Brodhead Pietenpol Association

Original Posted By: "Chris Rusch"
I read somewhere about how the brits have a aileron quick disconnect system toease in removing wings. anyone know where i can get the plans for it? Thanks;PaulRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering problem?

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
I am covering my tail feathers at the moment with SS. everything was going greatuntil the application of the ecofill. The problem i ran into is ecofill saturatingthe fabric and building up on the structure underneath the fabric. Nowthat its dry, as i try sanding the surface i run into these clumps of primer justunderneath the fabric stuck to the wood structure and i almost sand thru thefabric instantly! Anybody else run into this? I was thinking of taking thesmall iron and try to mash it flat but im afraid the fabric will stick.....obviouslyi put the ecofill on too thick.........it sure didnt seem like it wheni was doing it though.--------NX321LRFully Assembled less coveringMistubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Ekofill is the UV protectant/weave fill & primer.--------NX321LRFully Assembled less coveringMistubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:42:08 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Gentlemen -- The EkoFill is used as the filler and is the UV Block. It the the fabric "primer". Putting on the EkoFill too thick and / or brushing too hard forces the material through the fabric causing drips on the back side of the fabric that does what Chris described. I can provide your with a set of the DVD's explaining the proper method of application and can walk you through the process too, if needed. It also sounds like Chris may not have made sure the EkoFill was mixed throughly. The EkoFill should be applied to the damp fabric, just after washing it with the EkoClean high strength cleaner. Wipe down the fabric with a "virgin" (brand new) cotton towel from Costco or SSam's Club (buy in a bundle) soaked with the EkoFill. Scrub the surface of the fabric to remove all dirt and grease (oil from hands, dust etc.) with the EkoClean soaked cloth, turning the cloth often to a fresh surface. Wash out the cloth frequently in the EkoClean solution and wring out well, Then go back, again with a "virgin towel" using fresh clean water to "rinse" the surface, again turning the towel often, rinsing out the towel and wringing dry. It is important to the EkoFill application that you leave the surface of the fabric damp - not wet and dripping, but just slightly damp. This step helps the EkoFill wick between the fibers to bond and encapulsate the weave. Do small areas at a time so that the surface does not dry out before you get to it to apply the EkoFill. Apply the Ekofill with a 3 inch foam brush (you can use a foam roller on large surface but that is another technique). Wipe the brush off on the edge of the container so that it is not dripping and brush on to the surface of the fabric with light strokes, going in one direction. Go back over the coat constantly with a "dry" brush tipping out all bubbles and making the product as smooth as you can. Tipping is using just the tip of the foam brush very lightly to smooth out any bubbles and even out the coating. A very light touch is necessary, especially on the first coat, to prevent drip and pressing the Ekofill through the fabric. Let dry and repeat the process making your brush strokes 90 degrees to the first coat. Do NOT sand these first two coats as you do not have enough build up on the fabric to be sanding. Once those are dry, you need to spray two cross coats of Eko Fill. You can sand between these cross coats using a scotchbright pad to just remove the nibs and dust particles, if you have done a good job of applying the EkoFill smoothly. Just be careful to not sand through to the fabric and stay off of the pinked edges of the tapes. You will need to keep ironing down the pinked edges between each coat using a piece of teflon or a piece of a turkey basting bag to keep the EkoFill from sticking to the iron. Chris, you may need to cut that fabric off and reapply, depending upon how bad the mess is. Your call. I am attaching my answer to a couple of questions I had from a customer that may provide some other useful information. M. HaughtAircraft Fabric and Finishes LLC On May 24, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Michael Perez wrote:> Chris, I only used the Ekobond, what is the Ekofill used for? Or more pertinent, what are you using the Ekofill for?> > Michael Perez> Pietenpol HINT Videos> Karetaker Aero> www.karetakeraero.com> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:22:50 -0700 (PDT)

Original Posted By: John Franklin
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel endorsementJohn,As others have mentioned, the FAA does not have a minimum hour requirement forthe endorsement. However, your insurance company may. I recently purchased aC-140 for the purposes of getting my TW endorsement, and I was required to have20 hours of dual! The TW portion only took about 4-5 hours before I was comfortable.Then we spent the remaining 15 visiting all of the airports withina 60 mile radius to burn up the time.I could have obtained the endorsement in the Piet, but it is a couple of yearsfrom being finished, and the wife said "sure" when I off hand asked if I couldbuy the Cessna. I wasn't going to pass up that opportunity ;-)Dan LoegeringFargo, ND

Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill.After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brushstrokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if you pushon the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use a pieceof teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think it wouldmelt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......idid a really good job on the taping.--------NX321LRFully Assembled less coveringMistubishi PoweredRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC)

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
You are putting way, way too much on! The first coats are put on with foambrushes and the reason for 2 light cross coats (4 coats) is to fill theweave. Don't try to fill the weave on the first coat as you will add poundsto the airplane and have difficulty just like you are having.BarryNX973BP -----Original Message-----

Original Posted By: RBush96589(at)aol.com
Oh yeah, you know one Mike... that cutthroat gelato pusher from Amish country.I hear that he might be bringing some reinforcements this year... a real toughguy. He eats Wisconsin brats in one bite and I hear that his favorite flavorof gelato is Birra Calda e Lime.--------Mark ChouinardWings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing GearRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Original Posted By: "H. Marvin Haught"
You're right. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have just blatantly called Robert a dunderhead.That was uncalled for. I should have waited for cooler heads to prevail.Robert - you can still use Google to search on "corvair performance site:matronics.com"to find what you're interested in. Good luck with your purchase. Dan-- Dan Yocumyocum137(at)gmail.com"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."On May 25, 2012, at 2:06 PM, "Bill Church" wrote:> > Welcome to the group Robert.> > But, if I might make a suggestion, have a little patience.> > I think you posted your question yesterday, and then removed it, due to lackof response, not even a day later, with the comment "disappointing". I don't knowwhat sort of response time you were expecting, but it must have been prettyshort.> So now, since you removed the question from your post, your message doesn't evenhave a question for anyone to respond to.> One other thing to keep in mind is that every Pietenpol will perform slightlydifferently, due to the huge number of variables in play. First off, every Pietis hand made, and many if not all builders make some modifications (some tiny,and some huge) when building. There is a wide variety of powerplant options,but also propeller options as well. Wheels and landing gear also vary greatly(affecting the weight and drag). Probably the best single indicator (thoughnot guaranteed) of good performance in a Pietenpol is the weight. The lighterthe plane, the better it will likely perform.> > Good luck with your potential purchase.> > Bill C.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 910#373910> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Covering problem?

Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
You can smooth down pinked edges and rough spots with the iron, but you have tosand out clumps. But don't sand until you have a couple of more coats on -then what you can do is keep putting coats just over the clumps and sand untilthey disappear - in other words, keep applying ekofill to the trouble area andsanding it off until the clump disappears. You will also need to sand out thebrush strokes or they will telegraph through the finish coat. The iron doessoften the EkoFill but does not really melt it. M. Haught On May 24, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Chris Rusch wrote:> > Looks like i missed the wetting step..........I went right to applying the ekofill.After reading your attachment, i went WAY too heavy cause i can see brushstrokes. I think the parts are savable cause you only feel the globs if youpush on the fabric, you cant see them otherwise. What will happen if i use apiece of teflon fabric and push on the iron over the clumps? I would think itwould melt the primer clump and flatten it. I really do not want to recover.......idid a really good job on the taping.> > --------> NX321LR> Fully Assembled less covering> Mistubishi Powered> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 770#373770> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________