Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An 'A' I'm looking at>Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a>look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?>>http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1. ... 3.jpg>>The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found, and>very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a>second opinion.>>Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?>>Richard>>>==>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -GordonBaxter>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: An 'A' I'm looking at
Pietenpol-List: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: Mpj01(at)aol.com
Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take alook at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying? http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1. ... ic3.jpgThe guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found, andvery little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use asecond opinion.Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?Richard==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take alook at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying? http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1. ... ic3.jpgThe guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found, andvery little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use asecond opinion.Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?Richard==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at>I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I>did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in>California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.>Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at>I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I>did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in>California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.>Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By:>> Richard DeCosta
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at>I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I>did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in>California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.>Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.>>>---Earl Myers wrote:>>>> Richard;>> I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They>were>> nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these>had any>> of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by>hand (mine>> did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to>cyl that>> you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a>chance on>> the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor>heads. You>> could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break>even.Go for it>> and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet>to be>> converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it>for>> break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original>> engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the>> extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a>racing Model>> T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down>low. I>> also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All>my "A">> parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal>> with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is>building>> one.>> Earl>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at>I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I>did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in>California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.>Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.>>>---Earl Myers wrote:>>>> Richard;>> I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They>were>> nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these>had any>> of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by>hand (mine>> did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to>cyl that>> you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a>chance on>> the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor>heads. You>> could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break>even.Go for it>> and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet>to be>> converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it>for>> break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original>> engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the>> extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a>racing Model>> T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down>low. I>> also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All>my "A">> parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal>> with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is>building>> one.>> Earl>> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Richard; I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They werenowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these had anyof the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by hand (minedid) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to cyl thatyou can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a chance onthe thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor heads. Youcould sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break even.Go for itand hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet to beconverted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it forbreak-in then removed from the car and replaced with the originalengine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all theextras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a racing ModelT H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down low. Ialso bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All my "A"parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to dealwith....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is buildingone.Earl-----Original Message-----
Richard; I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They werenowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these had anyof the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by hand (minedid) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to cyl thatyou can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a chance onthe thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor heads. Youcould sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break even.Go for itand hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet to beconverted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it forbreak-in then removed from the car and replaced with the originalengine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all theextras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a racing ModelT H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down low. Ialso bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All my "A"parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to dealwith....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is buildingone.Earl-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By:> Richard DeCosta
I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (Idid find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its inCalifornia and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.---Earl Myers wrote:>> Richard;> I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. Theywere> nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of thesehad any> of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over byhand (mine> did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve tocyl that> you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking achance on> the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories norheads. You> could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST breakeven.Go for it> and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yetto be> converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on itfor> break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original> engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the> extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought aracing Model> T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted downlow. I> also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. Allmy "A"> parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal> with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager isbuilding> one.> Earl> -----Original Message-----
I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (Idid find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its inCalifornia and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.---Earl Myers wrote:>> Richard;> I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. Theywere> nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of thesehad any> of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over byhand (mine> did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve tocyl that> you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking achance on> the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories norheads. You> could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST breakeven.Go for it> and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yetto be> converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on itfor> break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original> engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the> extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought aracing Model> T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted downlow. I> also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. Allmy "A"> parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal> with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager isbuilding> one.> Earl> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Is this the same engine as in the photos (afetr it was removed)? One that isrunning is much better that one that isn't assuming all else is OK.......Youmight want to look into the CA engine. If it "sounds" good, swallow thefreight and go for it. It is a better place to start I guess. The blocks Imentioned were found outside behind garages.............still don't know ifthey can be rebuilt but the extra parts paid for the cost of buying them(clutches, bellhousings, etc)-----Original Message-----
