Original Posted By: "rod wooller"
A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline lift struts from Skytek.Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the size to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the plans ?Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more questions).Rod WoollerChidlowAustraliaHotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
A couple of questions for any builders who have used the 6061-T6 streamline struts from Skytek.Is it ok to use the "small" strut (2.44"x1.00") or do we have to up the size to the larger 3.13"x1.25" strut due to it being 6061 and not 2 7/8"x7/8" steel as in the plans ?Have you used the same size strut for the lift struts and the cabanes ?Looking forward to meeting a lot of Piet builders at Brodhead (and asking a lot more questions-you bet!).Rod WoollerChidlowAustraliaHotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... ______Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 07:30:29 -0400
A couple of questions for any builders who have used the 6061-T6 streamline struts from Skytek.Is it ok to use the "small" strut (2.44"x1.00") or do we have to up the size to the larger 3.13"x1.25" strut due to it being 6061 and not 2 7/8"x7/8" steel as in the plans ?Have you used the same size strut for the lift struts and the cabanes ?Looking forward to meeting a lot of Piet builders at Brodhead (and asking a lot more questions-you bet!).Rod WoollerChidlowAustraliaHotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... ______Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 07:30:29 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: "rod wooller"
I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the cabanesand the larger for ift struts.I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient forlift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he largerstruts.For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long intothe strut to terminate the ends see the photos herehttp://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htmFor the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" longinto the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strutforks.They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all thestrut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and nowelding is required.They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the cabanesand the larger for ift struts.I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient forlift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he largerstruts.For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long intothe strut to terminate the ends see the photos herehttp://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-30-03.htmFor the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" longinto the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strutforks.They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all thestrut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and nowelding is required.They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: Doyle K. Combs
http://www.sky-tek.com/DJ ----- Original Message -----
http://www.sky-tek.com/DJ ----- Original Message -----
> Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: Jim Ash
Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: "DJ Vegh"
DJ ...where did you purchase the skytech strut material? ThanksDoyle Combs----- Original Message -----
DJ ...where did you purchase the skytech strut material? ThanksDoyle Combs----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Let's get started
Original Posted By: "Kent Hallsten"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Let's get started
Original Posted By: Jim Ash [mailto:ashcan(at)earthlink.net]
Jim,You'll probably get 50 answers, all different, but right now it looks likeI'm the first.1) Yes, get the plans first. To clear up a confusion, there are actuallytwo planes we talk about on the list--the Pietenpol and the GN-1. They onlylook alike, but there are a lot of differences in the details. I got thePietenpol plans because I wanted a 1929 airplane, not a 1950's airplane,designed to use "cheap" Piper cub parts and to look old. I'm showing abias, but that was my thinking. Better still, get both--they're cheaperthan any other part of the project. While you're at it, get the Flying andGlider Manual Reprint issue that published the Pietenpol--it's different ina lot of details, but helps illustrate the way that BHP was thinking. Thereis a builder's manual available from Don Pietenpol--not particularly useful,but there. Expect to stare at the plans a lot after you get them. There's a lot onthem, there's a lot that isn't obvious, and there are a few things that youhave to figure out yourself.2) Get a copy of the Aircraft Spruce and Supplies catalog. It's big, free,and includes most of the stuff that we use. Get the Wicks one too, andstare at them for a while. You may not order anything from either, ever,but they're useful references. Pick out some pieces to start making--I didthe wing ribs first, then the tail. Then again, I started from awoodworking perspective.3) Start showing up at your local EAA chapter. They'll start taking youseriously when you start bringing in plans and parts.4) Remember that this isn't a kit. You'll probably spend more timefiguring out what to do next than actually doing it, especially after youget the basic framing done.5) You don't say what part of the country you're in, but there's probablysomeone on the list within a hundred miles or so. Visit them forinspiration.Have fun--it's a great project!Gene HubbardSan Diego-----Original Message-----
Jim,You'll probably get 50 answers, all different, but right now it looks likeI'm the first.1) Yes, get the plans first. To clear up a confusion, there are actuallytwo planes we talk about on the list--the Pietenpol and the GN-1. They onlylook alike, but there are a lot of differences in the details. I got thePietenpol plans because I wanted a 1929 airplane, not a 1950's airplane,designed to use "cheap" Piper cub parts and to look old. I'm showing abias, but that was my thinking. Better still, get both--they're cheaperthan any other part of the project. While you're at it, get the Flying andGlider Manual Reprint issue that published the Pietenpol--it's different ina lot of details, but helps illustrate the way that BHP was thinking. Thereis a builder's manual available from Don Pietenpol--not particularly useful,but there. Expect to stare at the plans a lot after you get them. There's a lot onthem, there's a lot that isn't obvious, and there are a few things that youhave to figure out yourself.2) Get a copy of the Aircraft Spruce and Supplies catalog. It's big, free,and includes most of the stuff that we use. Get the Wicks one too, andstare at them for a while. You may not order anything from either, ever,but they're useful references. Pick out some pieces to start making--I didthe wing ribs first, then the tail. Then again, I started from awoodworking perspective.3) Start showing up at your local EAA chapter. They'll start taking youseriously when you start bringing in plans and parts.4) Remember that this isn't a kit. You'll probably spend more timefiguring out what to do next than actually doing it, especially after youget the basic framing done.5) You don't say what part of the country you're in, but there's probablysomeone on the list within a hundred miles or so. Visit them forinspiration.Have fun--it's a great project!Gene HubbardSan Diego-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Let's get started
