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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hello Good People!The latest BPA issue is in the mail and should be hitting your doors starting thisweek. I am in the process of trying to put one more together before Brodhead.One thing I would like to do is put a nice tribute to Dick Navritil in thatissue. If you have any stories and or pictures to share of Dick, please sendthem my way so we can salute him in the manner he deserves. He touched a lotof lives and was a key figure in the Piet movement of the last several years.Also, I have a new website about to launch and would like 5 to 10 people to helpin beta testing. Let me know if you are interested.-john-________________________________________________________________________________
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John, I'll be happy to beta test the website.I'll look for any photos I have of Dick.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
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John,These are the only pictures I have of Dick; but I can also say:In 2008, I was struggling through my 4th year on an all-metal plane, havingset aside my Pietenpol plans for something more suitable for x-country. Ithink it was about February of that year that Dick's Piet was featured onthe cover of Sport Aviation. It was like the proverbial light bulb. Iabandoned the metal, and spent four enjoyable years building my Pietenpol.Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: mast and spar grade sitka

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Original Posted By: Scott Knowlton
Went to Wicks last week and got some spruce. Just as an average I figured BF pricebased on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doing mymath correctly.Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained woodI have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looks tobe on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if thisstuff makes the grade.--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mast and spar grade sitka
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Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
I used mast and spar spruce for all of my rib stock and empennage. It was fine.The supplier stopped stocking the material so I went to AC Spruce for the fuselagekit. Much more expensive. Scott Knowlton. Sent from my iPhone> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:43 AM, "wheelharp" wrote:> > > Went to Wicks last week and got some spruce. Just as an average I figured BFprice based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doingmy math correctly.> > Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained woodI have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.> > Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looksto be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if thisstuff makes the grade.> > --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 915#443915> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: mast and spar grade sitka
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Hi Jon. Study FAA form 43-18. Lots of good info about wood. You can find it atwest coast pietenpol for download. Glen. Hubbard OrSent from my iPhone> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:41 AM, "wheelharp" wrote:> > > Went to Wicks last week and got some spruce. Just as an average I figured BFprice based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doingmy math correctly.> > Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grained woodI have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.> > Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looksto be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if thisstuff makes the grade.> > --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 915#443915> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton
Jon,I went to our local MacBeth Hardwood supplier and they stock quarter sawn Sitkaspruce in lengths up to 16 feet. I bought it in 1"x 6" and 2" x 6" rough pieces.Their price was $7.86 BF. I was able to select boards with high rings perinch. I bought enough for my entire Piet. I also bought a bargain bag of Sprucefrom ACS and was very happy with it.BrianSLC-UT-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
I have several pieces of Sitka Spruce (spar kit for a KR 2)) and four or five boardsof straight grain fir that I would sell. I have had it 30 years, and doubtthat I will ever use it. Need to start getting rid of some of this stuff,if anyone is interested. M. Haught > On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:06 PM, glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com wrote:> > > Hi Jon. Study FAA form 43-18. Lots of good info about wood. You can find itat west coast pietenpol for download. Glen. Hubbard Or> > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:41 AM, "wheelharp" wrote:>> >> >> Went to Wicks last week and got some spruce. Just as an average I figured BFprice based on 1" x 1" @ $2.75...figures up to $33 a board foot, if I'm doingmy math correctly.>> >> Don't get me wrong, it is about the most beautiful, straight, tight grainedwood I have ever seen, but I don't think I can afford $33 BF for entire build.>> >> Has anyone ever tried mast and spar grade spruce from marine supply? It looksto be on average at all the places I looked, around $10 to $11 per BF in rough2" x 6". I have the shop to mill everything from rough...just wondered if thisstuff makes the grade.>> >> -------->> Jon Jones>> Ironton, MO>> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here:>> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 915#443915>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mast and spar grade sitka
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Original Posted By: "dgaldrich"
Jon,I got my first batch of Sitka from the same place as Scott (on the same day, atthe same time), rough sawn, 2x6 x 20 ft long. That was several years ago, andback then it cost about $7/bf. As Scott said, the quality was acceptable. That,of course, will be up to you to determine, based on AC43.13-1B guidelines.When I needed another plank, I went to an upscale specialty wood supplier, andpaid $18/bf for a 2x6 rough sawn plank. You get what you pay for. The secondplank was perfect. Absolutely none of it was unusable, whereas with the firstplank, I had several sections that I had to work around.Just did a little research on Wick's and Aircraft Spruce websites. Quite a differencein pricing. As you say, for 1"x1" Wicks is $2.75/ft, and AS is $5.35/ft.And for 1" x 6" spar stock, Wicks is $12.75 vs AS $18.55. Based on the 1x6,Wicks is $25.50/board foot, and Aircraft Spruce is $37.10. But keep in mindthat these are prices for finished, inspected/graded wood. obviously that wouldbe more expensive than rough sawn planks.However, when you say you are worried about the cost of Spruce to build the plane,keep in mind that Spruce is only a small component in the overall cost. Evenif you buy each stick in finished sizes, you would likely be looking at maybe$2000 for Spruce for the whole plane. Then there's plywood, and adhesive,and metal, and fittings, and fasteners, and pulleys, and turnbuckles, and instruments,and wheels, and engine, and, and, and ... My point is that Sitka Sprucewill only account for maybe 15% of the cost. So, even if you can cut thatcost in half, the overall impact on the total cost is not huge.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mast and spar grade sitka
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Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Sitka spruce is Sitka spruce regardless of the supplier. "Aviation Grade" meansthat it meets the requirements of AC 43-13 for certified aircraft. There aregrowth ring and longitudinal runout/slope requirements as well as disqualifyingdefects that are explained well enough for you to do your own "grading". A good ruler and patience is about all that's needed.DaveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mast and spar grade sitka
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Thanks for all the good replies everyone! I guess I should have said that I havereviewed grading standards. I was just curious if based on anyone else's experienceusing what suppliers call mast and spar, if it for the most part met ringsper inch, grain slope, non-defect, etc...criteria, or if it was not worthmessing with. It sounds like it is. I'm sure I will wind up buying more of thehigh dollar stuff, but as cheap (if you can call it that) as rough is, I mayget some and dimension it myself, if for no other reason than I have the tools,and enjoy that kind of thing. :D--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: mast and spar grade sitka
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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
I've bought from a place in Madison wi, it was all good and usable. Tis true youmay have to work around some stuff, but with good shop tools, no worries andyou'll find a way to make it all usable.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Hey all,I was just sent this and absolutely had to share it. Do yourself a favorand watch it. After takeoff, keep your eyes on the open wing root in thetop right of the frame and wait for it.Absolutely hysterical. I will redouble my preflight ck of the forwardcockpit from now on.Douwehttp://youtu.be/J_8mdH20qTQ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ck your plane before flying!!