Is this the same engine as in the photos (afetr it was removed)? One that isrunning is much better that one that isn't assuming all else is OK.......Youmight want to look into the CA engine. If it "sounds" good, swallow thefreight and go for it. It is a better place to start I guess. The blocks Imentioned were found outside behind garages.............still don't know ifthey can be rebuilt but the extra parts paid for the cost of buying them(clutches, bellhousings, etc)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Richard, Can you find someone who can measure the cylinders of the one you havephoto's of? Bore size will tell you if it can be rebored again. I wouldn'tadvise reusing the pistons as the ring lands will likely be worn. If you canturn it over and have a dial indicator resting on the valves you can get avery good idea of the camshafts wear. (I have the specs buried on my desksomewhere) For now just see that all the ex valves have the same lift andthat all the intakes are the same as well. Valve clearance will change thisa bit, you can measure it and add it to be more accurate. The camshaft isthe key to a good performing model A as breathing is their weakness. Thecondition of the crank and babbit is not really relevant, nor is the bore,other than if it already bored out too far.The "Short block" is really all you are looking for. I would suggest thatyou grab the one you have close by and try to sell off all the stuff youdon't need. I wouldn't feel safe just buying an engine of that age putting on thealuminum head and doing the other conversions without doing a thouroughrebuild.The fibre cam gears are prone to failure and the babbit job may bequestionable even on the running engine.The rebuild to like new on a model A will still be cheaper than the samework done on an aircraft engine. Save the cross continent frieght and put the funds into good quality newparts. Check out the BPA website there are a few good pic's of engines and someeven using small block "chevy" pistons.John Mc-----Original Message-----
Richard, Can you find someone who can measure the cylinders of the one you havephoto's of? Bore size will tell you if it can be rebored again. I wouldn'tadvise reusing the pistons as the ring lands will likely be worn. If you canturn it over and have a dial indicator resting on the valves you can get avery good idea of the camshafts wear. (I have the specs buried on my desksomewhere) For now just see that all the ex valves have the same lift andthat all the intakes are the same as well. Valve clearance will change thisa bit, you can measure it and add it to be more accurate. The camshaft isthe key to a good performing model A as breathing is their weakness. Thecondition of the crank and babbit is not really relevant, nor is the bore,other than if it already bored out too far.The "Short block" is really all you are looking for. I would suggest thatyou grab the one you have close by and try to sell off all the stuff youdon't need. I wouldn't feel safe just buying an engine of that age putting on thealuminum head and doing the other conversions without doing a thouroughrebuild.The fibre cam gears are prone to failure and the babbit job may bequestionable even on the running engine.The rebuild to like new on a model A will still be cheaper than the samework done on an aircraft engine. Save the cross continent frieght and put the funds into good quality newparts. Check out the BPA website there are a few good pic's of engines and someeven using small block "chevy" pistons.John Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By:> > Richard DeCosta
Richard DeCosta wrote:> > I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I> did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in> California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.> Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.> > ---Earl Myers wrote:> >> > Richard;> > I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They> were> > nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these> had any> > of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by> hand (mine> > did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to> cyl that> > you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a> chance on> > the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor> heads. You> > could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break> even.Go for it> > and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet> to be> > converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it> for> > break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original> > engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the> > extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a> racing Model> > T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down> low. I> > also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All> my "A"> > parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal> > with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is> building> > one.> > Earl> > -----Original Message-----
Richard DeCosta wrote:> > I suppose then, that if I found one for $300 that is RUNNING now... (I> did find one like that!). I should grab it? The only prob is its in> California and Im in Maine, making shipping almost $300 as well.> Unless I can find a REAL cheap way to get it here.> > ---Earl Myers wrote:> >> > Richard;> > I have 3 Piet (ford) engines. I paid $200-$400 each for them. They> were> > nowhere near the APPEARENCE of the one depicted below. None of these> had any> > of the accessories either. If this engine at least turns over by> hand (mine> > did) and there are no visible cracks cyl to cyl or exhaust valve to> cyl that> > you can see, i would take it if it were me. You still are taking a> chance on> > the thing being rebuildable. None of mine had the accessories nor> heads. You> > could sell all those extras at a swap meet and at LEAST break> even.Go for it> > and hold your breath a bit........the engine I used in my Piet (yet> to be> > converted) cost $1,000. It was recently rebuilt with 5oo miles on it> for> > break-in then removed from the car and replaced with the original> > engine.This had only the head and complete block. I had to buy all the> > extras (carb, intake, alum head, H2o pump on so on. I bought a> racing Model> > T H2o pump by the way...long thin tube with impellors mounted down> low. I> > also bought a new, stainless, lifetime stock pump as a back up. All> my "A"> > parts came from Snyder's here in Ohio, good company to deal> > with....knowledgeable and they do speak "Piet" as the manager is> building> > one.> > Earl> > -----Original Message-----
> An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: fishin
> Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at> > > >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a> >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?> >> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg> >> >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,and> >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a> >second opinion.> >> >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?> >> >Richard> >> >> >> >> >==> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> >> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."-Gordon> Baxter> >> >> >> >> > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at> > > >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a> >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?> >> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg> >> >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,and> >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a> >second opinion.> >> >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?> >> >Richard> >> >> >> >> >==> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> >> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."-Gordon> Baxter> >> >> >> >> > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
>> An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: arkiesacres(at)juno.com
>> Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at>>>>>> >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a>> >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?>> >>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg>> >>> >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,>and>> >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a>> >second opinion.>> >>> >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?>> >>> >Richard>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >==>> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:>> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968>> >>> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God.">-Gordon>> Baxter>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>==>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -GordonBaxter>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at>>>>>> >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a>> >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?>> >>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg>> >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg>> >>> >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,>and>> >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a>> >second opinion.>> >>> >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?>> >>> >Richard>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >==>> >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>> >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:>> >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968>> >>> >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God.">-Gordon>> Baxter>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>==>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:>http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -GordonBaxter>>________________________________________________________________________________
> > An 'A' I'm looking at
Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
> > Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at> >> >> > >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a> > >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?> > >> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg> > >> > >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,> and> > >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a> > >second opinion.> > >> > >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?> > >> > >Richard> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >==> > >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> > >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> > >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > >> > >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."> -Gordon> > Baxter> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter> > There is one way. It's called the backhaul. Call some private truckingcompany and find out if they are hauling to california and coming backempty or lightly loaded. Often they will help you for $50 or some liquidbarter.Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: An 'A' I'm looking at> >> >> > >Could I get anyone on the list who has the time & knowledge to take a> > >look at these pics of an 'A' engine I am looking at buying?> > >> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic1.jpg> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic2.jpg> > >http://207.140.1.5/99/ModelAEnginePic3.jpg> > >> > >The guy opened it for me and says there are no cracks to be found,> and> > >very little wear on all parts. I am not an expert, so I could use a> > >second opinion.> > >> > >Also, is $350 a good price fo this engine?> > >> > >Richard> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >==> > >http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> > >Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> > >http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > >> > >"Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God."> -Gordon> > Baxter> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter> > There is one way. It's called the backhaul. Call some private truckingcompany and find out if they are hauling to california and coming backempty or lightly loaded. Often they will help you for $50 or some liquidbarter.Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________