thru AT&Tfrom Lucent Tech............not aviation stuff.........I would be interestedin anything Scout so keep in touch. I have the radiator/wheel /engine thingdone so can help you there. EnjoyEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
Russ; I am about to complete Scout NX899EM per the plans except for the fusebeing widened at the seatback 3". There are numerous glaring errors on theplans. I would be interested in your compilation as I was contacted bysomeone in the Hoopman/Pietenpol clan to have these issues changed on thedrawings. I believe this Gentleman's name was a Mr. Gleason......I havepartial documentation of those changes. Watch the wing/ailerondimensions!!!! Also, the fuselage fittings need to have more airspacebetween the bolt holes especially around the engine mount and cabanefittings. I am in contact with two guys that have finished Scouts ofexcellent quality that are not on the Piet list (both hate computers). Theyhave together built DR1's, Sopwith triplanes, other Piets and severalothers..........I also get a lot of non-Piet e-mail that comes thru AT&Tfrom Lucent Tech............not aviation stuff.........I would be interestedin anything Scout so keep in touch. I have the radiator/wheel /engine thingdone so can help you there. EnjoyEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Russell,If (when?) you compile that word document of Sky Scout errata please put me on the distribution/contributer list. Thank you,DG________________________________________________________________________________
Russell,If (when?) you compile that word document of Sky Scout errata please put me on the distribution/contributer list. Thank you,DG________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Sky Scout
Original Posted By:>>> Earl Myers[SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout>Russell,>>Here's what I did re: tires and wheels:>>I bought 21" knobby tires and cut the knobs off with a utility knife. Then>I sanded them smooth with a coarse disk sander on my drill. 8-10 hours per>tire and lotsa black snot.>>I covered mine with fabric. Relatively easy and looks pretty good.>>JMG>-----Original Message----->From: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:18 PM>Subject: RE: Sky Scout>>>>Earl,>>>>Attached is the Piet Newsletter notes that I have taken. Open thedocument>>then hit EDIT and FIND. Then type in a key word such as "Model A" or>>"wheels". The search will stop at these words and you can see which>>newsletter is applicable. The drawback is that you will have to have all>of>>the back issues for it to be helpful.>>>> >>>>I haven't really compiled all of the mistakes or typos that I have run>>across in the plans. I think that the best way would be for us to pass>>around a "Word" document that we could each add to. We could have a Sky>>Scout and Aircamper document. I'll start with the points that you have>>made, add my own, then pass it along. What do you think?>>>>Now you've made me nervous about the bolt hole spacing. I noticed that>some>>fittings would not fit if made per the plans (of course I discovered this>>after making them--shame on me --or shame on the 70 year old un-corrected>>plans?). Anyway, if that is the problem then I am ok. However, if the>>problem is that the original spacing is inadequate to provide the proper>>strength--then I am in trouble.>>>>I had my wheel hubs made per the plans in one of the old newsletters. I>had>>the wheels spoked by Buchanon's Motorcycle in California. Next I need 21">>tires. I would prefer smooth tread. Do you have any ideas?>>>>I would also like to cover the wheels. Should I use fabric or aluminum?>>>>Have you had your Model A engine rebuilt yet?>>>>Where did you get your radiator?>>>>Thanks,>>>>> ----------
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout>Russell,>>Here's what I did re: tires and wheels:>>I bought 21" knobby tires and cut the knobs off with a utility knife. Then>I sanded them smooth with a coarse disk sander on my drill. 8-10 hours per>tire and lotsa black snot.>>I covered mine with fabric. Relatively easy and looks pretty good.>>JMG>-----Original Message----->From: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:18 PM>Subject: RE: Sky Scout>>>>Earl,>>>>Attached is the Piet Newsletter notes that I have taken. Open thedocument>>then hit EDIT and FIND. Then type in a key word such as "Model A" or>>"wheels". The search will stop at these words and you can see which>>newsletter is applicable. The drawback is that you will have to have all>of>>the back issues for it to be helpful.>>>> >>>>I haven't really compiled all of the mistakes or typos that I have run>>across in the plans. I think that the best way would be for us to pass>>around a "Word" document that we could each add to. We could have a Sky>>Scout and Aircamper document. I'll start with the points that you have>>made, add my own, then pass it along. What do you think?>>>>Now you've made me nervous about the bolt hole spacing. I noticed that>some>>fittings would not fit if made per the plans (of course I discovered this>>after making them--shame on me --or shame on the 70 year old un-corrected>>plans?). Anyway, if that is the problem then I am ok. However, if the>>problem is that the original spacing is inadequate to provide the proper>>strength--then I am in trouble.>>>>I had my wheel hubs made per the plans in one of the old newsletters. I>had>>the wheels spoked by Buchanon's Motorcycle in California. Next I need 21">>tires. I would prefer smooth tread. Do you have any ideas?>>>>I would also like to cover the wheels. Should I use fabric or aluminum?>>>>Have you had your Model A engine rebuilt yet?>>>>Where did you get your radiator?>>>>Thanks,>>>>> ----------
