Original Posted By: "TCSHftg13"
Thank you Bill,I was out of town and couldn't respond.Hope to see you guys there.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
I built the wood landing gear per drawings and dimensions. The axle is 1.500" IDwith a 1.750 OD.How or where do I find a 40 spoke wheel to fit these dimensions???--------Tony CrawfordRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I built the wood landing gear per drawings and dimensions. The axle is 1.500" IDwith a 1.750 OD.How or where do I find a 40 spoke wheel to fit these dimensions???--------Tony CrawfordRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I designed mine and had the hubs machined, then had Buchanan's make customspokes and lace up the wheels for me. My axle is only 1.500" Outsidediameter though, so those drawings would not work for you.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
I designed mine and had the hubs machined, then had Buchanan's make customspokes and lace up the wheels for me. My axle is only 1.500" Outsidediameter though, so those drawings would not work for you.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
How about Harley wheels re machined for bushings instead of bearings. With motorcycle tires,tubes,steel rims,16"diameter. 32#each. How much do yoursweigh?Sent from my iPhone> On May 19, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > > I designed mine and had the hubs machined, then had Buchanan's make custom> spokes and lace up the wheels for me. My axle is only 1.500" Outside> diameter though, so those drawings would not work for you.> > > > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
How about Harley wheels re machined for bushings instead of bearings. With motorcycle tires,tubes,steel rims,16"diameter. 32#each. How much do yoursweigh?Sent from my iPhone> On May 19, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > > I designed mine and had the hubs machined, then had Buchanan's make custom> spokes and lace up the wheels for me. My axle is only 1.500" Outside> diameter though, so those drawings would not work for you.> > > > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
My wheels (complete with tires and tubes) weigh 25 lbs. apiece. And thehubs are 6" wide to help resist side loads on landing. The hubs aredesigned to accept Cleveland hydraulic brakes.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
My wheels (complete with tires and tubes) weigh 25 lbs. apiece. And thehubs are 6" wide to help resist side loads on landing. The hubs aredesigned to accept Cleveland hydraulic brakes.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: Jack Textor
Tony,Go to the Westcoastpiet.com site. Look at Gary Boothe's airplane. He has Harleywheels and they are working good for him.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Tony,Go to the Westcoastpiet.com site. Look at Gary Boothe's airplane. He has Harleywheels and they are working good for him.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: Glen Schweizer
Mine sure don't look as nice as JP's, weight without tire is 13 lbs.Jack TextorSent from my iPad> On May 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, TCSHftg13 wrote:> > > I built the wood landing gear per drawings and dimensions. The axle is 1.500"ID with a 1.750 OD.How or where do I find a 40 spoke wheel to fit these dimensions???> > --------> Tony Crawford> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 371#456371> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Mine sure don't look as nice as JP's, weight without tire is 13 lbs.Jack TextorSent from my iPad> On May 19, 2016, at 10:14 AM, TCSHftg13 wrote:> > > I built the wood landing gear per drawings and dimensions. The axle is 1.500"ID with a 1.750 OD.How or where do I find a 40 spoke wheel to fit these dimensions???> > --------> Tony Crawford> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 371#456371> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Very pretty! And a lot lighter. I do have a question though: if you had enough side load to worry about the wheels being damaged, wouldn't a ground loop follow and ruin your day any way?=F0=9F=98=A7=F0=9F=98=A9Sent from my iPhone> On May 19, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > My wheels (complete with tires and tubes) weigh 25 lbs. apiece. And the hubs are 6" wide to help resist side loads on landing. The hubs are designed to accept Cleveland hydraulic brakes.> > > > > > > > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Very pretty! And a lot lighter. I do have a question though: if you had enough side load to worry about the wheels being damaged, wouldn't a ground loop follow and ruin your day any way?=F0=9F=98=A7=F0=9F=98=A9Sent from my iPhone> On May 19, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > My wheels (complete with tires and tubes) weigh 25 lbs. apiece. And the hubs are 6" wide to help resist side loads on landing. The hubs are designed to accept Cleveland hydraulic brakes.> > > > > > > > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Not necessarily. By the way, I did groundloop mine during a forced landing many years ago, when the axle broke. The wheels were completely undamaged and didn=99t ever require trying afterwards. The axle was anither matter. I replaced it with one that has a .250=9D wall thickness and I had it heat treated to 160 ksi tensile strength.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Not necessarily. By the way, I did groundloop mine during a forced landing many years ago, when the axle broke. The wheels were completely undamaged and didn=99t ever require trying afterwards. The axle was anither matter. I replaced it with one that has a .250=9D wall thickness and I had it heat treated to 160 ksi tensile strength.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Original Posted By: Rick
Hello Piet friends. Would enjoy hearing how others cut and fabricate polyethylene.Is there a glue that works with it. I've used my band saw and knife. Planto use it for my rudder cable routing.Thanks!JackJack TextorSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Hello Piet friends. Would enjoy hearing how others cut and fabricate polyethylene.Is there a glue that works with it. I've used my band saw and knife. Planto use it for my rudder cable routing.Thanks!JackJack TextorSent from my iPad________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Original Posted By: John Cox
Jack,I used 1/8 in. Nylon for my fairleads. There is no way to glue polyethylene securely.I may have some pictures of how I did my fairleads. If I find them I willpost them.Rick SchreiberSent from my iPad> On May 21, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Jack Textor wrote:> > > Hello Piet friends. Would enjoy hearing how others cut and fabricate polyethylene.Is there a glue that works with it. I've used my band saw and knife.Plan to use it for my rudder cable routing.> Thanks!> Jack> > Jack Textor> > Sent from my iPad> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 10:12:51 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Jack,I used 1/8 in. Nylon for my fairleads. There is no way to glue polyethylene securely.I may have some pictures of how I did my fairleads. If I find them I willpost them.Rick SchreiberSent from my iPad> On May 21, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Jack Textor wrote:> > > Hello Piet friends. Would enjoy hearing how others cut and fabricate polyethylene.Is there a glue that works with it. I've used my band saw and knife.Plan to use it for my rudder cable routing.> Thanks!> Jack> > Jack Textor> > Sent from my iPad> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 10:12:51 -0700Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
RE: Pietenpol-List: Working with UHMW
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Or just buy the nylon fairleads from Aircraft Spruce like Piper used for years. They are made to fit in a short piece of =C2=BE=9D tubing, which can then be welded to a plate that can be attached to your structure. I used them throughout my Pietenpol. Here=99s a picture showing how they are mounted:And here=99s a picture showing a closeup of the mount:Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Or just buy the nylon fairleads from Aircraft Spruce like Piper used for years. They are made to fit in a short piece of =C2=BE=9D tubing, which can then be welded to a plate that can be attached to your structure. I used them throughout my Pietenpol. Here=99s a picture showing how they are mounted:And here=99s a picture showing a closeup of the mount:Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Vincent Dunn"
Meet the man who built his own plane from scratch, using second-hand parts andYouTube tutorials ... does the plane look familiar?Enjoy!WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Meet the man who built his own plane from scratch, using second-hand parts andYouTube tutorials ... does the plane look familiar?Enjoy!WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Tony,You say you built your gear "per the dimensions." The plans I bought from Doc M.are so bad I can't read the dimensions! If anyone can provide the dimensionsfrom Fig 6A, page 14. I'd appreciate it.--------Vincent DunnSalem Oregonvincentkdunn(at)yahoo.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/land ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Tony,You say you built your gear "per the dimensions." The plans I bought from Doc M.are so bad I can't read the dimensions! If anyone can provide the dimensionsfrom Fig 6A, page 14. I'd appreciate it.--------Vincent DunnSalem Oregonvincentkdunn(at)yahoo.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/land ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Tony,I think perhaps you used the wrong detail for your axle. The FGM drawings callfor the axle to be 1 1/2" OD x 12ga chrome molybdenum. The axle collar, thatslips over the axle is drawn with 1 1/2" ID and 1 3/4" OD.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Tony,I think perhaps you used the wrong detail for your axle. The FGM drawings callfor the axle to be 1 1/2" OD x 12ga chrome molybdenum. The axle collar, thatslips over the axle is drawn with 1 1/2" ID and 1 3/4" OD.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imag ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Rick Schreiber"
