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Original Posted By: Gary Woodbridge
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Walter Micron engines>Howard,>>What is the URL for their Web Site?>>By the way, your computer is back to the furture. This email wasdated>6/18/99 11:59>>Thanks,>Gary>>>Howard Wilkinson wrote:>>> I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines whichare>> being imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.>> Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tables>> describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of the>> Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to demand.The>> Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct drive>> engine which has been in production for many years..... I don'tknow>> the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one lastWalter>> Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $6900.00........>> A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are not>> conversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviationengine.>> The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine is>> fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which range from120>> to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also available in a6>> cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a120>> HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get about 18%off>> which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks verycompetetive>> considering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work I>> suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline inverted>> engines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of yourface,>> but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be areasonable>> choice.>> Thought this information might be of interest to somebody...;-)>> H.W.>>>> WALTER MIKRON III AE>> TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER>> Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches>> Compression Ratio 6:1>> Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pump>> Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pump>> Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type>> Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KW>> Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.>> Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.>> Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia>> Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT, feathering-1.6 mdia>> Performance (HP/RPM)>> * Take-off 65/2600>> * Max. Continuous 65/2600>> * Max. Cruise 47/2350>> Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)>> * Cruise 4.23/2350>> * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000>> TBO 1200 Hrs>> Main Dimensions>>>> TECHNICAL>> SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B>> HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160>> No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4>> Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP>> Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft>> Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13>> Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53>> Displacement>> (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8>> Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1>> Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct>> Performance (HP/RPM)>> *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000>> *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400>> Fuel Consumption>> (US Gal./HR)>> *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6>> Recomended Fuel>> (Oct.) 78 ->> 100 LL 78 ->> 100 LL 78 ->> 100 LL 78 ->> 100 LL>> Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise>> TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000>> Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250>>>> Main Dimensions>> T = Center of Gravity>>>> MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated>> M332A Aerobatic, supercharged>> DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights>> AR "PUSHER" configuration>> B Increased take-off power>> +>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Walter Micron engines>Ken Beanlands wrote:>>> Keep in mind that it's designed to>> run as an INVERTED in-line. Advantage, better prop clearance.>> Disadvantage, odd looking Piet ;-)>>>> Ken>>>Ken,>> On the better prop clearance thing, are you suggesting raising the>thrust-line? How much is involved in making such a change?>>Dannymac>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Gene Tomblin
While we're talking about Polish engines, there are also the new PZMFranklin engines at $7900 USD for a 120 HP engine. You would need to add astarter, ~$300 USD, altenator (automotive) ~150 USD, mags ~$1200 USD andcarb ~700 USD. So, for approximately $10,350 USD you can get a new enginethat will fit on a Cont. mount. You could get it for even less if you canscare up a pair of mags (slick) and a carb (MS-3SPA). I'm getting a 150 hpversion for the Christavia. It's a fresh, rebuilt, first run engine andshould be here in Aug. Being a rebuilt, it was only $6500 USD and includesa starter.I was looking at the LOM engine this weekend on the Zlin 142. Nice engineand the owners are quite happy with it. Keep in mind that it's designed torun as an INVERTED in-line. Advantage, better prop clearance.Disadvantage, odd looking Piet ;-)KenOn Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:> I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines which are> being imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.> Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tables> describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of the> Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to demand. The> Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct drive> engine which has been in production for many years..... I don't know> the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one last Walter> Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $ 6900.00........> A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are not> conversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviation engine.> The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine is> fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which range from 120> to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also available in a 6> cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a 120> HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get about 18% off> which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks very competetive> considering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work I> suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline inverted> engines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of your face,> but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be a reasonable> choice.