Original Posted By: Larry Nelson
Sure has been quiet on the list lately. That being the case, I'll take up some space by saying that I worked on rebuilding the pilot's seat this past week and today. Took out the broken seat bottom, seat back, and seat framing and scraped back to fresh wood. Cut, fitted, and glued in new seat framing members. Measured, cut, and getting ready to install the seat bottom plywood with some "inspection holes" cut in it to get to the cables and pullies down there. Corky used pullies to route the cables under the seat, rather than drilled holes as shown in the plans.As long as I'm in there, I'm fabricating an experimental elevator trim control using the "ball chain" method and a bungee off the elevator bellcrank behind the seat. If it works, I'll draw a sketch or put some photos on my website. For now, it's just an idea and I don't know if it will work. It presupposes that nose-up trim will be required, so I'll have to rig it that way or else try something else later. Corky had a bungee setup that wrapped around the pilot's stick and could be slid up or down the stick to give more or less back stick force, and I can always revert to that setup if my scheme doesn't work.Jumped into the front seat to show a hangar bum how easy it is to do. Ha! It's still a trick to get into that front 'pit, and once into it, there isn't a whole lot of room anyway. I can't imagine trying to get in there wearing a parka and snow boots, but Santa's helpers seem to manage it every Christmas and the jolly old gent can still slide his own tummy into the pilot's 'pit somehow, too. He just doesn't have a lot of back stick in the flare, with the stick all the way back and his belly sucked up to get that extra few inches...Sure is fun hanging around the airport on a Saturday, working on the Pietenpol!Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Pietenpol-List: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slow Piet listOscarI've noticed the slow list as well but figured a lot of people were doing the corvaircollege thing... I wish I had been able to make it as I'm in the "gathering"stage for my corvair engine. I've ran out of money and the heads are endingup costing me mush more than anticipated. But, such is building your ownairplane...So, do you have any photos of how the front seat thing is done with the pulley?I'll be working on that area soon and it sounds like a good idea. Don't knowwhat to do for trim yet - probably just the bungee around the stick.Tom B.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: slow Piet listOscarI've noticed the slow list as well but figured a lot of people were doing the corvaircollege thing... I wish I had been able to make it as I'm in the "gathering"stage for my corvair engine. I've ran out of money and the heads are endingup costing me mush more than anticipated. But, such is building your ownairplane...So, do you have any photos of how the front seat thing is done with the pulley?I'll be working on that area soon and it sounds like a good idea. Don't knowwhat to do for trim yet - probably just the bungee around the stick.Tom B.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
The list sure is slow lately. A couple of days with zero posts. Maybe I'll trybreaking the ice (pun intended) by posting a picture of the Rogue Air Partsoutdoor tail hinge factory after a fast, heavy, and very wet snowfall. Everythingunder the mess seems to still be intact under there, but it may be a whilebefore I can get dug out and get my canopy frame and cover replaced. In previoussnows I've just gone out in the morning and bumped the underside of thecanopy with the push broom to get the buildup to slide off, but this time it washeavy and sticky and it brought down the house before I could get out therein the morning to unload it. As you can see in the picture, it's a very lighttubular structure, this is its second replacement canopy (the UV is very hardon things here), and I had already replaced the uprights with wooden posts setin 5 gal buckets full of rock because the wind kept lifting the thing. Nosurprise that it couldn't handle 4 or 5 inches of wet snow ;o) I just need anenclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't permit it.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/snow ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
The list sure is slow lately. A couple of days with zero posts. Maybe I'll trybreaking the ice (pun intended) by posting a picture of the Rogue Air Partsoutdoor tail hinge factory after a fast, heavy, and very wet snowfall. Everythingunder the mess seems to still be intact under there, but it may be a whilebefore I can get dug out and get my canopy frame and cover replaced. In previoussnows I've just gone out in the morning and bumped the underside of thecanopy with the push broom to get the buildup to slide off, but this time it washeavy and sticky and it brought down the house before I could get out therein the morning to unload it. As you can see in the picture, it's a very lighttubular structure, this is its second replacement canopy (the UV is very hardon things here), and I had already replaced the uprights with wooden posts setin 5 gal buckets full of rock because the wind kept lifting the thing. Nosurprise that it couldn't handle 4 or 5 inches of wet snow ;o) I just need anenclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't permit it.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/snow ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
that's a bummer...Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some folksthat have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice yurts for ashop. Getting the canvas UV resistant shouldn't be any problem for a stick andrag airplane guy ; )--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
that's a bummer...Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some folksthat have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice yurts for ashop. Getting the canvas UV resistant shouldn't be any problem for a stick andrag airplane guy ; )--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Oscar,That sure looks cold. I expect we will also have some snow this year. We've hadlows of 16 degrees several days this year already. It does warm to the upper40's during the day with a couple of 50 degree days tossed in here and there.I haven't flown in in 3 or 4 weeks. But I have been working on the plane doinga few upgrades. You will need to come to the west coast gathering to see whatI've done. Nothing too major. My wife did buy me an Ipad so I can subscribe and use ForeFlight. After the initialpurchase of the Ipad the annual contract will be worth it provided I dosome more cross country flying. I can now throw away all my paper sectionals.The darn things were always difficult to use in an open cockpit. Thanks for the update and have a happy new year.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Oscar,That sure looks cold. I expect we will also have some snow this year. We've hadlows of 16 degrees several days this year already. It does warm to the upper40's during the day with a couple of 50 degree days tossed in here and there.I haven't flown in in 3 or 4 weeks. But I have been working on the plane doinga few upgrades. You will need to come to the west coast gathering to see whatI've done. Nothing too major. My wife did buy me an Ipad so I can subscribe and use ForeFlight. After the initialpurchase of the Ipad the annual contract will be worth it provided I dosome more cross country flying. I can now throw away all my paper sectionals.The darn things were always difficult to use in an open cockpit. Thanks for the update and have a happy new year.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