While we're on the subject of wooden gear, am I missing something as far as theaxle and bungee arrangement? I can't find anything on the drawings showing thecage or bracket that retains axle in case of bungee failure. I'm sure it's rightunder my nose, and as usual, I will probably realize the answer right asI hit the "submit" button...--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
While we're on the subject of wooden gear, am I missing something as far as theaxle and bungee arrangement? I can't find anything on the drawings showing thecage or bracket that retains axle in case of bungee failure. I'm sure it's rightunder my nose, and as usual, I will probably realize the answer right asI hit the "submit" button...--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Jon,What most due is put a loop of aircraft cable around the axle and the V block .Here is a pictureRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... __________
Jon,What most due is put a loop of aircraft cable around the axle and the V block .Here is a pictureRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "wheelharp"
Hey Jon,You're not missing anything, there is no "axle retaining" mechanism shown inthe plans. This, however, should definitely be added.As mentioned, most people use a cable look, BUT if you go that route, besure to make it sturdy and use a few nico sleeves if you use nicropresssleeves. I personally know someone who's bungee's failed on one side andthe "backup" cable slipped through the sleeve. Busted prop and an upsidedown airplane resulted.I made a "U" of thin aircraft tubing, flattened both ends and affixed it tosome of the AN3 bolts holding the lower "V" brackets together. Can't sayhow it'll work, but should be sturdy.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Hey Jon,You're not missing anything, there is no "axle retaining" mechanism shown inthe plans. This, however, should definitely be added.As mentioned, most people use a cable look, BUT if you go that route, besure to make it sturdy and use a few nico sleeves if you use nicropresssleeves. I personally know someone who's bungee's failed on one side andthe "backup" cable slipped through the sleeve. Busted prop and an upsidedown airplane resulted.I made a "U" of thin aircraft tubing, flattened both ends and affixed it tosome of the AN3 bolts holding the lower "V" brackets together. Can't sayhow it'll work, but should be sturdy.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: Richard Schreiber
Rick/Douwe, thanks for the help. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlookingsomething in the plans. This looks like one of those areas where it might be funto get a little creative with engineering. Rick, in the photo you posted, I'mguessing the downfacing rod is both a guide pin, and to keep axle from rotatingwith brakes. I might try to come up with something that is both a safetycage and rotational stop. If I get some time I will have to look at ideas on WestCoast Piet.--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Rick/Douwe, thanks for the help. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlookingsomething in the plans. This looks like one of those areas where it might be funto get a little creative with engineering. Rick, in the photo you posted, I'mguessing the downfacing rod is both a guide pin, and to keep axle from rotatingwith brakes. I might try to come up with something that is both a safetycage and rotational stop. If I get some time I will have to look at ideas on WestCoast Piet.--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Jon,Your are right, the down tube is an anti-rotation device since this set up has brakes. The photo I sent is not of my plane, though my set up is the same, but of Mike Cuys. A little more elegant way to set up the "safety strap" in case of bungee failure, is a modification of the loop seen on Mike Cuys plane. This is similar to what Dowe spoke of, but still uses a cable.The photo is a nice example on Dan Helspers plane. I just used a loop, but that was done an hour before first flight last year. I will do what Dan has done using 1/8" or 5/32" 1x19 cable as soon as I can. I am sure it will be strong enough.Regards,Rick SchreiberNX478RSOn 1/7/2017 12:39 PM, wheelharp wrote:>> Rick/Douwe, thanks for the help. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlookingsomething in the plans. This looks like one of those areas where it might befun to get a little creative with engineering. Rick, in the photo you posted,I'm guessing the downfacing rod is both a guide pin, and to keep axle from rotatingwith brakes. I might try to come up with something that is both a safetycage and rotational stop. If I get some time I will have to look at ideas onWest Coast Piet.