Original Posted By: Kevin McDonald
Hello list,Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one thatprobably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use onthe Piet and are there any parts available?Thanks,Bob Bailey________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Lycoming O-145
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: "Lee L. Schiek"
An interesting engine but parts, service, reliability, life expectency, and actual power output indicate that the Continental A-65 is a better choice.But if you want something unique....~ktmRobert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob Bailey________________________________________________________________________________
An interesting engine but parts, service, reliability, life expectency, and actual power output indicate that the Continental A-65 is a better choice.But if you want something unique....~ktmRobert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob Bailey________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyRUN!!! Don't just walk away! Research it carefully. . . .it came off anairboat because it was TOO dependable & in-spec for aviation use?.... Seriously Bob, low HP Lycomings & Franklins can EAT YOU ALIVE in rebuild costs. I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but look very carefully and plug-in airworthy parts costs before you commit to it. For the money vs. dependability factor, I think I could end-up with with an "A" powered Piet with 5 spare engines. My neighbor/friend/fellow adult- beverage consumer has a $20K+ Flybaby: 4K for airframe + ?? for Lycoming.________________________________________________________________________________
Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyRUN!!! Don't just walk away! Research it carefully. . . .it came off anairboat because it was TOO dependable & in-spec for aviation use?.... Seriously Bob, low HP Lycomings & Franklins can EAT YOU ALIVE in rebuild costs. I'm sure there are exceptions out there, but look very carefully and plug-in airworthy parts costs before you commit to it. For the money vs. dependability factor, I think I could end-up with with an "A" powered Piet with 5 spare engines. My neighbor/friend/fellow adult- beverage consumer has a $20K+ Flybaby: 4K for airframe + ?? for Lycoming.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: "Alan A. Laudani"
Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyI remember Richard Burton of Hockley Valley, Ontario (a Pietenpol Flyer)telling me of this firm in Florida that had a lot of lycomings that theyrebuild and were for sale for use in air boats.Richard approached the firm to inquire about their use in aircraftengines and the firm did not recommend it. The firm's rebuild parts werenot certified parts, some were remanufactured but not to airworthinessstandards and some were new but also not certified. Apparently you couldpurchase a rebuilt 65 for $3,000.00 and a used engine for air-boat use.Regards,Dom. Bellissimo________________________________________________________________________________
Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyI remember Richard Burton of Hockley Valley, Ontario (a Pietenpol Flyer)telling me of this firm in Florida that had a lot of lycomings that theyrebuild and were for sale for use in air boats.Richard approached the firm to inquire about their use in aircraftengines and the firm did not recommend it. The firm's rebuild parts werenot certified parts, some were remanufactured but not to airworthinessstandards and some were new but also not certified. Apparently you couldpurchase a rebuilt 65 for $3,000.00 and a used engine for air-boat use.Regards,Dom. Bellissimo________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: Aron(at)hrn.bradley.edu
Robert,There is a Piet baised at Williamsport Pa with a Lycoming 65 in it. I amnot sure who owns it now, but the people at Aeroflight would know. I wasbuilt by Bill Silk up at Tunkannick Pa. Carl Nicewinder from XSunburyowned it for several year and flew it quite a bit. Someone from Textronin Williamsport said the engine should be in a museum.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
Robert,There is a Piet baised at Williamsport Pa with a Lycoming 65 in it. I amnot sure who owns it now, but the people at Aeroflight would know. I wasbuilt by Bill Silk up at Tunkannick Pa. Carl Nicewinder from XSunburyowned it for several year and flew it quite a bit. Someone from Textronin Williamsport said the engine should be in a museum.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: Jerry Guyer
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Robert M. Bailey wrote:> Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyIf it will run, why not just use it. It's not that hard to set it up on a test stand and check everything out. If you are getting good compressions, not throwing oil or producung metal, give it a whirl. If it's too expensive to O/H down the road, you'll at least have gotten a couple of years use out of it. It's better than tossing the thing. If you do plan on tossing it, let me know. I need an MS-3SPA or simular carb and would be interested in buying it. I'd even consider a Stromberg.Ken.________________________________________________________________________________
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Robert M. Bailey wrote:> Hello list,> Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> the Piet and are there any parts available?> Thanks,> Bob BaileyIf it will run, why not just use it. It's not that hard to set it up on a test stand and check everything out. If you are getting good compressions, not throwing oil or producung metal, give it a whirl. If it's too expensive to O/H down the road, you'll at least have gotten a couple of years use out of it. It's better than tossing the thing. If you do plan on tossing it, let me know. I need an MS-3SPA or simular carb and would be interested in buying it. I'd even consider a Stromberg.Ken.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: Wright, James Glynn, III (Jim) [SMTP:jgw(at)lucent.com]