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Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
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Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
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Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Jeff,I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't really likeflying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me. I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just using the30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I am wonderingif my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me some moreroom in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Jeff,I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't really likeflying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me. I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just using the30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I am wonderingif my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me some moreroom in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Bill Rewey used to sell a nifty pack of tips and ideas that included a homemadecockpit mount for a handheld radio. I have my copy of Bill's details somewhere,probably in the hangar, but if he still sells them it is sure worth the money.Perhaps Bill's handheld bracket could be modified to suit an iPad mini-?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Bill Rewey used to sell a nifty pack of tips and ideas that included a homemadecockpit mount for a handheld radio. I have my copy of Bill's details somewhere,probably in the hangar, but if he still sells them it is sure worth the money.Perhaps Bill's handheld bracket could be modified to suit an iPad mini-?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Oscar,I guess you cast the hinge pieces...what kind of setup do you use as far as typeof foundry, do you use sand or some other type mold, etc?--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Oscar,I guess you cast the hinge pieces...what kind of setup do you use as far as typeof foundry, do you use sand or some other type mold, etc?--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
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Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
Good thought Oscar, BUT, I have a steel tube fuselage. Everything is different.But all the tubing lends itself to easier mounting. Usually my first ideasare the ones that work out the best. I always try several ideas but seem toalways go back to the first idea. Time and patience are my best friends whendoing this stuff.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Good thought Oscar, BUT, I have a steel tube fuselage. Everything is different.But all the tubing lends itself to easier mounting. Usually my first ideasare the ones that work out the best. I always try several ideas but seem toalways go back to the first idea. Time and patience are my best friends whendoing this stuff.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
On 12/30/2015 9:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:>> Jeff,>> I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't reallylike flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me.>> I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just usingthe 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I amwondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me somemore room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?>> --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2>>Scott,I have been flying with my Ipad and the internal GPS for some time now. I use foreflight for the app. I have never lost the GPS signal. I do have my Samsung Galaxy 4 with Avare as my backup just in case.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, In________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
On 12/30/2015 9:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:>> Jeff,>> I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't reallylike flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me.>> I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just usingthe 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I amwondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me somemore room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?>> --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 2>>Scott,I have been flying with my Ipad and the internal GPS for some time now. I use foreflight for the app. I have never lost the GPS signal. I do have my Samsung Galaxy 4 with Avare as my backup just in case.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, In________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Thanks Rick. That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS was last updatedin about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful. The great part with ForeFlightis that everything is always current.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks Rick. That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS was last updatedin about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful. The great part with ForeFlightis that everything is always current.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
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Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:56:17 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
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Wed, 30 Dec 2015 11:56:17 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: Fastnaught John