>> --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Jon,Your are right, the down tube is an anti-rotation device since this set up has brakes. The photo I sent is not of my plane, though my set up is the same, but of Mike Cuys. A little more elegant way to set up the "safety strap" in case of bungee failure, is a modification of the loop seen on Mike Cuys plane. This is similar to what Dowe spoke of, but still uses a cable.The photo is a nice example on Dan Helspers plane. I just used a loop, but that was done an hour before first flight last year. I will do what Dan has done using 1/8" or 5/32" 1x19 cable as soon as I can. I am sure it will be strong enough.Regards,Rick SchreiberNX478RSOn 1/7/2017 12:39 PM, wheelharp wrote:>> Rick/Douwe, thanks for the help. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlookingsomething in the plans. This looks like one of those areas where it might befun to get a little creative with engineering. Rick, in the photo you posted,I'm guessing the downfacing rod is both a guide pin, and to keep axle from rotatingwith brakes. I might try to come up with something that is both a safetycage and rotational stop. If I get some time I will have to look at ideas onWest Coast Piet.>> --------> Jon Jones> Ironton, MO>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
For yet another version of the axle anti-rotation setup, go to Westcoastpiet.com , photos, and scroll down to John Dilatush's Air Camper pictures. Here's a good closeup: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joh ... 0049.JPGAs you'll see, John used a pair of short links with rod ends to form somewhat ofa "four-bar linkage" to keep the axle from rotating when the brakes are applied.In other photos there, you'll see that he also used the aircraft cable loopsto catch the axle if a bungee should let go.You will also find a photo of the motorcycle chain links that John used here andthere as cable shackles on his airplane. A pair of chain links and clevis pinsshould price out quite a bit lower cost than an AN115 cable shackle ($10.85each for 3/32-1/8" cables). Find a decent worn-out motorcycle chain, pressout the pins, and you can get the links for free.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
For yet another version of the axle anti-rotation setup, go to Westcoastpiet.com , photos, and scroll down to John Dilatush's Air Camper pictures. Here's a good closeup: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Joh ... 0049.JPGAs you'll see, John used a pair of short links with rod ends to form somewhat ofa "four-bar linkage" to keep the axle from rotating when the brakes are applied.In other photos there, you'll see that he also used the aircraft cable loopsto catch the axle if a bungee should let go.You will also find a photo of the motorcycle chain links that John used here andthere as cable shackles on his airplane. A pair of chain links and clevis pinsshould price out quite a bit lower cost than an AN115 cable shackle ($10.85each for 3/32-1/8" cables). Find a decent worn-out motorcycle chain, pressout the pins, and you can get the links for free.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine For SaleMy firewall forward, ready to fly Model A is for sale. Bolt it onto a "standard"plans built Pietenpol fuse and fly now. 76-44 wood prop, I still have the shippingbox the prop came in. WICO mag. Firewall forward with a few extra parts.The engine was flown for about 110 hours by Tom Lester in Knoxville about 10years ago. He traded it for an A65 or 85 and I bought it. This is NOT a prettyshow engine. It was built by a Model A "expert" somewhere in Michigan (I think)to Pietenpol plans specs. I would not hesitate to fly behind it. It is NOT"souped up", NOT high performance.Video (hope Mark doesn't mind me sharing this link!):https://youtu.be/ZAv-D1oaFj4I start/run it every year or so. Runs fine, this is a good strong engine. Personalmessage me for a PDF (LARGE FILE!) with lots of pics. $2500Jim MarklePryor, OKSent from my smartphone.Jim MarkleSent from my smartphone.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine For SaleMy firewall forward, ready to fly Model A is for sale. Bolt it onto a "standard"plans built Pietenpol fuse and fly now. 76-44 wood prop, I still have the shippingbox the prop came in. WICO mag. Firewall forward with a few extra parts.The engine was flown for about 110 hours by Tom Lester in Knoxville about 10years ago. He traded it for an A65 or 85 and I bought it. This is NOT a prettyshow engine. It was built by a Model A "expert" somewhere in Michigan (I think)to Pietenpol plans specs. I would not hesitate to fly behind it. It is NOT"souped up", NOT high performance.Video (hope Mark doesn't mind me sharing this link!):https://youtu.be/ZAv-D1oaFj4I start/run it every year or so. Runs fine, this is a good strong engine. Personalmessage me for a PDF (LARGE FILE!) with lots of pics. $2500Jim MarklePryor, OKSent from my smartphone.Jim MarkleSent from my smartphone.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Landing GEAR