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Lassetter, Russell B (Russell)
Russell,Here's what I did re: tires and wheels:I bought 21" knobby tires and cut the knobs off with a utility knife. ThenI sanded them smooth with a coarse disk sander on my drill. 8-10 hours pertire and lotsa black snot.I covered mine with fabric. Relatively easy and looks pretty good.JMG-----Original Message-----
Russell,Here's what I did re: tires and wheels:I bought 21" knobby tires and cut the knobs off with a utility knife. ThenI sanded them smooth with a coarse disk sander on my drill. 8-10 hours pertire and lotsa black snot.I covered mine with fabric. Relatively easy and looks pretty good.JMG-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
John; The Piet Ford's on warm days seem to use 400-600 feet of roll, one person,short grass. The rate of climb (memory here) is 200-300' per minute. Irecall that being more "remarkable" than takeoff roll. This was a "normal"alum head, 76x42 wooden prop, light weight Ford Piet. By warm I mean 82 orso, little wind. I have only been in the Cont Piets., My size (235#)blocking the view being more of a problem than takeoff roll. Rate of climbsuffered tho. With the Ford, pick your days, people, wind & Temp andOBSTRUCTIONS at the end of the runway......Density altitude is a factor aswell.....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
John; The Piet Ford's on warm days seem to use 400-600 feet of roll, one person,short grass. The rate of climb (memory here) is 200-300' per minute. Irecall that being more "remarkable" than takeoff roll. This was a "normal"alum head, 76x42 wooden prop, light weight Ford Piet. By warm I mean 82 orso, little wind. I have only been in the Cont Piets., My size (235#)blocking the view being more of a problem than takeoff roll. Rate of climbsuffered tho. With the Ford, pick your days, people, wind & Temp andOBSTRUCTIONS at the end of the runway......Density altitude is a factor aswell.....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
My friend Mark Langford from the KRNet and CorvAircraft lists made it to the fly-in at Alliance and stopped at the Lee Bottom field on his way back to his home field in Alabama. His pictures from Alliance included some of Frank Pavliga's "Sky Gypsy" ( http://krnet.org/alliance2007/ ).Mark spent some time in Australia a few weeks ago and sent this bit of information:>Speaking of famous Piets, did I tell you about the original Piet "Scout">that I saw in OZ? The data plate said Bernie himself built it, serial>number 1. Burt, the current owner, bought it from the EAA museum,>and is flying it regularly...Which probably makes it not only the oldest, but the southmost Sky Scout in the world ? ;o)Oscar ZunigaNX41CC putting time on the tachSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft ________________________________________________________________________________
My friend Mark Langford from the KRNet and CorvAircraft lists made it to the fly-in at Alliance and stopped at the Lee Bottom field on his way back to his home field in Alabama. His pictures from Alliance included some of Frank Pavliga's "Sky Gypsy" ( http://krnet.org/alliance2007/ ).Mark spent some time in Australia a few weeks ago and sent this bit of information:>Speaking of famous Piets, did I tell you about the original Piet "Scout">that I saw in OZ? The data plate said Bernie himself built it, serial>number 1. Burt, the current owner, bought it from the EAA museum,>and is flying it regularly...Which probably makes it not only the oldest, but the southmost Sky Scout in the world ? ;o)Oscar ZunigaNX41CC putting time on the tachSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________Dont miss your chance to WIN $10,000 and other great prizes from Microsoft ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Original Posted By: "Glenn W. Thomas"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?Thanks GlennBut it's too late for me to learn new tricks. Steve Ruse and Walt Evans have both taken over the builder's directory, so called, and will see it through to everyone's satisfaction and that I'll be able to tell Isabelle where "ole Joe" lives. Thanks to all on the list for such an overwhelmning response.Corky************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:17:24 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?Thanks GlennBut it's too late for me to learn new tricks. Steve Ruse and Walt Evans have both taken over the builder's directory, so called, and will see it through to everyone's satisfaction and that I'll be able to tell Isabelle where "ole Joe" lives. Thanks to all on the list for such an overwhelmning response.Corky************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:17:24 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Great job on the Photo's.----- Original Message -----
Great job on the Photo's.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Update on Piet Directory-final decision?