> Thought this information might be of interest to somebody... ;-)> H.W.> > > WALTER MIKRON III AE> TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER> Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches> Compression Ratio 6:1> Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pump> Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pump> Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type> Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KW> Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.> Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.> Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia> Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT, feathering-1.6 m dia> Performance (HP/RPM)> * Take-off 65/2600> * Max. Continuous 65/2600> * Max. Cruise 47/2350> Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)> * Cruise 4.23/2350> * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000> TBO 1200 Hrs> Main Dimensions> > > > > TECHNICAL> SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B> HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160> No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4> Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP> Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft> Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13> Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53> Displacement> (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8> Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1> Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct> Performance (HP/RPM)> *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000> *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400> Fuel Consumption> (US Gal./HR)> *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6> Recomended Fuel> (Oct.) 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL> Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise> TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000> Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250> > Main Dimensions> T = Center of Gravity> > MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated> M332A Aerobatic, supercharged> DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights> AR "PUSHER" configuration> B Increased take-off power> +> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Steve W
I think that would be the coolest engined piet on the planet! I would loveto cowl that baby. A LOM could be fully cowled with the air inlet on thebottom. Oh the dream...Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Behalf Of Ken> Beanlands> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 10:06 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Walter Micron engines>>> While we're talking about Polish engines, there are also the new PZM> Franklin engines at $7900 USD for a 120 HP engine. You would> need to add a> starter, ~$300 USD, altenator (automotive) ~150 USD, mags> ~$1200 USD and> carb ~700 USD. So, for approximately $10,350 USD you can get> a new engine> that will fit on a Cont. mount. You could get it for even> less if you can> scare up a pair of mags (slick) and a carb (MS-3SPA). I'm> getting a 150 hp> version for the Christavia. It's a fresh, rebuilt, first run> engine and> should be here in Aug. Being a rebuilt, it was only $6500 USD> and includes> a starter.>> I was looking at the LOM engine this weekend on the Zlin 142.> Nice engine> and the owners are quite happy with it. Keep in mind that> it's designed to> run as an INVERTED in-line. Advantage, better prop clearance.> Disadvantage, odd looking Piet ;-)>> Ken>> On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Howard Wilkinson wrote:>> > I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines which are> > being imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.> > Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tables> > describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of the> > Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to> demand. The> > Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct drive> > engine which has been in production for many years..... I> don't know> > the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one> last Walter> > Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $> 6900.00........> > A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are not> > conversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviation engine.> > The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine is> > fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which> range from 120> > to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also> available in a 6> > cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a 120> > HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get> about 18% off> > which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks very> competetive> > considering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work I> > suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline inverted> > engines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of your face,> > but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be a> reasonable> > choice.> > Thought this information might be of interest to> somebody... ;-)> > H.W.> >> >> > WALTER MIKRON III AE> > TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER> > Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches> > Compression Ratio 6:1> > Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pump> > Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pump> > Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type> > Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KW> > Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.> > Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.> > Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia> > Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT,> feathering-1.6 m dia> > Performance (HP/RPM)> > * Take-off 65/2600> > * Max. Continuous 65/2600> > * Max. Cruise 47/2350> > Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)> > * Cruise 4.23/2350> > * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000> > TBO 1200 Hrs> > Main Dimensions> >> >> >> >> > TECHNICAL> > SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B> > HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160> > No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4> > Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP> > Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft> > Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13> > Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53> > Displacement> > (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8> > Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1> > Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct> > Performance (HP/RPM)> > *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000> > *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400> > Fuel Consumption> > (US Gal./HR)> > *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6> > Recomended Fuel> > (Oct.) 78 -> > 100 LL 78 -> > 100 LL 78 -> > 100 LL 78 -> > 100 LL> > Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise> > TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000> > Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250> >> > Main Dimensions> > T = Center of Gravity> >> > MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated> > M332A Aerobatic, supercharged> > DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights> > AR "PUSHER" configuration> > B Increased take-off power> > +> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
Howard,What is the URL for their Web Site?By the way, your computer is back to the furture. This email was dated6/18/99 11:59Thanks,GaryHoward Wilkinson wrote:> I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines which are> being imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.> Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tables> describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of the> Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to demand. The> Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct drive> engine which has been in production for many years..... I don't know> the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one last Walter> Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $ 6900.00........> A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are not> conversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviation engine.> The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine is> fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which range from 120> to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also available in a 6> cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a 120> HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get about 18% off> which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks very competetive> considering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work I> suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline inverted> engines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of your face,> but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be a reasonable> choice.> Thought this information might be of interest to somebody... ;-)> H.W.>> WALTER MIKRON III AE> TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER> Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches> Compression Ratio 6:1> Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pump> Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pump> Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type> Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KW> Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.> Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.> Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia> Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT, feathering-1.6 m dia> Performance (HP/RPM)> * Take-off 65/2600> * Max. Continuous 65/2600> * Max. Cruise 47/2350> Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)> * Cruise 4.23/2350> * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000> TBO 1200 Hrs> Main Dimensions>> TECHNICAL> SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B> HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160> No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4> Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP> Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft> Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13> Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53> Displacement> (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8> Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1> Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct> Performance (HP/RPM)> *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000> *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400> Fuel Consumption> (US Gal./HR)> *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6> Recomended Fuel> (Oct.) 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL> Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise> TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000> Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250>> Main Dimensions> T = Center of Gravity>> MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated> M332A Aerobatic, supercharged> DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights> AR "PUSHER" configuration> B Increased take-off power> +________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: dannymac
Ken Beanlands wrote:> Keep in mind that it's designed to> run as an INVERTED in-line. Advantage, better prop clearance.> Disadvantage, odd looking Piet ;-)> > Ken> Ken, On the better prop clearance thing, are you suggesting raising thethrust-line? How much is involved in making such a change?Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "William C. Beerman"
HowardThe LOM engines are made in the Czeck Republic (or Poland, I don'treally remember which) and that's the reason why they are so cheap.Just imagine the cost in the original country.I don't know if you heard of CASA, the Spanish firm that built theB=FCker german biplanes during the civil war. Well, they are doing itagain, and power their planes with LOM engines. If you want to learnmore about this planes, that are sold as kits too, I would advise youto take a look at the 'Kitplanes' mag kit directory.FITO.--- Howard Wilkinson wrote:> I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM> engines which are> being imported into the US by Moravia, and called> for information.> Below is a dump from their web site with> specifications and tables> describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing> the import of the> Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines> due to demand. The> Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline> direct drive> engine which has been in production for many> years..... I don't know> the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia> has one last Walter> Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted> $ 6900.00........