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jim,I agree completely with Gene. This is not a kitplane, and as such willrequire considerable thought to complete it. One of the things I reallyenjoy about Pietenpols is to look at toher people's projects and see thevarious different ways they have come up with to solve the same problems.I've seen Gene's project in San Diego and he is doing an outstanding job onit. I've seen Frank Pavliga's and Mike Cuy's completed airplanes and theyare beautiful, and I have learned something form all of them. If you go toBrodhead, take a camera with a lot of film and take pictures of every littledetail you can think of, such as how the jury struts attach to the wing andthe lift struts - jury struts aren't even shown on the plans so you can findlots of variation here. Little details of how landing gear fittings aremade, or windshields or any of a number of other components. No twoPietenpols are alike - even those built by B H Pietenpol himself.By all means buy the plans and study them. Check out the archives of thisdiscussion group (nearly everything that can raise a question has beendebated back and forth here - sometimes with a definitive answer!). Askquestions. Think about it. Ask more questions. Try to plan how you aregoing to inspect your plane after it is built. Provide access to everythingthat will need inspecting. Such details aren't necessarily in the plans.Above all, enjoy the process.Good lucjk,Jack PhillipsIn rainy North Carolina, where Bill's remains are dumping on us today.NX899JP - tail covered, wings covered, centersection and fuselage are next.Hope to fly it this fall -----Original Message-----
Jim,I agree completely with Gene. This is not a kitplane, and as such willrequire considerable thought to complete it. One of the things I reallyenjoy about Pietenpols is to look at toher people's projects and see thevarious different ways they have come up with to solve the same problems.I've seen Gene's project in San Diego and he is doing an outstanding job onit. I've seen Frank Pavliga's and Mike Cuy's completed airplanes and theyare beautiful, and I have learned something form all of them. If you go toBrodhead, take a camera with a lot of film and take pictures of every littledetail you can think of, such as how the jury struts attach to the wing andthe lift struts - jury struts aren't even shown on the plans so you can findlots of variation here. Little details of how landing gear fittings aremade, or windshields or any of a number of other components. No twoPietenpols are alike - even those built by B H Pietenpol himself.By all means buy the plans and study them. Check out the archives of thisdiscussion group (nearly everything that can raise a question has beendebated back and forth here - sometimes with a definitive answer!). Askquestions. Think about it. Ask more questions. Try to plan how you aregoing to inspect your plane after it is built. Provide access to everythingthat will need inspecting. Such details aren't necessarily in the plans.Above all, enjoy the process.Good lucjk,Jack PhillipsIn rainy North Carolina, where Bill's remains are dumping on us today.NX899JP - tail covered, wings covered, centersection and fuselage are next.Hope to fly it this fall -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Let's get started
Original Posted By: Jim Ash
RE: Pietenpol-List: Let's get started
Original Posted By: Jim Ash [mailto:ashcan(at)earthlink.net]
John Grega designed the GN-1 to use Piper Cub components because they werecheap at the time. They aren't anymore. You'll have to ask DJ or someonewho's building one for the advantages. For me it was essentially anarbitrary decision, and since everyone calls them Pietenpols, it took me awhile to figure out why some of the planes were so different.Gene-----Original Message-----
John Grega designed the GN-1 to use Piper Cub components because they werecheap at the time. They aren't anymore. You'll have to ask DJ or someonewho's building one for the advantages. For me it was essentially anarbitrary decision, and since everyone calls them Pietenpols, it took me awhile to figure out why some of the planes were so different.Gene-----Original Message-----
> Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: clif
Thanks for the info DJ. I will buy some large struts when we get to New York and ship them home. I will use the same size for the cabanes as the 10'6'' lengths will have to be cut for shipping and I can get one strut and cabane from each length.What are you using for wing strut forks ? There are some Aeronca forks listed in the AS&S catalog, but no dimensions given. Are you familiar with these forks ?Thanks for you help.Rod WoollerAustralia(Leaving tomorrow for Brodhead via London, NY and Chicago)>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:24:09 -0700>>>I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the cabanes>and the larger for ift struts.>>I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient for>lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he >larger>struts.>>For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long >into>the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... 3.htm>>For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long>into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut>forks.>>They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all >the>strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no>welding is required.>>They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...>>>DJ Vegh>N74DV>Mesa, AZ>www.imagedv.com/aircamper>>>->>----- Original Message ----->From: "rod wooller" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts>>>> >> > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline lift> > struts from Skytek.> >> > Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the >size> > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the >plans>?> >> > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?> >> > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more> > questions).> >> > Rod Wooller> > Chidlow> > Australia> >> > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp> >> >>>Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... ______Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:24:27 -0700