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: santiago morete
Hello All,I have a Pietenpol Sky Scout project that I built and will sell for $5,000.Fuselage is built and on the gear.Tail surfaces are completed but not covered.Spoked wheels and tires per original plans using fabricated 4130-steel hubs.Tail skid.Model-A engine is mounted but engine needs overhaul and conversion.Scimitar prop.Ribs are completed.I have spars.I have a picture if anyone is interested. Excellent workmanship. I couldalso finish it for someone.Thanks,Russ LassetterCleveland, GArblassett(at)alltel.net706-348-7514________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:57:53 -0300 (ART)
Hello All,I have a Pietenpol Sky Scout project that I built and will sell for $5,000.Fuselage is built and on the gear.Tail surfaces are completed but not covered.Spoked wheels and tires per original plans using fabricated 4130-steel hubs.Tail skid.Model-A engine is mounted but engine needs overhaul and conversion.Scimitar prop.Ribs are completed.I have spars.I have a picture if anyone is interested. Excellent workmanship. I couldalso finish it for someone.Thanks,Russ LassetterCleveland, GArblassett(at)alltel.net706-348-7514________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:57:53 -0300 (ART)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
These pics from N. California builder, Ray Krause, who writes the following:"Had a good weekend. All instruments have been mounted. Just trying tofigure out the guy wires for the cabanes. Just a little different than theAir Camper. No way to secure the front strut the way you fellows secure itto the base of the motor mount. May place a diagonal from the base of theback cabane to the top of front cabane. Other Sky Scouts have not donethat. Where is the structural strength."Ray's previous project is a most beautiful Waiex!Gary BootheNX308MB________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
These pics from N. California builder, Ray Krause, who writes the following:"Had a good weekend. All instruments have been mounted. Just trying tofigure out the guy wires for the cabanes. Just a little different than theAir Camper. No way to secure the front strut the way you fellows secure itto the base of the motor mount. May place a diagonal from the base of theback cabane to the top of front cabane. Other Sky Scouts have not donethat. Where is the structural strength."Ray's previous project is a most beautiful Waiex!Gary BootheNX308MB________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ray,Nice work!The reason for the diagonal brace tubes from the cabanes to the motor mounts onthe Air Camper is to allow the deletion of the criss-crossed cable bracing onthe side of the front cockpit. Maneuvering one's body into the front cockpitis extra difficult when there are the diagonal cables installed. With the SkyScout, there isn't a front cockpit. (Well, more accurately, there isn't a passengerseat.) So, there shouldn't be anyone trying to thread their body throughthose diagonal cables. In the photos, you already have fitted the diagonalcables. Those cables will provide the necessary bracing to support the cabanes,and prevent your wing from shifting fore and aft.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ray,Nice work!The reason for the diagonal brace tubes from the cabanes to the motor mounts onthe Air Camper is to allow the deletion of the criss-crossed cable bracing onthe side of the front cockpit. Maneuvering one's body into the front cockpitis extra difficult when there are the diagonal cables installed. With the SkyScout, there isn't a front cockpit. (Well, more accurately, there isn't a passengerseat.) So, there shouldn't be anyone trying to thread their body throughthose diagonal cables. In the photos, you already have fitted the diagonalcables. Those cables will provide the necessary bracing to support the cabanes,and prevent your wing from shifting fore and aft.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Gary,Thanks for putting the photos on the Piet forum, now I don't have to figure out how to do that with multiple photos. I now have more time for building!Sorry you did not make it into the air yesterday with your Piet. I was thinking about you as the wind picked up here.Chris and Bill,Thanks for the comments and compliments, I can use the former and appreciate the later. As I lay awake last night pondering the cross wires dilemma, I concluded that it would all work out once the center section is in place. But before I do that, I will have to raise the ceiling of my shop! No wonder Piets take so long to build. Of course, the final cables will be installed properly, this is just cable from the aviation section of Ace Hardware. But you know, it looks EXACTLY like that which I received from ACS! Bill, I have decided to cover this front section with aluminum and maybe make a hatch for storage; but I don't think I will ever get far enough from home to need anything that won't fit in the turtle deck! The tank holds 10 gallons, about 2 hrs with reserve, that should get me to Willows for breakfast! After flying the Waiex for four years, I took the Aeronca to Willows and had a north headwind of at least 20 MPH at 2000' (took 15 minutes to get that high, mistake #1) I thought I would never get there (25 air miles)! Even the street sweeper on the freeway passed me up! And to think I'm building a slower plane! Thanks, everyone,Hope to see a few of you November 9, AM. Everyone is welcome!RaySent from my iPad> On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:25 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > These pics from N. California builder, Ray Krause, who writes the following:> > =9CHad a good weekend. All instruments have been mounted. Just trying to figure out the guy wires for the cabanes. Just a little different than the Air Camper. No way to secure the front strut the way you fellows secure it to the base of the motor mount. May place a diagonal from the base of the back cabane to the top of front cabane. Other Sky Scouts have not done that. Where is the structural strength=9D> > Ray=99s previous project is a most beautiful Waiex!