> A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine....> These are not> conversions, but were designed many years ago as an> aviation engine.> The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP> avaiation engine is> fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines> which range from 120> to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also> available in a 6> cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as> quoted for a 120> HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could> get about 18% off> which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing> looks very competetive> considering a new engine of that HP, and either> engine would work I> suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are> inline inverted> engines. Not original .... no radiator right in> front of your face,> but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough> to be a reasonable> choice.> Thought this information might be of interest to> somebody... ;-)> H.W.>>> WALTER MIKRON III AE> TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER> Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches> Compression Ratio 6:1> Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas,> carburator,fuel pump> Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase,> dual oil pump> Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type> Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5> KW> Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.> Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.> Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia> Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT,> feathering-1.6 m dia> Performance (HP/RPM)> * Take-off 65/2600> * Max. Continuous 65/2600> * Max. Cruise 47/2350> Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)> * Cruise 4.23/2350> * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000> TBO 1200 Hrs> Main Dimensions>>> TECHNICAL> SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B> HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160> No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4> Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP> 1.6 lb/HP> Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1> sq. Ft> Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13> Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53> Displacement> (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8> Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1> Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct> Performance (HP/RPM)> *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000> *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400> Fuel Consumption> (US Gal./HR)> *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6> Recomended Fuel> (Oct.) 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL 78 -> 100 LL> Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise> c'clockwise c'clockwise> TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000> Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250>> Main Dimensions> T Center of Gravity>> MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated> M332A Aerobatic, supercharged> DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted> flights> AR "PUSHER" configuration> B Increased take-off power> +>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Hey, hold your horses, I'm not suggesting anything. I was merely observingthat since the LOM engine is an inverted inline engine, the thrust linewould naturally fall higher than an upright inline (ie Ford). It couldgive you more prop clearance if it was needed and only after aerodynamicconsiderations had been looked at. The more prop clearance, the lesschance of pulling debris into it.Speaking of which, I remember one annual inspection on the 180(floatplane) where we ran the engine up while tied on the slipway. Theengine was hanging over the water pointed slightly down reducing theclearance by a couple of inches over normal. As the power came up to about2000 RPM, a waterspout formed directly below the proptip and flowed rightup into the arc. Fortunately, we got Dad to thorttle back before it erodedthe tips too much. However, it was pretty neat to watch. The solid part ofthe spout probably contained as much as 3-5 gallons of water or nearly 50lbs. Pretty impressive.KenOn Wed, 16 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:> Ken Beanlands wrote:> > > Keep in mind that it's designed to> > run as an INVERTED in-line. Advantage, better prop clearance.> > Disadvantage, odd looking Piet ;-)> > > > Ken> > > Ken,> > On the better prop clearance thing, are you suggesting raising the> thrust-line? How much is involved in making such a change?> > Dannymac> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: dannymac
The prop thrust line could stay where it is. The A Ford piets have thatsloped chin because of the fact that the engine is mostly above the crank.The vertical Cof G would be lower. Probably a good thing. The forward viewwould change. Good? A matter of opinion!The engine would alow the thrust line to be raised but then the effects areback to experimental... I have always wondered about Bernards setting of thecrank centerline. How many ways did he try it before he settled on thenumbers he used?I agree with you SteveE. Cowled in that engine would look neat!John Mc-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By:> Gary Woodbridge
Howard,Thanks, I found it.GaryHoward Wilkinson wrote:> Gary:> The LOM / Walter Micron website is all that WWW & HTTP gibberish> followed by moraviation.com>> I'll send it to you in proper form if you require it. :-)>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines which arebeing imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tablesdescribing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of theWalter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to demand. TheWalter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct driveengine which has been in production for many years..... I don't knowthe history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one last WalterMicron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $ 6900.00........A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are notconversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviation engine.The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine isfantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which range from 120to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also available in a 6cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a 120HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get