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Pietenpol-List: Loose brass fitting

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:24 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: helspersew(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA Chapter 1279 Pietenpol UpdateOf possible interest-I'm forwarding this from the group who brought their bare-bones Pietenpol all the way from California a few yearsago to display at Brodhead and Oshkosh. They are making good progress!Mike C.Dear Members,For all of you who have been following our progress on the Pietenpol Air Camper that has been under construction by our Saturday morning workshop crew for the past 7 years, you will be very happy to learn that we consider ourselves to be in the "home stretch," nearing the finish line.Nearly all of 2011 was spent covering and rib lacing the wing, tail surfaces, and fuselage. As you may remember from my last update, the final two weeks of last year were spent painting the whole project. So we began this year by reassembling the airplane for the final time. Our local DAR, John Shablow, advised us that we should get the paperwork started with FAA, as it could take up to 90 days to get it registered. For the first step, we wanted to secure an N number for the airplane that would reflect the connection to our EAA chapter. Unfortunately, N1279 was already taken. In order to incorporate the "1279" chapter number, we would have to add a suffix. So we chose "Z," just 'cause "79 Zulu" kind of rolls off the tongue when spoken over the radio.This morning (Saturday, May 26, 2012) we preformed a preliminary "weight and balance" of the airplane (see photos below). Empty weight of the airplane (with minimal work left to do on the engine and airframe) was measured at 727 lbs. (no fuel and no pilot). It takes considerable focus on weight reduction to get the empty weight of a Pietenpol under 650 lbs. And there are Piets with no electrical and no brakes that top 700 lbs empty weight. With a full electrical system including starter motor, radio, and intercom, hydrolic brakes, and a stearable tailwheel, we were expecting to be around 800 lbs. So we were delighted with an empty weight under 730 lbs.With a 170 lb. pilot our calculations put the CG at 18.5 inches aft of the leading edge of the wing. This falls within the CG design limits of 15" to 20" aft of the leading edge. Nonetheless, simply moving the wing aft 1" would put the CG right in the middle of the CG range. It is something worth considering. I should stress, however, that these were only preliminary calculations using simple bathroom scales. There are a few things left to do on the airplane. So we will give it careful consideration before making any modifications to our current configuration. Of course, the final weight and balance will be performed using aircraft scales when the airplane is "flight ready."As you can see in the photos below we have added our chapter logo to the side of the fuselage as well as the N number on the tail. We are not too far from taxi testing and first flight, so stay tuned.Steve Williamson, Pres.EAA Chapter 1279French Valley[cid:X.MA1.1338094878(at)aol.com]Dave McPhee and Dave Winsett measure the pilot location[cid:X.MA2.1338094878(at)aol.com]Dave McPhee performs CG calculations with Art supervising[cid:X.MA3.1338094878(at)aol.com]Final Configuation[cid:X.MA4.1338094878(at)aol.com]"NX1279Z" ready for taxi[cid:X.MA5.1338094878(at)aol.com]"Air Camper" valve covers were a gift from William Wynne________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Loose brass fitting

Pietenpol-List: Re: Loose brass fitting

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:55 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jerry Dotson"
"Forget the intrusion good people!",I am up in Poplar Grove this week doing some flight testing after having finished the in-stall of my new fuel tank. All is well with the tank and making some more progress with the flying. Logged three hours yesterday alone. Finally learning how to land her properly. Next flight- 50 lbs bag of sand in the front.When I came down yesterday I noticed a big oil leak, coating the entire belly of the airplane, clear back to the tailwheel. Inspection of the inside of the cowling revealed the source from just under the nose cone. I then removed the engine cowl completely in order to do the inspection. To my surprise, I saw a completely unscrewed brass nut from a brass fittings ( ferrule, copper tube) non-pressurized oil return line (from the valve chamber down back to the oil pan). Could I have neglected to tighten that from last spring? I am thinking that was unlikely, but not impossible. Has anyone ever heard of one of those (properly torqued) coming loose from vibration? It kind of scared me so I elected to apply some Locktite when I reassembled. Any thoughts?Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Loose brass fitting

Pietenpol-List: Re: Loose brass fitting

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 4:06 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "tools"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Taxi testing NX510JDJerry--congratulations on that big step! With regard to your ASI showingspeed when you're not moving try to plug your static port with a fitting ofany kind and drilling a pin hole thru it to vent it. That should help itto read fine and not be as prone to cockpit wind issues. Maybe you havean open instrument panel bay too, dunno but try plugging first. I just useda nylon fitting for the 1/4" airspeed lines and plugged it with a screw anddrilled a pin hole thru the side of the fitting. Worked like a charm.Mike C.[cid:image001.png(at)01CD3DBD.67BDFCF0]________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Loose brass fitting

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:17 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Dan,Are you talking the type of nut in a compression fitting? There's lots of them on my tractors in the oil system and I've never seen one comeloose from vibration. A very similar engine to the ford, simple water cooledgas burning 4 cyl 1900rpm engine, banging around with no suspension, sincethe 40's. My plane has quite a few of them in the individual cylinder priming system (A65)and haven't seen one come loose there either. On all of them I've worked on, I've always made of point of not making them verytight either. If you did just hand tighten it a year ago, it's quite possibleit held till now!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

Pietenpol-List: Re: Great Weekend

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:42 pm
by matronics
Original Posted By: "pineymb"
Had a wonderful weekend at Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia, nestled up againstthe Blue Ridge Mountains (where Karen and I will soon be building a home,once we=92ve closed on our house in Raleigh NC ' the Pietenpol is alreadybased in our hangar there). We are adding a back porch and tool shed to thehangar, but took a break from the work briefly on Sunday afternoon to do alittle low and slow aviating. Karen took these pictures from our Pietenpol:This one shows the view right after takeoff, climbing out over the lake.Smith Mountain is in the distance. The dam that forms Smith Mountain Lakeis in the notch in the mountain, damming the Roanoke River, and creating a22,000 acre lake with 500 miles of shoreline. It was a beautiful flight,with smooth air, light winds and nearly 100=B0 temeratures (density altitudewas well over 3,000=92 and we were just below gross weight ' climb rate wasabout 150 fpm).This photo shows our hangar at the top, with our half-finished porch on theback side. The house you see (with the small hangar and the dead CherokeeArrow) belongs to our next door neighbors. Ours will be built near thejoggle in the driveway where our drive splits off from theirs.Life is Good!Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Great Weekend

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:10 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: airlion
As good as it gets Jack. Congratulations!--------Adrian MWinnipeg, MBCanadaRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 05:13:26 -0700 (PDT)

RE: Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:26 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gardiner ' note the text where I pointed out I was getting 150 fpm climb. Idoubt floats will improve that.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____

Pietenpol-List: Great Weekend

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:37 am
by matronics
Original Posted By: airlion