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Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march

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Original Posted By: "tools"
Thanks Scott neat stuff! Looks a little bit like a Baking Duce, a design I consideredbefore the Piet...Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:27 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Hello Fellow Pieters,> > Well Like I said, I have nothing to hide except the fear that you guys may wantto ban me from the Piet list now. :) Where do I start? How about the useof the word Certified? I used the term very loosely when I made my last entry.I should better explain. "Aerobatics" are authorized on my "Operating Limitations"for "one" person only. It is on the limitations the way it is becauseit was done in 1972. Today it is done through a logbook entry. The test pilottoday just states that certain maneuvers have been demonstrated and are safeto perform. Back in 1972 the maneuvers had to be performed in view of theFAA person who issued the "Operating Limitations". Mine were so demonstrated.Loops, Rolls, Stalls, Spins, Hammerheads etc. All positive G's. > > The question about the parachute. I can legally fly and do aerobatics withouta chute if I am by myself. If I had a passenger, both persons would need towear a chute. Now we all know that there simply is not any room in a Piet fora chute. This is true with my plane too, so yes I do the aerobatics without one.I quit doing loops about 15 years ago because the pull up in the beginningof the loop induced a fare amount of G's to get the plane over the top of theloop. So now if I want the feeling of the loop I just do a split S. I cando that and keep the plane under 2-G's safely. Why load the plane up if I don'tneed to? Yes the barrel only puts a little more than 1-G on the plane. > > Okay, so now on to the air-frame differences. I admit that it looks like a Pietbut under the fabric, it is not. I have a steel tube fuselage. It is notthe fuse on the Pietenpol drawings. The dimensions are the same as the Piet butthe structure is not. I have a lot more tubing in mine. I also have steeltail feathers. The wing is also different hence the bigger ailerons. The wingswere actually built to the "REED" Clipped wing drawings for the J-3 cub.These are the wings that allow the guys to do acro in the cubs. So the wingis a proven acro wing. I only have a 27 foot wing span, this make the aileronslook huge. > > This is only a brief description of the big differences and it will only causemore questions, but that is okay with me. Like you guys, I like talking aboutmy plane. > > So I'm sure some of you are wondering what the G limitations are on my plane?Back in the mid 1970's an engineer from General Dynamics did the calculationsfor us. His name was Bud Evans. His name may be familiar to so of you oldtimers. He is the guy that designed the Volksplane one and two. He was very wellqualified to do the math. Anyway to the point. the documents I have fromhim say the plane is good for 4.2 G's. He even told us where it would fail ifit did. Yes I do need be nice and handle the plane gently. The good part isthat the plane is so draggy that it doesn't pick up much speed during the descentsmaking it easy to not overload the thing. > > Attached is a naked pic of the fuse. > > Please feel free to ask more questions. I would like you all to understand thatI am very much in support of the Piet and the community. I don't pretendthat mine is a Piet, it very much looks like one from 100 feet. It is supposedto. Piets are cool. I just happen to have one of the most different snowflakesfrom the rest.> > Cheers all, More later,> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 481#437481> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_117_140.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march

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Original Posted By: "bdewenter"
For anyone that's interested, attached is a copy of the inspiring Sport Aviationarticle mentioned by William.Bill C.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/1990 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march

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Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Good Piet folks,I just have to chime in on toolstock. Search this list and you will find a veryold post from a guy named "tools" offering up his shop to anyone who wantedto "tinker with his machines". My first thought was the movie Deliverance...Ishuddered to think about a guy from Ohio visiting a guy in Tennessee who postedon the internet to come on over for the weekend.A year later I was schooled by Terry Hand and Gardner Mason who were each planningon attending toolstock '14. I decided to attend. But all this time I'm wonderingwho this 'tools' is. Then I learn he is a Delta pilot and good friendswith Terry (Mr. Hand as I call him) also a Delta captain.We had a great time. I learned how to use a lathe and tried my hand at TIG weldingalong with another Piet builder whose name I will omit here (but might havementioned above) for what we did to tools poor TIG welder. Here are some otherhighlightsLunch Saturday was pulled pork (from either one of the hogs named bacon and porkchop) who were both fine and dandy early Friday. Pork Chop (or was it Bacon)was suddenly very lonely and well behaved.There is a firing range that I plan on making more use of this year.If there is a machine made in the world, tools likely has one.If you are reasonably close to Chattanooga I highly recommend attending. I drove7 hours each way.I'm sure Dan will take you up for a Piet ride also.--------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:08:38 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Original Posted By: "Lorenzo"
I knew I had seen the Roe Sport years ago! Thanks for posting that Bill. Neatstory! I mentioned it on Facebook and I'll say it here too... It is a stunningand beautiful ship! And he took building an airplane to a new level. Justnot a Pietenpol, that's all. But it is a ship I'd be proud to own and fly! Very nice.Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Original Posted By: "tools"
Scott, I am replacing my corvair with a C 85 and am wondering what kind of performanceyou are getting. I hope to be flying by summertime. Thanks, Gardinermason.Sent from my iPad> On Jan 25, 2015, at 8:03 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote:> > > Steve,> my data plate is on the forward face of the turtle deck between my shoulder blades.My airworthiness is on the back side of the front seat back. It is outof the windy part of the cockpit and protected by rain or morning dew if leftoutside at Brodhead.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 635#437635> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march

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Original Posted By: Tony Crawford
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?

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Original Posted By: "biplan53"
335 Castlerock Ln, Chickamauga, GA 30707Just south of Chart TN. Call for details if ya want, 423 580 1383ToolsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
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Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Dan you read my comment before I went back and rewrote it. It hit me the wrongway and I got it off my chest . If Dowe is as good a person as you say he is Iwant to be the first to apologize. You or he can call me any time at 318-255-8539My name is Mike Smith at Ruston La. I don't hide behind a code name. Thisis the first time I got into it on a forum.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march

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Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
Thank you all. Just about to make the final ten ribs, which will be the (six) endribs and aileron area ribs.--------JohnRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Toolstock 2015. 26 February - 1 march
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Original Posted By: "biplan53"
Got my airline tickets this morning! Arrive Thursday at 7:55...If anyone is driving up from Atlanta, I'll buy dinner on the way up..PM me.Thanks--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet list and BPA slowly dying?
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down

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Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Thanks Dan I appreciate it. I will try to stay on target. If I can help call me.I might not know the answer , but I can find someone who does.--------Building steel fuselage aircamper.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flop hold down
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Original Posted By:age-----=0A Fastnaught John =0ATo: Piete
Hi Jack,=0A=0A=0ACongrats on your inspection (photos?). This is what I used. I chose it because I thought it looked Piet-en-polish.http://www.rockler.com/classic-oblong-c ... A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0ALoensloe Airfield=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Mess
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Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark"

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Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Dear "biplane 53"Please accept my sincere apologies for sounding "caustic" when I posted that Iwasn't posting pics for kudos but to encourage. It had previously been subtlysuggested I was doing so.SincerelyDouweSent from my iPh________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 07:14:03 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My "caustic remark"
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