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Gary,Thanks for putting the photos on the Piet forum, now I don't have to figure out how to do that with multiple photos. I now have more time for building!Sorry you did not make it into the air yesterday with your Piet. I was thinking about you as the wind picked up here.Chris and Bill,Thanks for the comments and compliments, I can use the former and appreciate the later. As I lay awake last night pondering the cross wires dilemma, I concluded that it would all work out once the center section is in place. But before I do that, I will have to raise the ceiling of my shop! No wonder Piets take so long to build. Of course, the final cables will be installed properly, this is just cable from the aviation section of Ace Hardware. But you know, it looks EXACTLY like that which I received from ACS! Bill, I have decided to cover this front section with aluminum and maybe make a hatch for storage; but I don't think I will ever get far enough from home to need anything that won't fit in the turtle deck! The tank holds 10 gallons, about 2 hrs with reserve, that should get me to Willows for breakfast! After flying the Waiex for four years, I took the Aeronca to Willows and had a north headwind of at least 20 MPH at 2000' (took 15 minutes to get that high, mistake #1) I thought I would never get there (25 air miles)! Even the street sweeper on the freeway passed me up! And to think I'm building a slower plane! Thanks, everyone,Hope to see a few of you November 9, AM. Everyone is welcome!RaySent from my iPad> On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:25 AM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> > These pics from N. California builder, Ray Krause, who writes the following:> > =9CHad a good weekend. All instruments have been mounted. Just trying to figure out the guy wires for the cabanes. Just a little different than the Air Camper. No way to secure the front strut the way you fellows secure it to the base of the motor mount. May place a diagonal from the base of the back cabane to the top of front cabane. Other Sky Scouts have not done that. Where is the structural strength=9D> > Ray=99s previous project is a most beautiful Waiex!> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Scott,Problem solved! I just removed the wheels and set the axles on the dollies, work great. The center section is mounted and very sturdy. Things are going well. Hope to do some covering this winter.Thanks, Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:06 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> ty.org>> > Ray,> > Great Pics. Wish I was up there to have a close look at it. Looks like excellent workmanship. > > I have an idea that could save you a whole lot of building time. Instead of raising the roof of your shop you could remove the landing gear and put the fuse on a low dolly to move it around. Besides it is a lot easier to cover without the gear on it. This way you will get to the Frazuer Lake gathering sooner.> > Just Sayin,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 669#411669> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Scott,Problem solved! I just removed the wheels and set the axles on the dollies, work great. The center section is mounted and very sturdy. Things are going well. Hope to do some covering this winter.Thanks, Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Oct 29, 2013, at 6:06 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> ty.org>> > Ray,> > Great Pics. Wish I was up there to have a close look at it. Looks like excellent workmanship. > > I have an idea that could save you a whole lot of building time. Instead of raising the roof of your shop you could remove the landing gear and put the fuse on a low dolly to move it around. Besides it is a lot easier to cover without the gear on it. This way you will get to the Frazuer Lake gathering sooner.> > Just Sayin,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 669#411669> > > > > > > ============================================================================================================================================> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Congrats Jerry! Will we see you at Barnwell, SC during the Corvair college? I'msure your Piet would look great next to P.F.'s and Dons!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Congrats Jerry! Will we see you at Barnwell, SC during the Corvair college? I'msure your Piet would look great next to P.F.'s and Dons!--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By:
Good job,You must have done that before my post. It's great to see the center section onit like that. Looks like it wants to fly.I was wondering if you wear a hard hat in there to keep from banging your headon the ceiling? Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutDate: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:54:50 -0600
Good job,You must have done that before my post. It's great to see the center section onit like that. Looks like it wants to fly.I was wondering if you wear a hard hat in there to keep from banging your headon the ceiling? Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutDate: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:54:50 -0600
