Original Posted By: John Woods
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy=8BGuys,I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systemsepoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such athing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.Thanks,Tim in central TX________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyTim,The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/403 Microfibres is also suitable.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-microfibers/JohnWOn 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis wrote:> =8B> Guys,>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such a> thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>> Thanks,> Tim in central TX>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyTim,The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/403 Microfibres is also suitable.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-microfibers/JohnWOn 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis wrote:> =8B> Guys,>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such a> thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>> Thanks,> Tim in central TX>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxySlightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I didmy floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:> Tim,>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-> microfibers/>> JohnW>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis > wrote:>>> =8B>> Guys,>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>> Thanks,>> Tim in central TX>>>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxySlightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I didmy floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:> Tim,>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsystem.com/ss/403-> microfibers/>> JohnW>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis > wrote:>>> =8B>> Guys,>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>> Thanks,>> Tim in central TX>>>>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyTheir website.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.>> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.>> Blue Skies,> Steve D>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:>>> Tim,>>>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/>>>> JohnW>>>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis >> wrote:>>>>> =8B>>> Guys,>>>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such>>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>>>> Thanks,>>> Tim in central TX>>>>>>>>>> --> Blue Skies,> Steve D>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyTheir website.http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.>> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.>> Blue Skies,> Steve D>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:>>> Tim,>>>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/>>>> JohnW>>>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis >> wrote:>>>>> =8B>>> Guys,>>>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find such>>> a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>>>> Thanks,>>> Tim in central TX>>>>>>>>>> --> Blue Skies,> Steve D>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: "Mark Baxter"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyEarly morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember correctlyfor more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.They do have 405 high density filler.I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot onboats.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> Their website.>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:>>> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I>> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.>>>> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.>>>> Blue Skies,>> Steve D>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:>>>>> Tim,>>>>>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.>>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/>>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste>>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/>>>>>> JohnW>>>>>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis >>> wrote:>>>>>>> =8B>>>> Guys,>>>>>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>>>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find>>>> such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>> Tim in central TX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->> Blue Skies,>> Steve D>>>>> --> Blue Skies,> Steve D>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stuff to add to epoxy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxyEarly morning and only a half cup of coffee in me. If I remember correctlyfor more viscosity you can put in less hardener. BUT I may be wrong.They do have 405 high density filler.I have had good luck finding their products as Marine stores. Used a lot onboats.Blue Skies,Steve DOn Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Steven Dortch wrote:> Their website.>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/the-105-system/>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Steven Dortch > wrote:>>> Slightly related, I put just a little sand in my West System 205 when I>> did my floorboards to give me a little grip when getting in and out.>>>> I enjoyed using west systems epoxy. It went on just as advertised.>>>> Blue Skies,>> Steve D>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 5:18 AM, John Woods wrote:>>>>> Tim,>>>>>> The West Systems filler I've use is 406 Colloidal Silica.>>> http://www.westsystem.com/ss/406-colloidal-silica/>>> 403 Microfibres is also suitable. http://www.westsyste>>> m.com/ss/403-microfibers/>>>>>> JohnW>>>>>> On 19 November 2016 at 13:37, Timothy Willis >>> wrote:>>>>>>> =8B>>>> Guys,>>>>>>>> I have an application where I need more viscosity in my West systems>>>> epoxy. I have the little micro-beads to use when all I need is a filler,>>>> but I know that is NOT the right stuff when I need glue strength.>>>>>>>> What is the right additive? Where can I get it? I could not find>>>> such a thing on ASS, but then it helps to know its name.>>>>>>>> Thanks,>>>> Tim in central TX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -->> Blue Skies,>> Steve D>>>>> --> Blue Skies,> Steve D>-- Blue Skies,Steve D________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: Robert Rice