Thanks for the info DJ. I will buy some large struts when we get to New York and ship them home. I will use the same size for the cabanes as the 10'6'' lengths will have to be cut for shipping and I can get one strut and cabane from each length.What are you using for wing strut forks ? There are some Aeronca forks listed in the AS&S catalog, but no dimensions given. Are you familiar with these forks ?Thanks for you help.Rod WoollerAustralia(Leaving tomorrow for Brodhead via London, NY and Chicago)>From: "DJ Vegh" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts>Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:24:09 -0700>>>I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for the cabanes>and the larger for ift struts.>>I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficient for>lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he >larger>struts.>>For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long >into>the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here>>http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... 3.htm>>For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long>into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut>forks.>>They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all >the>strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no>welding is required.>>They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...>>>DJ Vegh>N74DV>Mesa, AZ>www.imagedv.com/aircamper>>>->>----- Original Message ----->From: "rod wooller" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts>>>> >> > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamline lift> > struts from Skytek.> >> > Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the >size> > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the >plans>?> >> > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?> >> > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more> > questions).> >> > Rod Wooller> > Chidlow> > Australia> >> > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp> >> >>>Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... ______Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:24:27 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: "rod wooller"
I'm not sure about Aeronca forks but if they are anything like J-3 forksthey'll work fine.I'm using J-3 forks but I am threading them into solid steel bar instead ofaluminum.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
I'm not sure about Aeronca forks but if they are anything like J-3 forksthey'll work fine.I'm using J-3 forks but I am threading them into solid steel bar instead ofaluminum.DJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----
> > Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts
Original Posted By: lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
> >> >> >I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for thecabanes> >and the larger for ift struts.> >> >I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficientfor> >lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he> >larger> >struts.> >> >For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long> >into> >the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here> >> >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -30-03.htm> >> >For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long> >into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut> >forks.> >> >They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all> >the> >strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no> >welding is required.> >> >They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...> >> >> >DJ Vegh> >N74DV> >Mesa, AZ> >www.imagedv.com/aircamper> >> >> >-> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "rod wooller" > >To: > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts> >> >> >> > >> > > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamlinelift> > > struts from Skytek.> > >> > > Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the> >size> > > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the> >plans> >?> > >> > > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?> > >> > > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more> > > questions).> > >> > > Rod Wooller> > > Chidlow> > > Australia> > >> > > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> > > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp> > >> > >> >> >>> Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... __________
> >> >> >I am using the skytek struts. I'm using the smaller size for thecabanes> >and the larger for ift struts.> >> >I did the math and figured that the smaller struts would be sufficientfor> >lift struts but I wanted an extra factor of safety so I went witht he> >larger> >struts.> >> >For the cabanes I inserted .75" x 1" 2024 T3 aluminum bar about 5" long> >into> >the strut to terminate the ends see the photos here> >> >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -30-03.htm> >> >For the lift strutsI will instert 1x1 4130 solid steel bar about 7" long> >into the lower ends so that I can tap and thread a hole for lift strut> >forks.> >> >They are probably a tad heavier than 4130 streamline but you can get all> >the> >strut material for cabanes, lift and jury struts for about $290 and no> >welding is required.> >> >They make some nice jury strut streamline tube as well...> >> >> >DJ Vegh> >N74DV> >Mesa, AZ> >www.imagedv.com/aircamper> >> >> >-> >> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "rod wooller" > >To: > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Skytek struts> >> >> >> > >> > > A question (or two) for anyone who has used the 6061-T6 streamlinelift> > > struts from Skytek.> > >> > > Is the "small" strut (2.44''x1.00") ok to use or do we have to up the> >size> > > to the "large" strut seeing that it is 6061 and not steel, as in the> >plans> >?> > >> > > Have you used the same size for the lift struts and the cabanes ?> > >> > > Hope to meet plenty of Piet builders at Brodhead (and ask a lot more> > > questions).> > >> > > Rod Wooller> > > Chidlow> > > Australia> > >> > > Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> > > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp> > >> > >> >> >>> Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to> http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/sig ... __________