about 18% offwhich figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks very competetiveconsidering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work Isuspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline invertedengines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of your face,but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be a reasonablechoice. Thought this information might be of interest to somebody... ;-)H.W.WALTER MIKRON III AETECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWEREngine Displacement 149 Cubic InchesCompression Ratio 6:1Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pumpLubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pumpIgnition dual magnetos Scintilla typeElectrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KWWeight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m diaPropeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT, feathering-1.6 m diaPerformance (HP/RPM)* Take-off 65/2600* Max. Continuous 65/2600* Max. Cruise 47/2350Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)* Cruise 4.23/2350* Economy Cruise 3.04/2000TBO 1200 HrsMain DimensionsTECHNICALSPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332BHORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HPFrontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. FtBore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53Displacement(Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1Propeller Drive direct direct direct directPerformance (HP/RPM)*Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000*Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400Fuel Consumption(US Gal./HR)*Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6Recomended Fuel(Oct.) 78 -100 LL 78 -100 LL 78 -100 LL 78 -100 LLCrankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwiseTBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250Main DimensionsT = Center of GravityMODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated M332A Aerobatic, superchargedDESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights AR "PUSHER" configuration B Increased take-off power+________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Walter Micron engines

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Original Posted By: Gary Woodbridge
Gary: The LOM / Walter Micron website is all that WWW & HTTP gibberishfollowed by moraviation.comI'll send it to you in proper form if you require it. :-)-----Original Message-----
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> Re: Walter Micron engines

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Original Posted By: Dick Nelsen
> Subject: Re: Walter Micron engines>> >Howard,> >> >What is the URL for their Web Site?> >> >By the way, your computer is back to the furture. This email was> dated> >6/18/99 11:59> >> >Thanks,> >Gary> >> >> >Howard Wilkinson wrote:> >> >> I just got curious about the Walter Micron and LOM engines which> are> >> being imported into the US by Moravia, and called for information.> >> Below is a dump from their web site with specifications and tables> >> describing the engines. Moravia is discontinuing the import of the> >> Walter Micron and concentrating on the LOM engines due to demand.> The> >> Walter Micron is a 65 HP inverted air cooled inline direct drive> >> engine which has been in production for many years..... I don't> know> >> the history of the LOM engines. Currently Moravia has one last> Walter> >> Micron 65 HP engine new in the box and I was quoted $> 6900.00........> >> A real bargain for a brand new aircraft engine.... These are not> >> conversions, but were designed many years ago as an aviation> engine.> >> The weight of 155 LBS for an "equipped" 65 HP avaiation engine is> >> fantastic by 4 cycle standards. The LOM engines which range from> 120> >> to 160 HP weigh in at from 230-250 lbs, and are also available in a> 6> >> cylinder version with more HP. Price on the LOM as quoted for a> 120> >> HP engine is $13,000.00, and I was told that I could get about 18%> off> >> which figures out to $ 10,660.00. This pricing looks very> competetive> >> considering a new engine of that HP, and either engine would work I> >> suspect in a Pietenpol, and look decent as both are inline inverted> >> engines. Not original .... no radiator right in front of your> face,> >> but the Walter Micron engine dates back far enough to be a> reasonable> >> choice.> >> Thought this information might be of interest to somebody...> ;-)> >> H.W.> >>> >> WALTER MIKRON III AE> >> TECHNICAL SPECS. 65 HORSEPOWER> >> Engine Displacement 149 Cubic Inches> >> Compression Ratio 6:1> >> Fuel System unleaded min 72 Oct. gas, carburator,fuel pump> >> Lubrication System separate oil tank, dry crankcase, dual oil pump> >> Ignition dual magnetos Scintilla type> >> Electrical System 14V, alternator 200W, starter 0.5 KW> >> Weight - Dry 132.2 Lbs.> >> Weight - Equipped 155.1 Lbs.> >> Propeller - Fixed V218 B-1.5 m dia> >> Propeller - Controllable Hoffmann V62 R/L 160BT, feathering-1.6 m> dia> >> Performance (HP/RPM)> >> * Take-off 65/2600> >> * Max. Continuous 65/2600> >> * Max. Cruise 47/2350> >> Fuel Consumption (Gal./RPM)> >> * Cruise 4.23/2350> >> * Economy Cruise 3.04/2000> >> TBO 1200 Hrs> >> Main Dimensions> >>> >> TECHNICAL> >> SPECIFICATIONS M132A M132B M332A M332B> >> HORSEPOWER 120 132 140 160> >> No. of cylinders 4 4 4 4> >> Power to weight ratio 1.7 lb/HP 1.7 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP 1.6 lb/HP> >> Frontal area 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft. 2.1 sq. Ft 2.1 sq. Ft> >> Bore (Inches) 4.13 4.13 4.13 4.13> >> Stroke (Inches) 4.53 4.53 4.53 4.53> >> Displacement> >> (Cubic Inches) 242.8 242.8 242.8 242.8> >> Compression Ratio 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1 6.3:1> >> Propeller Drive direct direct direct direct> >> Performance (HP/RPM)> >> *Take-off 120/2700 132/3000 140/2700 160/3000> >> *Cruise 100/2400 100/2400 120/2400 120/2400> >> Fuel Consumption> >> (US Gal./HR)> >> *Cruise 2400 RPM 7.1 7.1 7.6 7.6> >> Recomended Fuel> >> (Oct.) 78 -> >> 100 LL 78 -> >> 100 LL 78 -> >> 100 LL 78 -> >> 100 LL> >> Crankshaft Rotation c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise c'clockwise> >> TBO (HRS) 2000 2000 2000 2000> >> Dry Weight (Lbs.) 231 232 249 250> >>> >> Main Dimensions> >> T = Center of Gravity> >>> >> MODELS: M132A Aerobatic, naturally aspirated> >> M332A Aerobatic, supercharged> >> DESIGNATION: AK Fully aerobatic incl. inverted flights> >> AR "PUSHER" configuration> >> B Increased take-off power> >> +> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
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