Jeff,Interesting mount. Do you have it attached to your panel? Do you find that youhave any problems with glare in the Piet?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Jeff,Interesting mount. Do you have it attached to your panel? Do you find that youhave any problems with glare in the Piet?--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Hello Scott,I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not had aminutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works just fine.There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I dont have any room forthe mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine. No need for anyother GPS. Good LuckJack FastnaughtWire wheels Model Asolar panel> On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > > Jeff,> > I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't reallylike flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me. > > I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just usingthe 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I amwondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me somemore room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 502#451502> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Scott,I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not had aminutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works just fine.There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I dont have any room forthe mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine. No need for anyother GPS. Good LuckJack FastnaughtWire wheels Model Asolar panel> On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > > Jeff,> > I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded up chartis. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I don't reallylike flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to try. Hope it works.I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I have always used Androids.That part is a bit frustrating for me. > > I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just usingthe 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs out. I amwondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop its signal in flightat times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it will give me somemore room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 502#451502> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet listI have been using the Anywhere map freedom.http://store.controlvision.com/I am using a Samsung Galaxy Tab II 7 inch mini tablet. So far no problems,though I have not used it in an open cockpit yet. The also offer an app.Foreflight is more accepted.On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Fastnaught John wrote:> fastnaught(at)windstream.net>>> Hello Scott,> I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not> had a minutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works> just fine. There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I don=99t have> any room for the mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine.> No need for any other GPS. Good Luck>> Jack Fastnaught>> Wire wheels> Model A> solar panel> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS > wrote:> >> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>> >> > Jeff,> >> > I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded> up chart is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I> don't really like flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to> try. Hope it works. I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I> have always used Androids. That part is a bit frustrating for me.> >> > I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just> using the 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs> out. I am wondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop> its signal in flight at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it> will give me some more room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?> >> > --------> > Scott Liefeld> > Flying N11MS since March 1972> > Steel Tube> > C-85-12> > Wire Wheels> > Brodhead in 1996> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 502#451502> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>=======================================================>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet listI have been using the Anywhere map freedom.http://store.controlvision.com/I am using a Samsung Galaxy Tab II 7 inch mini tablet. So far no problems,though I have not used it in an open cockpit yet. The also offer an app.Foreflight is more accepted.On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Fastnaught John wrote:> fastnaught(at)windstream.net>>> Hello Scott,> I have been using an iPad mini since Feb. and with Foreflight. I have not> had a minutes worth of trouble with either. I use a kneepad and it works> just fine. There are mounts to be had for the iPad to install. I don=99t have> any room for the mount. I have found that the kneepad suites me just fine.> No need for any other GPS. Good Luck>> Jack Fastnaught>> Wire wheels> Model A> solar panel> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 10:28 AM, AircamperN11MS > wrote:> >> Scott.liefeld(at)lacity.org>> >> > Jeff,> >> > I got the Ipad Mini4. It is about the same physical size that a folded> up chart is. I need to now fashion a way to mount it in the plane. I> don't really like flying with knee boards. I have some ideas I'm going to> try. Hope it works. I am still trying to understand the Microsoft OS. I> have always used Androids. That part is a bit frustrating for me.> >> > I have been messing with it (ForeFlight) a little each night. I am just> using the 30 day trial right now. I'll pay to subscribe when that runs> out. I am wondering if my GPS is now unneeded, or will the the Ipad drop> its signal in flight at times????? If I can lose the small GPS I have, it> will give me some more room in the cockpit. Does anyone have that answer?> >> > --------> > Scott Liefeld> > Flying N11MS since March 1972> > Steel Tube> > C-85-12> > Wire Wheels> > Brodhead in 1996> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 502#451502> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>=======================================================>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: Richard Schreiber
This is all very good conversation. I didn't realize just how archaic I am whenit comes to the flying technologies I use. I really thought I was ahead ofthe Piet crowd by using the old Garmin GPS from the 1990's. I have only beenfooling myself. Geesh, I must get out more.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