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Just a lot of bumps on my head!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:40 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Good job,> > You must have done that before my post. It's great to see the center sectionon it like that. Looks like it wants to fly.> > I was wondering if you wear a hard hat in there to keep from banging your headon the ceiling? > > Cheers,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 686#411686> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Just a lot of bumps on my head!Ray KrauseSent from my iPad> On Oct 29, 2013, at 9:40 AM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Good job,> > You must have done that before my post. It's great to see the center sectionon it like that. Looks like it wants to fly.> > I was wondering if you wear a hard hat in there to keep from banging your headon the ceiling? > > Cheers,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 686#411686> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "Tim70"
Bought dan prop carving book, and glued up some beech hardwood tonight, stay tunedfor the carving--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Bought dan prop carving book, and glued up some beech hardwood tonight, stay tunedfor the carving--------NX321LRNow test flying!!Mitsubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Ray, I thought I replied I won't make it on the 9th. I'm driving to Barnwell forthe meeting of car engine aircraft mechanics. Have Chris take good notes andshare with me later. On this same thread,Oscar if your flying south please stop in Oroville as wehave an excellent airport and fuel available. I'm also retired and would be ladto show you around. Tim WallRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ray, I thought I replied I won't make it on the 9th. I'm driving to Barnwell forthe meeting of car engine aircraft mechanics. Have Chris take good notes andshare with me later. On this same thread,Oscar if your flying south please stop in Oroville as wehave an excellent airport and fuel available. I'm also retired and would be ladto show you around. Tim WallRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Tim,Sorry you won't make it, but I should see you in Oroville sometime. Building aCorvair?Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:04 PM, "Tim70" wrote:> > > Ray, I thought I replied I won't make it on the 9th. I'm driving to Barnwellfor the meeting of car engine aircraft mechanics. Have Chris take good notesand share with me later. > On this same thread,Oscar if your flying south please stop in Oroville as wehave an excellent airport and fuel available. I'm also retired and would belad to show you around.> Tim Wall> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 812#411812> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:22:08 -0700
Tim,Sorry you won't make it, but I should see you in Oroville sometime. Building aCorvair?Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On Oct 31, 2013, at 8:04 PM, "Tim70" wrote:> > > Ray, I thought I replied I won't make it on the 9th. I'm driving to Barnwellfor the meeting of car engine aircraft mechanics. Have Chris take good notesand share with me later. > On this same thread,Oscar if your flying south please stop in Oroville as wehave an excellent airport and fuel available. I'm also retired and would belad to show you around.> Tim Wall> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 812#411812> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:22:08 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Well Jim, the "People's Piet" looks good in pastel colored stripes ;o) Sure isgoing to scare the chickens when you light off the engine though. Probably pullthe side off the barn when you hook up the fish scales, too ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Well Jim, the "People's Piet" looks good in pastel colored stripes ;o) Sure isgoing to scare the chickens when you light off the engine though. Probably pullthe side off the barn when you hook up the fish scales, too ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Hey Oscar,Yes I am going to do that and it is also getting wheels and skiis for the winter, I have one more session to go in putting together my corvair engine, I am slowly working on everything trying hard not to be in a hurry, with the weather in St Paul that's not hard, plus working on my broken hangar door.Dick N----- Original Message -----
Hey Oscar,Yes I am going to do that and it is also getting wheels and skiis for the winter, I have one more session to go in putting together my corvair engine, I am slowly working on everything trying hard not to be in a hurry, with the weather in St Paul that's not hard, plus working on my broken hangar door.Dick N----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Hello Ray. I am down with the heat muff on the Scout. Do you have feedback on howwell it does/does not work?--------Mike PerezRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Hello Ray. I am down with the heat muff on the Scout. Do you have feedback on howwell it does/does not work?--------Mike PerezRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "(null) raykrause"
I am considering building a Sky Scout. I have some questions.I am 5 foot 9 in tall and weigh 220 lbs. will I fit in one and the CG be ok?Who else on the list is building or flying one?What is the hardest part about building one?ThanksMike Townsleymiket(at)southslope.net--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I am considering building a Sky Scout. I have some questions.I am 5 foot 9 in tall and weigh 220 lbs. will I fit in one and the CG be ok?Who else on the list is building or flying one?What is the hardest part about building one?ThanksMike Townsleymiket(at)southslope.net--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rebuilding plus questions about elevator cable
