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Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear

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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
om>Hello, my name is John. Me and my dad have both been long-timeaviation enthusiasts but (because of expense) have never actuallygotten our pilot licenses or anything. Well a good friend of mineintroduced me to EAA, and took me to Oshkosh, last year, and eversince I've been hooked on building my own airplane. I've finallyconvinced my dad and we're going to build a Pietenpol Air Campertogether.I'm a 17 year old senior in high school, and I'm going to college (tobe a missionary pilot, I'll get my private and commercial and A&Plicenses, among others), in Texas, in the fall. Also our family isgoing to be moving to SC in the next few months, so I'm planning tobuy the plans and start building after we move. I'll help dad build itover the summers when I come home from college. I'll be rebuilding aCorvair to power it while I'm in college.So I was wondering...is there anyone around here that own an AirCamper that might take us for a flight in it? Or, if not, someone inSC who has one, that we might could come check out after we move?Well thanks a whole lot!!!John-- Jesus didn't die to make us clean sinners,He died to make us saints who sometimes get dirty.le, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 17:19:19 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Thanks for the info. 9 lbs isn't too bad at all to some others I've considered,but $700 [Shocked] I'm not criticizing though... we all have choices to make. I'll probably have$150.00 in my darn control horns when I finally get em done.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I'm contemplating my landing gear and I've found at least two options where springstyle shock absorbers are concerned. One is from page 255 of Tony Bingelis'"The Sportplane Builder" and the other is from Sy Debolt as found in an oldissue of the Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter. I think the drawing may have beendone by Frank Pavliga as it notes "Redrawn by FSP". Forgive me if I've goofedsome of this information... just trying to give proper credit. Both are shownbelow.I have the materials for either, but I'm leaning towards the type shown in theBuckeye newsletter primarily because the assembly looks more durable and wouldallow removal of the different sections and spring should it be necessary. AsTony points out in his writing, "spring (C) and collar (B) must be slipped onto upper tube before welding lower (D) washer in place." Maybe I am worryingabout a non-issue, but if the spring were to break, or if I just wanted to replaceit with a softer or stiffer version, it looks like I'd have a lot of workto do in order to accomplish this. The Buckeye version looks like it can becompletely disassembled for service or repair. Is my thinking correct? Can anyone provide an opinion on one over the other? I think that Tony's version is easier to construct, but I'm trying to look beyondthe fabrication and consider maintenance and durability. Thanks!The Sportplane Builder - Pg. 255 - Tony BingelisBuckeye Pietenpol Newsletter - Sy Debolt--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Another option is the wheel kit offered by Airdrome Aeroplanes.About $500 for a pair of wheels, including wide hubs, tires and tubes.They look pretty good.Some assembly required.Batteries not included.http://www.airdromeairplanes.com/HeavyDutyWheels.htmlI believe Axel has a pair of these on his Piet.Apparently they're so strong that it is possible to land on only one wheel...Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear

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Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
Bill Church wrote:> Another option is the wheel kit offered by Airdrome Aeroplanes.About $500 fora pair of wheels, including wide hubs, tires and tubes.They look pretty good.I've pretty much got my heart set on a pair of these. They are a bit heavier thanMichael's rims, but I've heard good things and I like the looks of them.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Mark,Which issue of BPA News? Might have been Frank's Dad.KIp GardnerOn Feb 2, 2011, at 5:48 PM, K5YAC wrote:> > I'm contemplating my landing gear and I've found at least two options where springstyle shock absorbers are concerned. One is from page 255 of Tony Bingelis'"The Sportplane Builder" and the other is from Sy Debolt as found in an oldissue of the Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter. I think the drawing may have beendone by Frank Pavliga as it notes "Redrawn by FSP". Forgive me if I've goofedsome of this information... just trying to give proper credit. Both are shownbelow.> > I have the materials for either, but I'm leaning towards the type shown in theBuckeye newsletter primarily because the assembly looks more durable and wouldallow removal of the different sections and spring should it be necessary.As Tony points out in his writing, "spring (C) and collar (B) must be slippedon to upper tube before welding lower (D) washer in place." Maybe I am worryingabout a non-issue, but if the spring were to break, or if I just wanted toreplace it with a softer or stiffer version, it looks like I'd have a lot ofwork to do in order to accomplish this. The Buckeye version looks like it canbe completely disassembled for service or repair. > > Is my thinking correct? Can anyone provide an opinion on one over the other?I think that Tony's version is easier to construct, but I'm trying to look beyondthe fabrication and consider maintenance and durability. > > Thanks!> > > The Sportplane Builder - Pg. 255 - Tony Bingelis> > > > Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter - Sy Debolt> > > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage> > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 355#329355> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up

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I bought the hubs from them and had a motorcycle shop in California put onlarger rims (21 inch I think) and had them shipped here. Total cost aboutthe same. The local copper shop had some tyres with minimal tread thelook nice on them.http://www.buchananspokes.net/contact/contact_us.aspIf anybody is interested I have a full set of ribs for the classicPietenpol 3 piece wing.Bob-----Original Message-----
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear

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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Actually, Mark, I'll bet the weights are pretty much the same.The Airdrome website says theirs weigh 18 pounds each, including tire and tube.The weight of a 19 or 21 inch motorcycle tire and tube will be about 10 pounds,so the rim/spokes/hub assembly would be about 8 pounds each.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
I don't know which version of the newsletter it was from... I only have the onepage. I think I may have got it from Jim Markle, or perhaps it was posted onWest Coast Piet... not sure. The date near the initials look like 3/1/04, butit could be 94... again, I'm not sure.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear

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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
I'm betting '94, the BPA newsletter went out of publication before I moved to OH.In that case, almost certain it was Frank's Dad.Kip GardnerOn Feb 2, 2011, at 6:14 PM, K5YAC wrote:> > I don't know which version of the newsletter it was from... I only have the onepage. I think I may have got it from Jim Markle, or perhaps it was postedon West Coast Piet... not sure. The date near the initials look like 3/1/04,but it could be 94... again, I'm not sure.> > --------> Mark Chouinard> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage> > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 362#329362> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:30:11 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: Frank Metcalfe
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing GearMarkI used the Buckeye version and it is easy to work with. The spring noted in the drawing was not strong enough for my airplane. It has proven very durable in the last 200 hours and my less than graceful landings. I would recommend the Buckeye version.Jim Ballew Piet N38BIn a message dated 2/2/2011 4:50:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, hangar10(at)cox.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "K5YAC" I'm contemplating my landing gear and I've found at least two options where spring style shock absorbers are concerned. One is from page 255 of Tony Bingelis' "The Sportplane Builder" and the other is from Sy Debolt as found in an old issue of the Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter. I think the drawing may have been done by Frank Pavliga as it notes "Redrawn by FSP". Forgive me if I've goofed some of this information... just trying to give propercredit. Both are shown below.I have the materials for either, but I'm leaning towards the type shown in the Buckeye newsletter primarily because the assembly looks more durable and would allow removal of the different sections and spring should it be necessary. As Tony points out in his writing, "spring (C) and collar (B) must be slipped on to upper tube before welding lower (D) washer in place." Maybe I am worrying about a non-issue, but if the spring were to break, or if I just wanted to replace it with a softer or stiffer version, it looks like I'd have a lot of work to do in order to accomplish this. The Buckeye version looks like it can be completely disassembled for service or repair. Is my thinking correct? Can anyone provide an opinion on one over the other? I think that Tony's version is easier to construct, but I'm trying tolook beyond the fabrication and consider maintenance and durability. Thanks!The Sportplane Builder - Pg. 255 - Tony BingelisBuckeye Pietenpol Newsletter - Sy Debolt--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:17:30 -0800 (PST)
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear

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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Rick, from your photos it looks like you built the Buckeye version. I'm not surewhich is actually stronger, but with a longer inner tube and outer sleeve tocarry the load of the spring I thought it might offer better durability/maintainability.Sounds and looks like the way to go. Thanks for the photos. Thanks to you too Jim! I hope you and yours are keeping warm way up there in Collinsville.Can you believe this snow? A good opportunity to forget about workand other to-dos and just study my airplane a bit.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
It is in my original message Rick. The first image is Tony's version and the secondis the Buckeye version... same as the drawing that you posted.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Rick, I just realized that you might be viewing these messages in e-mail format.I only receive the daily digest via e-mail for record, but never communicatethat way. I use the web version because I find it a little more functional,but I embed my images rather than attach, so they may not come through to e-mailusers... not sure. I guess I'll see how it looks when I get the digest tonight.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 17:50:44 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: Kenneth Bickers
To me, it looks like removing the bolt would allow all the tubes to slide apart...correct?--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 18:02:47 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheel Build-up
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Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Darn Ken, sounds like a possible Dillsburg Aero experience in the works. Thanksfor the information, I've printed your post for my notes and will definitelyquestion him on these items before I commit. No, I won't mention your name.On the other hand, Roger White offered me a set of wide hubs last year. I mightask if he still has them, and if so maybe I can take another look at them. The wheels were so far off my radar when he asked I really didn't give it muchthought at the time, I just said that I didn't think I'd need em. He is a superguy, but I didn't want to take stuff just because he was offering. So farI haven't taken anything from these folks around here unless I really intendto use it, and several have offered a lot.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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Original Posted By: "Ray Krause"
Alright, well I still like it better than the other design. I better researchmy spring choice before I commit.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on FuselageRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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> I built spring gear using the Bengelis style> design you mentioned (attached). You are correct, if I ever> wanted a different spring I would pretty much have to build> another set from scratch. If the other design is stronger> and more modular why not go for it?> > > rick> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at> 3:48 PM, K5YAC > wrote:> > > > > > I'm contemplating my landing gear and I've found at> least two options where spring style shock absorbers are> concerned. One is from page 255 of Tony Bingelis'> "The Sportplane Builder" and the other is from Sy> Debolt as found in an old issue of the Buckeye Pietenpol> Newsletter. I think the drawing may have been done by> Frank Pavliga as it notes "Redrawn by FSP".> Forgive me if I've goofed some of this information...> just trying to give proper credit. Both are shown below.> > > > > I have the materials for either, but I'm leaning> towards the type shown in the Buckeye newsletter primarily> because the assembly looks more durable and would allow> removal of the different sections and spring should it be> necessary. As Tony points out in his writing, "spring> (C) and collar (B) must be slipped on to upper tube before> welding lower (D) washer in place." Maybe I am> worrying about a non-issue, but if the spring were to break,> or if I just wanted to replace it with a softer or stiffer> version, it looks like I'd have a lot of work to do in> order to accomplish this. The Buckeye version looks like> it can be completely disassembled for service or repair.> > > > > Is my thinking correct? Can anyone provide an opinion on> one over the other? I think that Tony's version is> easier to construct, but I'm trying to look beyond the> fabrication and consider maintenance and durability.> > > > > Thanks!> > > > > > The Sportplane Builder - Pg. 255 - Tony Bingelis> > > > > > > > Buckeye Pietenpol Newsletter - Sy Debolt> > > > > > --------> > Mark Chouinard> > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on> Fuselage> > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here:> > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 355#329355> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==========> > st"> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > ==========> > http://forums.matronics.com> > ==========> > le, List Admin.> > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution> > ==========> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland> Castle Rock, Colorado> > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell> bad" > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:18:56 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel (spring) Type Landing Gear
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