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Original Posted By: "echobravo4"
Thanks. I'll check out Sterba and stand by for veteran input from those in theknow.I am in the Wichita metro area.--------Andy Garrett'General Purpose Creative Dude'Haysville, KansasRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Hi John-I'll help out on the website if you still need people--------Earl BrownI may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where Iintended to be.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:13:02 +0000 (UTC)
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Original Posted By: "pweeden"
Matt:Here=92s the information; if it=92s too long, please don=92t hesitate to say so.Thanks,Dick ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Original Posted By: "Andy Garrett"
I'd be happy to help beta test the website. I've managed open of sites over theyears.Pat WeedenRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: my 0-200 prop
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Original Posted By: "Pietflyer1977"
Last week at OSH, I stopped at the Grove Brake booth, and took a look at theirline up. Nice stuff, but maybe overkill for a Piet.In the past, I've seen several Piets with Go-Kart calipers, but before I purchaseanything, I'd like to query anyone having specific experience with them, preferablyon a flying plane. Are they:Easy to install?Are they durable, or do they have problems?Provide correct braking force? (This is related to brake holding torque)Reasonable Cost?Tell all of us your experience with your Disc Brakes, Calipers, etc., and PLEASEdon't hold back a thing. Thanks!--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Original Posted By: John Hofmann
Brakes??????No experience with them on my plane. Sorry about that. Been just fine withoutthem for 43 years. Just need to stay way ahead of the plane when performingground maneuvers. Much like in a boat.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Original Posted By: Pietn38b(at)aol.com
I have not gotten mine yet either and live only an hour away. I will check withthe printer.Best,-john-John HofmannVice-President, IT and ProductionThe Rees Group, Inc.2424 American LaneMadison, WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443.2474Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:31 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote:> > > Just curious....I never got a newsletter the week of June 21st nor did I getanother before Brodhead? I am the only one? Do I need to see if my mailman likesPietenpols? [Rolling Eyes]> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 332#445332> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers

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Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta TestersYou are not alone. I have not received anything since the third issue of 2014 and my subscription is good until 10/2016. I keep being told its on its way but I havent seen anything yet.Jim BallewPietenpol N38BIn a message dated 7/29/2015 6:48:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rob(at)stoinoff.com writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pietflyer1977" Just curious....I never got a newsletter the week of June 21st nor did I get another before Brodhead? I am the only one? Do I need to see if my mailman likes Pietenpols? [Rolling Eyes]Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]"
I have not received mine either.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
Douwe---check out http://www.cozygirrrl.com/aircraftparts.htmI just referred a friend of mine to Chrissi & Randi for his 0-200 Pietenpol motor mount.CGParts(at)aol.com________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
This is not a complaint (I used to edit and publish a newsletter for a large EAAChapter, so I know how difficult it is!), just more data:I haven't gotten my newsletter, either.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Pietn38b(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta TestersIn a message dated 7/29/2015 1:39:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jeffboatright(at)emory.edu writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Boatright" This is not a complaint (I used to edit and publish a newsletter for a large EAA Chapter, so I know how difficult it is!), just more data:I haven't gotten my newsletter, either.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta TestersI have not received anything since third issue 2014. Jim BallewIn a message dated 7/29/2015 1:39:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jeffboatright(at)emory.edu writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jeff Boatright" This is not a complaint (I used to edit and publish a newsletter for a large EAA Chapter, so I know how difficult it is!), just more data:I haven't gotten my newsletter, either.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Tony Crawford
I have a C-85, what are you asking? What are the lengths and pitch?On 7/27/2015 10:35 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:>> Hey all,>> I have two props hanging on my wall which I have decided to sell since > I have no use for them.>> One is a brand new, custom carved prop for an 0200 piet made by Culver > props/valley engineering.>> The other is a completely unused Ole Fahlin brass-edged prop. I > researched it and it was made in the fifties and has been stored > inside ever since. It is in immaculate condition with absolutely no > delamination or any issues, so I am pretty confident it is useable > though Id certainly ck it out first. It is a thing of beauty. Cant > remember the pitch and size, but I think its for an A65 . I can ck > if anyones interested>> Douwe>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:06:31 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New BPA Issue and need a few Beta Testers
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