Original Posted By: Glen Schweizer
Mike,I've run the engine maybe 10 times, but I've not actually tried the carb heat,can you believe that? Depending on other obligations, I might try it this week,or early next week. Please check back with me, if I don't respond.RaySent from my iPad> On Nov 28, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Speedbrake wrote:> > > Hello Ray. I am down with the heat muff on the Scout. Do you have feedback onhow well it does/does not work?> > --------> Mike Perez> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 303#463303> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Mike,I've run the engine maybe 10 times, but I've not actually tried the carb heat,can you believe that? Depending on other obligations, I might try it this week,or early next week. Please check back with me, if I don't respond.RaySent from my iPad> On Nov 28, 2016, at 7:05 AM, Speedbrake wrote:> > > Hello Ray. I am down with the heat muff on the Scout. Do you have feedback onhow well it does/does not work?> > --------> Mike Perez> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 303#463303> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky ScoutHello MikeSearch west coast Pietenpol. Enormous amount of info there. If you want to lookat plans, flying and glider manual reprints are available through EAA website Construction pretty straightforward but this is an airplane you are building.It's a long-term project but very satisfying. If you are married get the wifeon board or it won't happen if you're not married consider marrying the projectbecause that's what kind of devotion it takes. Although they have been built in the space equivalent to a single car garageyou really need more space shop organization is critical although you don't reallyneed that many tools You really can learn a lot more on the West Coast Piet site and the archivesof this site than any one person can tell you. Anyway welcome to the neighborhood> On Nov 28, 2016, at 7:26 AM, iowaboy wrote:> > > I am considering building a Sky Scout. I have some questions.> > I am 5 foot 9 in tall and weigh 220 lbs. will I fit in one and the CG be ok?> > Who else on the list is building or flying one?> > What is the hardest part about building one?> Thanks> Mike Townsley> miket(at)southslope.net> > --------> Serve the Lord with gladness,> Mike> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 305#463305> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky ScoutHello MikeSearch west coast Pietenpol. Enormous amount of info there. If you want to lookat plans, flying and glider manual reprints are available through EAA website Construction pretty straightforward but this is an airplane you are building.It's a long-term project but very satisfying. If you are married get the wifeon board or it won't happen if you're not married consider marrying the projectbecause that's what kind of devotion it takes. Although they have been built in the space equivalent to a single car garageyou really need more space shop organization is critical although you don't reallyneed that many tools You really can learn a lot more on the West Coast Piet site and the archivesof this site than any one person can tell you. Anyway welcome to the neighborhood> On Nov 28, 2016, at 7:26 AM, iowaboy wrote:> > > I am considering building a Sky Scout. I have some questions.> > I am 5 foot 9 in tall and weigh 220 lbs. will I fit in one and the CG be ok?> > Who else on the list is building or flying one?> > What is the hardest part about building one?> Thanks> Mike Townsley> miket(at)southslope.net> > --------> Serve the Lord with gladness,> Mike> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 305#463305> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Mike,If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber has really nice stuff forI believe around $10 BFwelcome to the group! Jon--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Mike,If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber has really nice stuff forI believe around $10 BFwelcome to the group! Jon--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Mike,If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber has really nice stuff forI believe around $10 BFwelcome to the group! Jon--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Mike,If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber has really nice stuff forI believe around $10 BFwelcome to the group! Jon--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "tools"
wheelharp wrote:> Mike,> > If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber in Madison WI has reallynice stuff for I believe around $10 BF> > welcome to the group! > > JonJon,Thanks for the tip. I have some spruce and some doug fir already but I will probablyneed to get more. It is good to know about McCormick Lumber, I hope I canget up there some day. Do you know what dimensions their boards are?Thanks much,Mike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