The stuff you want is 404 high density filler. It is specifically for bondingand can be added in amounts needed to get desired viscosity.Mark BaxterGN-1Corvallis, OregonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC)
The stuff you want is 404 high density filler. It is specifically for bondingand can be added in amounts needed to get desired viscosity.Mark BaxterGN-1Corvallis, OregonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2016 15:00:17 +0000 (UTC)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Stuff to add to epoxy
Original Posted By: Matt Dralle
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: "john francis"
Tim; most have provided the answer to your question already, but if I may elaboratejust a bit? You can add microballoons to the epoxy to make a lighter, moresandable filler material ('micro'). You can add flocked cotton fiber to theepoxy to make it thicker and more structural ('flox'). You can add fumed silicalike Cab-O-Sil to the epoxy to thicken it or make it a reinforced filler.My understanding is that all of those materials are generic and can be used withany of the epoxies, although you should always follow the epoxy manufacturer'sinstructions when adding anything to a product if it's used in a structuralapplication.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Tim; most have provided the answer to your question already, but if I may elaboratejust a bit? You can add microballoons to the epoxy to make a lighter, moresandable filler material ('micro'). You can add flocked cotton fiber to theepoxy to make it thicker and more structural ('flox'). You can add fumed silicalike Cab-O-Sil to the epoxy to thicken it or make it a reinforced filler.My understanding is that all of those materials are generic and can be used withany of the epoxies, although you should always follow the epoxy manufacturer'sinstructions when adding anything to a product if it's used in a structuralapplication.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: Timothy Willis
Ive been working on this myself for too long. I have the most forward support(head rest) done and am going to do the most rear one. I tried working my wayback one at a time and it just wasnt coming out. This is an old post I am attachingto here. Is there any newer ones with current pictures?Thanks,John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Ive been working on this myself for too long. I have the most forward support(head rest) done and am going to do the most rear one. I tried working my wayback one at a time and it just wasnt coming out. This is an old post I am attachingto here. Is there any newer ones with current pictures?Thanks,John--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: Richard Schreiber
Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yetwith scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty goodto me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yetwith scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty goodto me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?--------John FrancisRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
John,The bottom line is do what looks good to you. On the other hand, when planes with turtle decks are judged at Oshkosh, the judges look down the stringers to make sure the are perfectly straight. They are looking for stringers that have no bows in any direction. It can be done, but is more difficult to lay out and perfect. See the attached photos.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso INOn 11/22/2016 2:22 PM, john francis wrote:>> Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yetwith scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty goodto me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?>> --------> John Francis>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 965#462965>>> Attachments:>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1980_173.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
John,The bottom line is do what looks good to you. On the other hand, when planes with turtle decks are judged at Oshkosh, the judges look down the stringers to make sure the are perfectly straight. They are looking for stringers that have no bows in any direction. It can be done, but is more difficult to lay out and perfect. See the attached photos.Rick SchreiberNX478RSValparaiso INOn 11/22/2016 2:22 PM, john francis wrote:>> Thanks for the suggestions. I have not abandoned my first attempt at this yetwith scrap pieces of plywood as supports. This is starting to look pretty goodto me now. Does anyone see any problems with this?>> --------> John Francis>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 965#462965>>> Attachments:>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1980_173.jpg> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_ ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
Original Posted By: "john francis"
John;It does seem to be taking on some pleasing lines! And I realize that you're justgetting underway with it, but if you'll look at the image "tdeck1" that I sent,that piece of plywood over the stringers just aft of the rear seat back isvery important. I rest the palm of my hand right there every time I get outof the cockpit, and if the plywood wasn't there, I would be pushing on the fabricand not much else. You don't have to scallop the aft edge of the plywood,but I think the scalloping helps the fabric lay down smoother and not form avisible ridge where the plywood ends.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!
John;It does seem to be taking on some pleasing lines! And I realize that you're justgetting underway with it, but if you'll look at the image "tdeck1" that I sent,that piece of plywood over the stringers just aft of the rear seat back isvery important. I rest the palm of my hand right there every time I get outof the cockpit, and if the plywood wasn't there, I would be pushing on the fabricand not much else. You don't have to scallop the aft edge of the plywood,but I think the scalloping helps the fabric lay down smoother and not form avisible ridge where the plywood ends.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 power, 72x36 Culver propRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Turtle Deck Help!