Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizersand possibly the ailerons.I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half thecost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually makeCG better for me.Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..Thanks...Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
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Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Owen Davies
Go for it Spruce is too expensive and Fir is stronger. If you used firthroughout the plane wouldn't be 15 lbs heavier. >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>jimsury(at)fbtc.net________________________________________________________________________________
Go for it Spruce is too expensive and Fir is stronger. If you used firthroughout the plane wouldn't be 15 lbs heavier. >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>jimsury(at)fbtc.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Greg Yotz asked about Douglas fir.A friend completed a lovely Doug fir Piet with a C-85 engine.It wound up a bit tail heavy, but nothing that couldn't be takencare of by moving the wing a few inches.Out of curiosity, what engine are you using that gives a betterCG with heavier material?Owen Davies________________________________________________________________________________
Greg Yotz asked about Douglas fir.A friend completed a lovely Doug fir Piet with a C-85 engine.It wound up a bit tail heavy, but nothing that couldn't be takencare of by moving the wing a few inches.Out of curiosity, what engine are you using that gives a betterCG with heavier material?Owen Davies________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
Used Doug Fir throughout empty weight is 626lbs.Go for it!STevee-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:30 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Douglas FurHas anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizersand possibly the ailerons.I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half thecost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually makeCG better for me.Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..Thanks...Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
Used Doug Fir throughout empty weight is 626lbs.Go for it!STevee-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 8:30 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Douglas FurHas anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizersand possibly the ailerons.I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half thecost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually makeCG better for me.Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..Thanks...Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
What was your source for wood? Was there anything else special for usingdouglas fur?Did you use d/f for your spars? How did you route them out?Thank.... :-)I got it locally from Salt Lake Mill and Specialty Supply. I splinters abit easier than spruce (so I hear) Other than that it works just like anyother wood. I used it in my spars too. Routed them with... a router!Seriously, I just made a template for the spars where I wanted to cut outthe wood, then routed out with several passes of a 1/2 router bit. On theedge of the cut I used a half round to avoid a sharp corner.STEve________________________________________________________________________________
What was your source for wood? Was there anything else special for usingdouglas fur?Did you use d/f for your spars? How did you route them out?Thank.... :-)I got it locally from Salt Lake Mill and Specialty Supply. I splinters abit easier than spruce (so I hear) Other than that it works just like anyother wood. I used it in my spars too. Routed them with... a router!Seriously, I just made a template for the spars where I wanted to cut outthe wood, then routed out with several passes of a 1/2 router bit. On theedge of the cut I used a half round to avoid a sharp corner.STEve________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
That was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a little easier,also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because ofthe additional strength?What did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? How manygrains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry aboutpitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> What was your source for wood? Was there anything else special for using> douglas fur?> Did you use d/f for your spars? How did you route them out?>> Thank....
>> I got it locally from Salt Lake Mill and Specialty Supply. I splinters a> bit easier than spruce (so I hear) Other than that it works just like any> other wood. I used it in my spars too. Routed them with... a router!> Seriously, I just made a template for the spars where I wanted to cut out> the wood, then routed out with several passes of a 1/2 router bit. On the> edge of the cut I used a half round to avoid a sharp corner.>> STEve________________________________________________________________________________
That was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a little easier,also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because ofthe additional strength?What did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? How manygrains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry aboutpitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> What was your source for wood? Was there anything else special for using> douglas fur?> Did you use d/f for your spars? How did you route them out?>> Thank....
