Original Posted By: "aviken"
Andy,Please don't give up. "There are no stupid questions"...you know the rest. I hopewe are all here to help each other, whatever our position and to not so easilytake offense. Hopefully something that is said positively could inspire othersto start to build or continue to build. None of us is too old to learn, nortoo experienced to not pick up something from each other. I just flew my plane 2 days ago for the first time. I have a fairly extensive historyin aviation but the thrill of that flight ranks up there with my firstsolo; it was awesome! My hope is that whatever has been said will not deter youfrom continuing on your journey to hopefully have that same experience. It trulyis worth it.I am happy to help in any way that I can, for so many have helped me along my journey.Especially when I thought I was asking the stupid questions.Hang in there,JackSent from my iPad> On Mar 19, 2015, at 7:53 PM, Andy Garrett wrote:> > > Andy, > > > > I will save time and speak plainly: Unless you have a very serious approach change,your never going to make it in aircraft building. > > > > Your Comment: I just have certain 'devices' I use to ferret out the informationand passionate opinions that I seek." > > Is pretty insulting to say the least. As man who writes as passionately as youdo, I find this comment incredible. All the same, I apologize. I am not hereto have people "ferret out" things. I am here to share what I know. The veryconcept that you honestly think that knowing little or nothing about planes, youcan spark an internet discussion between people you have never met, and thenon the basis or reading a few hundred words, suddenly you are qualified to evaluatethe mechanical integrity, the operational history, the builder issuesand details of each option. That my friend, is a total joke. Yet after readinga few hundred of my words, you have made an assessment of my "mechanical integrity",my "operational history" and decided that public ridicule and embarrassmentwas the direction to take. You've decided that I am ignorance and declaredme unfit with no hope of success. Moreover, you've done it in front of otherswho obviously admire you, who may have better under!> stood my cultural and education bias and chosen to help me as they could.In 25years I have personally known 500 people who have finished a homebuilt, maybe180 of them working on a plans built design that was their first plane. Theyhad a common characteristic: They all found 2 or 3 successfully builders of thesame design, and followed their lead. They didn't 'vet' or screen these peopleand evaluate their integrity, because they didn't have the expertise to doso. They just looked at their success, and used it as a pattern. That is vettingsir. They just correctly assumed that they would learn why these successfulbuilders did what they did along the way. Such an assumption is also a formof vetting. They didn't blindly follow anyone, but they didn't question peoplesdecisions on subjects they really didn't know anything about yet. How else dowe understand a person decision unless we question why it was made--explorethe contributing factors?. This is a logical approach!> . To not do so IS blindly following. Your statement is unclear!> at best> > --contradictory at worst. I also have met, in person easily more than 10,000people who told me that they were absolutely personally committed to successfullybuilding their plane, and all of these people failed. Failed to do what sir?Fly a plane they completed? I recently met a man in his eighties who had justcompleted the plane he knew he would never fly. Did he fail? What of thosebuilders with a 20 year old half built aircraft in their garage which remindsthem of all the great nights working with their father? Having enjoyed and learnedfrom what they accomplished, did they too fail by your standards? They alsohad a common characteristic: They thought just like you. Again, a few hundredwords, and you know how I think? Presumptuous.> My experience says that people very rarely change their approach, no matter whatthey say. Go ahead, take the next 10 years of your spare time and all yourextra money and try to prove that you are the 1 in 10,000 guy who is going tomake the "start arguments, and evaluate from no experience" process work. Itwas not my intention to start an argument. I appologize again Mr. Wynne. Goodluck with that. Your life, your choice, your approach. -ww.> > I am truly sorry for any offense. It was my desire to spend many years here asI worked through and enjoyed my build. Obviously, I will find a different engineplatform to build, as you clearly have no patience for my kind. I guess themoney I've spent with your company thus far was wasted. I fear that I willalso have to become a mere lurker here on the forums, trying to absorb what Ican through passive means. Perhaps a few will help me through PMs.> > You, the leading expert on Corvairs, an authority on Pietenpols, and an ambassadorin the homebuilding world have read a couple hundred of my words and passedjudgment. I have been weighed, measured, and found wanting..., by you. Wherea rational man recognizing his status in this community would have sent meprivate message to coach me on my approach if he objected, you chose public shamingand humiliation. I find your attitude to be unbecoming a man positionedto influence so many. Mentorship does not seem to suit you on this day.> > I consider the matter closed. Best to you and yours.> > --------> Andy Garrett> 'General Purpose Creative Dude'> Haysville, Kansas> > > > > Read this topic online here:> >
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