I think Ken's pragmatic viewpoint is very smart! I'm curious though...a question to the group.If we can run non-certified engines in a Piet (Model A, Corvair, etc), then why couldn't you use a Lycoming airboat engine and rebuild it with the less expensive non-certified parts. As long as proper care was taken in how you build-up the motor, I would think that safety would not be an issue. Someone was saying the other day that the Model B Ford engine had be "certified" before too.Maybe this Lycoming idea isn't so bad.Jim Wrightjgw(at)skynet.be-----Original Message-----
I think Ken's pragmatic viewpoint is very smart! I'm curious though...a question to the group.If we can run non-certified engines in a Piet (Model A, Corvair, etc), then why couldn't you use a Lycoming airboat engine and rebuild it with the less expensive non-certified parts. As long as proper care was taken in how you build-up the motor, I would think that safety would not be an issue. Someone was saying the other day that the Model B Ford engine had be "certified" before too.Maybe this Lycoming idea isn't so bad.Jim Wrightjgw(at)skynet.be-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: RE: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > > Hello list,> > Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> > probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> > the Piet and are there any parts available?> > Thanks,> > Bob Bailey> > If it will run, why not just use it. It's not that hard to set it up on> a> test stand and check everything out. If you are getting good> compressions, not throwing oil or producung metal, give it a whirl. If> it's too expensive to O/H down the road, you'll at least have gotten a> couple of years use out of it. It's better than tossing the thing. If> you> do plan on tossing it, let me know. I need an MS-3SPA or simular carb> and> would be interested in buying it. I'd even consider a Stromberg.> > Ken.> Get a Lycoming overhaul manual and tear the engine down, do a dyepenetrant on the case and cylinders to look for cracks, get the crank and rods magnafluxed at a community college, buy new pistons,etc.... if the innards check out ok and can be rebuilt to overhaulmanual specs without having to buy major parts, use the engine. Ifit was used in an airboat any internal damage that makes it unuseablewill show up when you check out the internal parts. I think the mainthing that happens to airboat engines is damage from overheating.johnkBomabardier Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
> On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Robert M. Bailey wrote:> > > Hello list,> > Does anyone have experience with the 65hp Lycoming? I have one that> > probably saw service on a airboat. Is it worth rebuilding for use on> > the Piet and are there any parts available?> > Thanks,> > Bob Bailey> > If it will run, why not just use it. It's not that hard to set it up on> a> test stand and check everything out. If you are getting good> compressions, not throwing oil or producung metal, give it a whirl. If> it's too expensive to O/H down the road, you'll at least have gotten a> couple of years use out of it. It's better than tossing the thing. If> you> do plan on tossing it, let me know. I need an MS-3SPA or simular carb> and> would be interested in buying it. I'd even consider a Stromberg.> > Ken.> Get a Lycoming overhaul manual and tear the engine down, do a dyepenetrant on the case and cylinders to look for cracks, get the crank and rods magnafluxed at a community college, buy new pistons,etc.... if the innards check out ok and can be rebuilt to overhaulmanual specs without having to buy major parts, use the engine. Ifit was used in an airboat any internal damage that makes it unuseablewill show up when you check out the internal parts. I think the mainthing that happens to airboat engines is damage from overheating.johnkBomabardier Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
Hello list,Thanks for all the comments, it seems that the majority opinion is toproceed, but with caution. The engine is not in runnable condition(missing carb and mags) but the price was right. It was given to me bya friend that had no need for it. I get the overhaul manuals and go fromthere. Again Thanks, Bob B.________________________________________________________________________________
Hello list,Thanks for all the comments, it seems that the majority opinion is toproceed, but with caution. The engine is not in runnable condition(missing carb and mags) but the price was right. It was given to me bya friend that had no need for it. I get the overhaul manuals and go fromthere. Again Thanks, Bob B.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By:> Jim Wright
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-145
Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
by all means you can use the engine. Certified engines are forcertified aircraft, not experimental aircraft. There is an advantageto using certified engines on x's because of the flight restrictionsduring the test period. If you have a certified engine you only have toput 25 hrs in the local test area. If you are using an non-certifiedengine they you have to fly of 40 hours prior to leaving the test areaor carring passengers...big deal.. use the lycoming....Jerry________________________________________________________________________________
by all means you can use the engine. Certified engines are forcertified aircraft, not experimental aircraft. There is an advantageto using certified engines on x's because of the flight restrictionsduring the test period. If you have a certified engine you only have toput 25 hrs in the local test area. If you are using an non-certifiedengine they you have to fly of 40 hours prior to leaving the test areaor carring passengers...big deal.. use the lycoming....Jerry________________________________________________________________________________