>> I got it locally from Salt Lake Mill and Specialty Supply. I splinters a> bit easier than spruce (so I hear) Other than that it works just like any> other wood. I used it in my spars too. Routed them with... a router!> Seriously, I just made a template for the spars where I wanted to cut out> the wood, then routed out with several passes of a 1/2 router bit. On the> edge of the cut I used a half round to avoid a sharp corner.>> STEve________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:40 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas FurThat was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a littleeasier,also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because ofthe additional strength?Nope, used per plans sizesWhat did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? Howmanygrains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry aboutpitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)Become aquainted with AC 43-13a Acceptable Methods and Procedures It hasall the information about how to grade aircraft woods, and lists otheracceptable substitutes.I had very few pitch pockets.Good Luck,Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:40 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas FurThat was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a littleeasier,also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because ofthe additional strength?Nope, used per plans sizesWhat did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? Howmanygrains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry aboutpitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)Become aquainted with AC 43-13a Acceptable Methods and Procedures It hasall the information about how to grade aircraft woods, and lists otheracceptable substitutes.I had very few pitch pockets.Good Luck,Stevee________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
What did you pay per board foot??? I know it will change depending on the area,because of transport etc. I was just wondering.Also what kind of plywood did you use??I have a partial AC 43-13a.(photo copied and lost part of it) I was wonderingif anyone knew where to find it published on the net?Thanks for answering all the continuos questions!!!!Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
What did you pay per board foot??? I know it will change depending on the area,because of transport etc. I was just wondering.Also what kind of plywood did you use??I have a partial AC 43-13a.(photo copied and lost part of it) I was wonderingif anyone knew where to find it published on the net?Thanks for answering all the continuos questions!!!!Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: "Davis, Marc"
-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:46 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas FurWhat did you pay per board foot??? I know it will change depending on thearea,because of transport etc. I was just wondering.Also what kind of plywood did you use??$4.75 -5.25 per board foot. I used 108 b/f.3mm and 6mm 3ply non certified/ but aircraft quality plywood from B&Dinternational in oregon or washington.I have a partial AC 43-13a.(photo copied and lost part of it) I waswonderingif anyone knew where to find it published on the net?Thanks for answering all the continuos questions!!!!Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
-----Original Message-----Greg YotzSent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:46 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas FurWhat did you pay per board foot??? I know it will change depending on thearea,because of transport etc. I was just wondering.Also what kind of plywood did you use??$4.75 -5.25 per board foot. I used 108 b/f.3mm and 6mm 3ply non certified/ but aircraft quality plywood from B&Dinternational in oregon or washington.I have a partial AC 43-13a.(photo copied and lost part of it) I waswonderingif anyone knew where to find it published on the net?Thanks for answering all the continuos questions!!!!Greg Yotz________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: pilot00(at)earthlink.net
regarding the douglas fir. i am building my piet with this type of wood.the only spruce is in the wing ribs as it is easier to mold for hte shapes.the data that i have found shows onl 3 to 5 % increase in weight witch isnegligibl. the E.A.A and the F.A.A has good data.>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>________________________________________________________________________________
regarding the douglas fir. i am building my piet with this type of wood.the only spruce is in the wing ribs as it is easier to mold for hte shapes.the data that i have found shows onl 3 to 5 % increase in weight witch isnegligibl. the E.A.A and the F.A.A has good data.>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>>>-----Original Message----->Greg Yotz>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:40 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: Douglas Fur>>>That was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a little>easier,>also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because of>the additional strength?>>Nope, used per plans sizes>>What did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? How>many>grains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry about>pitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)>>Become aquainted with AC 43-13a Acceptable Methods and Procedures It has>all the information about how to grade aircraft woods, and lists other>acceptable substitutes.>I had very few pitch pockets.>>Good Luck,>>Stevee>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>>-----Original Message----->Greg Yotz>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 10:40 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: Douglas Fur>>>That was what I meant about routing.... I knew it splintered a little>easier,>also wondered if you reduced stock sizes or routed a little extra because of>the additional strength?>>Nope, used per plans sizes>>What did you use for a guide as far as picking out specific pieces? How>many>grains per inch, knots, direction of grain etc. (do you have to worry about>pitch pockets as bad as with spruce?)>>Become aquainted with AC 43-13a Acceptable Methods and Procedures It has>all the information about how to grade aircraft woods, and lists other>acceptable substitutes.>I had very few pitch pockets.>>Good Luck,>>Stevee>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: oil can
--Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails. About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use of a#65 pilot drill.I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For spars Iwill seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
--Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails. About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use of a#65 pilot drill.I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For spars Iwill seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: oil can
--Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails. About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use of a#65 pilot drill.I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For spars Iwill seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
--Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails. About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use of a#65 pilot drill.I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For spars Iwill seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>and possibly the ailerons.>I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>CG better for me.>Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>>>Thanks...>>Greg Yotz>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