This is all very good conversation. I didn't realize just how archaic I am whenit comes to the flying technologies I use. I really thought I was ahead ofthe Piet crowd by using the old Garmin GPS from the 1990's. I have only beenfooling myself. Geesh, I must get out more.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Marcus, the homemade ADS-B not only works with Foreflight on the Ipad but also with Wing-X Pro.Here is a listing of the supported systems....EFB platform support Status DetailsFlyQ EFB (Seattle Avionics) 2.1+ (iOS) All currently-supported features tested.Naviator (Android) All currently-supported features tested.AvNav 2.0.0+ (Android) All currently-supported features tested.ForeFlight 7.x (iOS) All currently-supported features tested.WingX (iOS, Android) All currently-supported features tested.Avare EFB (Android) All currently-supported features tested. FltPlan Go (Android) Weather works, traffic does not. DroidEFB All currently-supported features tested. For those interested, I have seen this system work and work it does. You wind up getting ADS-B in for around $110 and 10 or 15 minutes of your time. It runs off of an independent battery with enough power for a whole days flying. It links to your receiver/smart phone or tablet through WiFi. The entire receiver is small and could easily be put in your hat box storage area. I just bought the parts to put one together and they just arrived. There was a recent article about this in a recent Sport Aviation issue.Here is a link with more information www.stratux.meRick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, INOn 12/30/2015 10:56 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:>> I started out using Foreflight. Coughed up big $$$ for iPad. Switched > to FlyQ to save $$$. Wish I hadnt. Gave iPad to wife, got Android > tablet and Garmin Pilot . Foreflight still best. And can't use cheap > homemade ADS-B antenna with Garmin, can with Foreflight.>> On Dec 30, 2015 11:46 AM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote:>> >>> Thanks Rick.>> That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS> was last updated in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful.> The great part with ForeFlight is that everything is always current.>> --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 507#451507>>> ==========> br> fts!)> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer"> target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> ==========> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer"> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> FORUMS -> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> b Site -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:46:39 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Marcus, the homemade ADS-B not only works with Foreflight on the Ipad but also with Wing-X Pro.Here is a listing of the supported systems....EFB platform support Status DetailsFlyQ EFB (Seattle Avionics) 2.1+ (iOS) All currently-supported features tested.Naviator (Android) All currently-supported features tested.AvNav 2.0.0+ (Android) All currently-supported features tested.ForeFlight 7.x (iOS) All currently-supported features tested.WingX (iOS, Android) All currently-supported features tested.Avare EFB (Android) All currently-supported features tested. FltPlan Go (Android) Weather works, traffic does not. DroidEFB All currently-supported features tested. For those interested, I have seen this system work and work it does. You wind up getting ADS-B in for around $110 and 10 or 15 minutes of your time. It runs off of an independent battery with enough power for a whole days flying. It links to your receiver/smart phone or tablet through WiFi. The entire receiver is small and could easily be put in your hat box storage area. I just bought the parts to put one together and they just arrived. There was a recent article about this in a recent Sport Aviation issue.Here is a link with more information www.stratux.meRick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso, INOn 12/30/2015 10:56 AM, Marcus Zechini wrote:>> I started out using Foreflight. Coughed up big $$$ for iPad. Switched > to FlyQ to save $$$. Wish I hadnt. Gave iPad to wife, got Android > tablet and Garmin Pilot . Foreflight still best. And can't use cheap > homemade ADS-B antenna with Garmin, can with Foreflight.>> On Dec 30, 2015 11:46 AM, "AircamperN11MS" > wrote:>> >>> Thanks Rick.>> That's good to know. I could take all the GPS stuff out. My GPS> was last updated in about 1999. Sometimes it's not very useful.> The great part with ForeFlight is that everything is always current.>> --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 507#451507>>> ==========> br> fts!)> r> > w.buildersbooks.com" rel="noreferrer"> target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> ==========> br> enpol-List" rel="noreferrer"> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> ==========> FORUMS -> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com> ==========> b Site -> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> ==========>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:46:39 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Charles N. Campbell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Re: Pietenpol-List: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
How about a surplus container?https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=con ... r+saleAlso my canopy lasted for many years. I went through green,silver,whiteand finaly, the best of all, almond coloured tarps.I did have to keep track of the snow though. With the steep 45 angle on the roofI just had to go underneath with a broom and poke away with the bristles.Voila, off slid the snow!http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-0 ... pol5.htmlA somewhat more expensive version of the same thing is a tarp garage.Clif I just need an enclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't permit it.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga________________________________________________________________________________
How about a surplus container?https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=con ... r+saleAlso my canopy lasted for many years. I went through green,silver,whiteand finaly, the best of all, almond coloured tarps.I did have to keep track of the snow though. With the steep 45 angle on the roofI just had to go underneath with a broom and poke away with the bristles.Voila, off slid the snow!http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-0 ... pol5.htmlA somewhat more expensive version of the same thing is a tarp garage.Clif I just need an enclosed, permanent shop but our building restrictions won't permit it.>> --------> Oscar Zuniga________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: slow Piet list
Original Posted By: "M W Stanley"
Everything you could possibly want to know! :-)https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=yurt What, pay tell, is a yurt? Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some folks that have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice yurts for a shop.________________________________________________________________________________
Everything you could possibly want to know! :-)https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=yurt What, pay tell, is a yurt? Would code allow (and would you have room) for a yurt? I have heard some folks that have been restricted by building code have built pretty nice yurts for a shop.________________________________________________________________________________