wheelharp wrote:> Mike,> > If you have tools to dimension your own lumber, you are 3 hrs away from a reallygood source for rough Sitka spruce. McCormick lumber in Madison WI has reallynice stuff for I believe around $10 BF> > welcome to the group! > > JonJon,Thanks for the tip. I have some spruce and some doug fir already but I will probablyneed to get more. It is good to know about McCormick Lumber, I hope I canget up there some day. Do you know what dimensions their boards are?Thanks much,Mike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Every time I've been there they've had 4/4 and 5/4, random widths with most around5 to 6 inches. Super clear 16 ft lengths or a little more.The 5/4 easily dimensions to 1" if you want very simple one piece spars. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Every time I've been there they've had 4/4 and 5/4, random widths with most around5 to 6 inches. Super clear 16 ft lengths or a little more.The 5/4 easily dimensions to 1" if you want very simple one piece spars. ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Mike; I'm curious to know why you've decided on the 1-place Sky Scout over the2-place Air Camper? Performance is about the same, construction is about thesame (give or take one set of controls), cost to build and operate will be aboutthe same. Not criticizing your decision... just wondering. Welcome to thelist!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Mike; I'm curious to know why you've decided on the 1-place Sky Scout over the2-place Air Camper? Performance is about the same, construction is about thesame (give or take one set of controls), cost to build and operate will be aboutthe same. Not criticizing your decision... just wondering. Welcome to thelist!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: sky scout vs Air CamperMike, I agree with Oscar (man, I am swallowing my pride). Take a good lookat the Air Camper.Taking someone up flying is one of the great joys of flying for me.-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Subject: Pietenpol-List: sky scout vs Air CamperMike, I agree with Oscar (man, I am swallowing my pride). Take a good lookat the Air Camper.Taking someone up flying is one of the great joys of flying for me.-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
taildrags wrote:> Mike; I'm curious to know why you've decided on the 1-place Sky Scout over the2-place Air Camper? Performance is about the same, construction is about thesame (give or take one set of controls), cost to build and operate will be aboutthe same. Not criticizing your decision... just wondering. Welcome to thelist!Well I could get my wife to agree on this one. I don't know that any of my familyis interested in flying in an airplane I would build....I have consideredthe Air Camper and do have plans for it too. I may change my mind?? I was lookingfor a very simple to build airplane that is not hot to fly, and fun opencockpit. Thanks for asking. I weight 220-225 lbs and am 5' 9" tall. Chad Willie hinted that I might weighto much for the Scout to get the CG right...What do all of you know about heavierpilots and Piet airplanes??ThanksMike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
taildrags wrote:> Mike; I'm curious to know why you've decided on the 1-place Sky Scout over the2-place Air Camper? Performance is about the same, construction is about thesame (give or take one set of controls), cost to build and operate will be aboutthe same. Not criticizing your decision... just wondering. Welcome to thelist!Well I could get my wife to agree on this one. I don't know that any of my familyis interested in flying in an airplane I would build....I have consideredthe Air Camper and do have plans for it too. I may change my mind?? I was lookingfor a very simple to build airplane that is not hot to fly, and fun opencockpit. Thanks for asking. I weight 220-225 lbs and am 5' 9" tall. Chad Willie hinted that I might weighto much for the Scout to get the CG right...What do all of you know about heavierpilots and Piet airplanes??ThanksMike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "(null) raykrause"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutMike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when theaverage size was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170and now the FAA says an average male is 191.The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camperhas about a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The listeven has a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat AirCamper.You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modificationsfor bigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is notoverly large.-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutMike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when theaverage size was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170and now the FAA says an average male is 191.The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camperhas about a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The listeven has a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat AirCamper.You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modificationsfor bigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is notoverly large.-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Glen Schweizer
The Scout was designed for the Model T engine which produced about 25 HP. It'sa real hot rod with 65 HP, so I've been told! I think Scott Liefeld has flownat least one of them. He might comment. And I think he's a little larger than170 lbs? Sorry Scott, my memory might be failing a little!RaySent from my iPad> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the averagesize was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAAsays an average male is 191. > > The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper hasabout a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list evenhas a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.> > > You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications forbigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.> > -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