What did you pay for you Hemlock???? What parts did you find DF unsatisfactoryfor?Greg Yotz...oil can wrote:> --Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails.>> About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use ofa #65 pilot drill.>> I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!>> My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For sparsI will seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:> >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???> >I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers> >and possibly the ailerons.> >I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the> >cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)> >I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make> >CG better for me.> >Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..> >> >> >Thanks...> >> >Greg Yotz> >> >> >>> http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
What did you pay for you Hemlock???? What parts did you find DF unsatisfactoryfor?Greg Yotz...oil can wrote:> --Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails.>> About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap strips cutand bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use ofa #65 pilot drill.>> I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!>> My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For sparsI will seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, and dougfir.>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:> >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???> >I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers> >and possibly the ailerons.> >I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the> >cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)> >I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make> >CG better for me.> >Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..> >> >> >Thanks...> >> >Greg Yotz> >> >> >>> http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Douglas Fur
Original Posted By: Sanford Love
--I don't really remember what i paid for hemlock, but it seems that it was about1/3 the price of a/c spruce, and about the same as doug fir.I'm the last guy who should critisize the use of d/f however. It has been usedsuccessfully in lots of airplanes.from my reading, it has been said that this wood (d/f) does shatter rather easily.in my work with 1/4 by 1/4 capstrip i found that to be true.My problem with fir was splits along the grain between the red and white grainlines.Also it chipped easily.I then switched to hand selected stright grain (western)hemlock, and was very satisfyedwith the result.later, just to see what a/c sitka spruce was like, i purchased some vary fine boatgrade sitka spruce. it was a very nice wood, and but for price i would usethat. W. hemlock was very close in bending strength, and cutting quality to thespruce, so i used that.lastly, from my reading, w. hemlock is only 10% heavier than spruce, while havingequal or slightly greater strength.no more than 1:15 grain slopeno pitch or bark pocketsno swirrlsonly tiny nots...i say no knotsNO...fine white lines across grain !!and lastly, 1/4 sawn + or minus 45degrees, with no less than 6 annular rings perinch.A very good book to read is EAA aircraft building techniques in wood. or somethinglike that.oil can bobOn Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:19:22 Greg Yotz wrote:>What did you pay for you Hemlock???? What parts did you find DF unsatisfactoryfor?>>Greg Yotz...>>oil can wrote:>>> --Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails.>>>> About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap stripscut and bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use ofa #65 pilot drill.>>>> I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!>>>> My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For sparsI will seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, anddoug fir.>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>> >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>> >I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>> >and possibly the ailerons.>> >I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>> >cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>> >I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>> >CG better for me.>> >Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>> >>> >>> >Thanks...>> >>> >Greg Yotz>> >>> >>> >>>>> http://www.mailexcite.com>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________
--I don't really remember what i paid for hemlock, but it seems that it was about1/3 the price of a/c spruce, and about the same as doug fir.I'm the last guy who should critisize the use of d/f however. It has been usedsuccessfully in lots of airplanes.from my reading, it has been said that this wood (d/f) does shatter rather easily.in my work with 1/4 by 1/4 capstrip i found that to be true.My problem with fir was splits along the grain between the red and white grainlines.Also it chipped easily.I then switched to hand selected stright grain (western)hemlock, and was very satisfyedwith the result.later, just to see what a/c sitka spruce was like, i purchased some vary fine boatgrade sitka spruce. it was a very nice wood, and but for price i would usethat. W. hemlock was very close in bending strength, and cutting quality to thespruce, so i used that.lastly, from my reading, w. hemlock is only 10% heavier than spruce, while havingequal or slightly greater strength.no more than 1:15 grain slopeno pitch or bark pocketsno swirrlsonly tiny nots...i say no knotsNO...fine white lines across grain !!and lastly, 1/4 sawn + or minus 45degrees, with no less than 6 annular rings perinch.A very good book to read is EAA aircraft building techniques in wood. or somethinglike that.oil can bobOn Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:19:22 Greg Yotz wrote:>What did you pay for you Hemlock???? What parts did you find DF unsatisfactoryfor?>>Greg Yotz...>>oil can wrote:>>> --Oil Can here,...wading through 198 e-mails.>>>> About doug fir. When I started my "ace", I started out with fir, but soon foundthat it split really easy. I then bought some beautifull stright grain hemlock,and found that wood to be most satisfactory.. My 1/4 by 1/4 cap stripscut and bent with no splits, and gussets nailed down just fine with the use ofa #65 pilot drill.>>>> I later bought some very fine boat grade spruce for use as compression struts,and found spruce to be an excellent material. Just dammed expensive!>>>> My ribs are now finished, and am working on setting up a wing jig. For sparsI will seriously consider 3 woods -- boat grade spruce, western hemlock, anddoug fir.>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:07 Greg Yotz wrote:>> >Has anyone used Douglas Fur in a Piet???>> >I was looking at using it for the vertical and horizontal stabilizers>> >and possibly the ailerons.>> >I have found some very good building quality d/f at less than half the>> >cost of spruce. (hard wood flooring)>> >I know it is heavier but with my choice of engine it will actually make>> >CG better for me.>> >Anyway if anyone has comments please respond..>> >>> >>> >Thanks...>> >>> >Greg Yotz>> >>> >>> >>>>> http://www.mailexcite.com>>http://www.mailexcite.com________________________________________________________________________________