The Scout was designed for the Model T engine which produced about 25 HP. It'sa real hot rod with 65 HP, so I've been told! I think Scott Liefeld has flownat least one of them. He might comment. And I think he's a little larger than170 lbs? Sorry Scott, my memory might be failing a little!RaySent from my iPad> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the averagesize was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAAsays an average male is 191. > > The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper hasabout a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list evenhas a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.> > > You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications forbigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.> > -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutI'm building Chad willie's biplane version(originally a field mod). I widened myfus to 30". It'll have about 250square feet of wing surface. Lift,anyone?additionalfus and center section weight penalty about 7pounds> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the averagesize was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAAsays an average male is 191. > > The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper hasabout a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list evenhas a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.> > > You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications forbigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.> > -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:49:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky ScoutI'm building Chad willie's biplane version(originally a field mod). I widened myfus to 30". It'll have about 250square feet of wing surface. Lift,anyone?additionalfus and center section weight penalty about 7pounds> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> > Mike, the plane was designed by Mr Pietenpol for 1930s guys when the averagesize was around 150-160 pounds. in the 1950s it increased to 170 and now the FAAsays an average male is 191. > > The plane will certainly fly with you in it weight wise, but The Air Camper hasabout a foot longer wing span and can handle bigger engines. The list evenhas a builder who is really big and he is building a single seat Air Camper.> > > You might consider the long fuselage. and some of the other modifications forbigger guys. My cockpit is the short fuselage and at 5'7" it is not overly large.> > -- > Blue Skies,> Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2016 09:49:13 -0800
Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Thanks Ray.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Mike,Ray is correct. I have flown both the "T" and "A" powered Scouts. I probablyweighed about 190 lbs when I did fly them. The "A" flew very nicely and was likea sports car. The "T" was very under-powered and I didn't get more than about20' AGL since I took off from about 2850' MSL. The "T" flew like it wastail heavy. The "A" was balanced perfectly. It was 20 years ago. I weighed as much as 232 lbs flying my Cont. powered Aircamper.This is not a problem. I have since lost 40 lbs and back down to the190 lb range again. My plane is much happier now.Ray could probably give you the best pilot weight range since he has completedthe most recent SkyScout. Yes Ray, I just threw you under the same bus. We mayas well stick together. Conclusion here is that you should pay very close attention and build a light airplane.Forrest Lovely mentioned the other day that the "A" powered Piet weighed593 lbs after he rebuilt it. This is the one I flew. You can probably builda Scout to work with your pilot weight. Just compute the CG multiple timesduring the build process.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Mike,Ray is correct. I have flown both the "T" and "A" powered Scouts. I probablyweighed about 190 lbs when I did fly them. The "A" flew very nicely and was likea sports car. The "T" was very under-powered and I didn't get more than about20' AGL since I took off from about 2850' MSL. The "T" flew like it wastail heavy. The "A" was balanced perfectly. It was 20 years ago. I weighed as much as 232 lbs flying my Cont. powered Aircamper.This is not a problem. I have since lost 40 lbs and back down to the190 lb range again. My plane is much happier now.Ray could probably give you the best pilot weight range since he has completedthe most recent SkyScout. Yes Ray, I just threw you under the same bus. We mayas well stick together. Conclusion here is that you should pay very close attention and build a light airplane.Forrest Lovely mentioned the other day that the "A" powered Piet weighed593 lbs after he rebuilt it. This is the one I flew. You can probably builda Scout to work with your pilot weight. Just compute the CG multiple timesduring the build process.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout
Pietenpol-List: Re: sky scout vs Air Camper
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Thanks guys for the great advice! Mike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: sky scout vs Air Camper
Thanks guys for the great advice! Mike--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: sky scout vs Air Camper
Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !
Original Posted By: "iowaboy"
Thanks Steve...I am thinking about it hard. Mike Townsley--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !
Thanks Steve...I am thinking about it hard. Mike Townsley--------Serve the Lord with gladness,MikeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Patricia's Pietenpol flies !