Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
I still have an extra ELT if anyone want one.=A0 It is the Narco 10 a=nd has abattery good till sometime in 2000.=A0 First $110 gets it, shipping i=ncluded.=A0Stevee-----Original Message-----f MichaelD CuySent: Monday, November 16, 1998 6:40 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500=46rom: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked thisquestion. Guess what ??You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on aPietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply foran N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and canbe used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designsOVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but Iprinted it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came outto inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now heis. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back theywill not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as youuse this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.I'll look up the FAR if you remind me.I didn't know an ELT was a>requirment. Where did you locate the ELT and where did you get it. H=ow>much did that cost? jasThe ELT is only required once you aredoneflying off yourrestrictions and go outside the flight test area designated by the FA=A.I haven't actually purchased an ELT yet.....I'm hoping Santa willbring one....________________________________________________________________________________
I still have an extra ELT if anyone want one.=A0 It is the Narco 10 a=nd has abattery good till sometime in 2000.=A0 First $110 gets it, shipping i=ncluded.=A0Stevee-----Original Message-----f MichaelD CuySent: Monday, November 16, 1998 6:40 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500=46rom: Michael D Cuy Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked thisquestion. Guess what ??You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on aPietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply foran N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and canbe used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designsOVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but Iprinted it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came outto inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now heis. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back theywill not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as youuse this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.I'll look up the FAR if you remind me.I didn't know an ELT was a>requirment. Where did you locate the ELT and where did you get it. H=ow>much did that cost? jasThe ELT is only required once you aredoneflying off yourrestrictions and go outside the flight test area designated by the FA=A.I haven't actually purchased an ELT yet.....I'm hoping Santa willbring one....________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By:> Michael D Cuy
Most ELT's are relatively inexpensive at $150-$300 USD. Check outhttp://www.seaerospace.com/eltenc.htm for the Ameri-King prices.Having vomunteered with CASARA (Civilian Air Search And RescueAssociation) I can tell you that the difference between finding someonewith an ELT and without can be DAYS! Accidents occurring where ELT's havegone off are usually located within 2 hours. A lot of airline pilots,especially here in Canada, tune one of thier radios to 121.5 when flyingoutside of the major centers (especially pilots flying up north). Evenwith a standard com radio it is possible to find an ELT signal. When youfirst hear the signal, continue flying in a strait line. THe signal shouldget louder. Keep turning down the radio until it's just audible. When thesignal starts getting weaker, turn 90 degrees left or right. If the signalcontinues dropping, turn 180 degrees. Continue on this course until thesignal starts to drop off. You should now be within a mile or two of theELT. We've actually practiced this with an ELT generator (on a frequencyother than 121.5) and ended up about .5 miles from the plane.We also use special direction finders that can get us even closer.KenOn Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >>>> > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500> > To: jim-sury(at)hlp.com>
Most ELT's are relatively inexpensive at $150-$300 USD. Check outhttp://www.seaerospace.com/eltenc.htm for the Ameri-King prices.Having vomunteered with CASARA (Civilian Air Search And RescueAssociation) I can tell you that the difference between finding someonewith an ELT and without can be DAYS! Accidents occurring where ELT's havegone off are usually located within 2 hours. A lot of airline pilots,especially here in Canada, tune one of thier radios to 121.5 when flyingoutside of the major centers (especially pilots flying up north). Evenwith a standard com radio it is possible to find an ELT signal. When youfirst hear the signal, continue flying in a strait line. THe signal shouldget louder. Keep turning down the radio until it's just audible. When thesignal starts getting weaker, turn 90 degrees left or right. If the signalcontinues dropping, turn 180 degrees. Continue on this course until thesignal starts to drop off. You should now be within a mile or two of theELT. We've actually practiced this with an ELT generator (on a frequencyother than 121.5) and ended up about .5 miles from the plane.We also use special direction finders that can get us even closer.KenOn Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >>>> > > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500> > To: jim-sury(at)hlp.com>
> Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
Hi Steveeif ELT is still available, please e-mail me an address where= tosend the check.thnxJoeC>I still have an extra ELT if anyone want one.=A0 It is the Narco 10 and has= a>battery good till sometime in 2000.=A0 First $110 gets it, shipping= included.>=A0>Stevee>>-----Original Message----- Michael>D Cuy>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 6:40 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>>>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500>To: jim-sury(at)hlp.com>From: Michael D Cuy >Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>In-Reply-To: >>>>>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.>>JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this>question. Guess what ??>You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a>Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for>an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.>The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can>be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs>OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I>printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out>to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he>is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they>will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you>use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.>I'll look up the FAR if you remind me.>>I didn't know an ELT was a>>requirment. Where did you locate the ELT and where did you get it. How>>much did that cost? jas>The ELT is only required once you are done>flying off your>restrictions and go outside the flight test area designated by the FAA.>I haven't actually purchased an ELT yet.....I'm hoping Santa will>bring one....>>________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Steveeif ELT is still available, please e-mail me an address where= tosend the check.thnxJoeC>I still have an extra ELT if anyone want one.=A0 It is the Narco 10 and has= a>battery good till sometime in 2000.=A0 First $110 gets it, shipping= included.>=A0>Stevee>>-----Original Message----- Michael>D Cuy>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 6:40 AM>To: Pietenpol Discussion>Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>>>>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:39:48 -0500>To: jim-sury(at)hlp.com>From: Michael D Cuy >Subject: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft>In-Reply-To: >>>>>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.>>JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this>question. Guess what ??>You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a>Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for>an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.>The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can>be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs>OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I>printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out>to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he>is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they>will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you>use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.>I'll look up the FAR if you remind me.>>I didn't know an ELT was a>>requirment. Where did you locate the ELT and where did you get it. How>>much did that cost? jas>The ELT is only required once you are done>flying off your>restrictions and go outside the flight test area designated by the FAA.>I haven't actually purchased an ELT yet.....I'm hoping Santa will>bring one....>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: James Nichols
Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see afamous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was thefirst solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I neverrealized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.JoeCA>>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.>>JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this question. Guess what ??>You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a >Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for>an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.>The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can>be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs>OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I >printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out>to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he>is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they>will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you>use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.>I'll look up the FAR if you remind me. >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see afamous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was thefirst solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I neverrealized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.JoeCA>>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.>>JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this question. Guess what ??>You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a >Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for>an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.>The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can>be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs>OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I >printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out>to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he>is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they>will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you>use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.>I'll look up the FAR if you remind me. >> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Joe, concerning the X in tail N. you can call E.A.A. and they'll sendyou all the fars' on it, more stuff than a inspector wants to look at...---fishin wrote:>> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, Isee a> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself,"was the> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" Inever> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.> JoeC> > > A> >>> >> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the> >>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.> >> >JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this question. Guess what ??> >You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a > >Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for> >an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.> >The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can> >be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs> >OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I > >printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out> >to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he> >is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they> >will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you> >use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.> >I'll look up the FAR if you remind me. > >> > > >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Joe, concerning the X in tail N. you can call E.A.A. and they'll sendyou all the fars' on it, more stuff than a inspector wants to look at...---fishin wrote:>> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, Isee a> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself,"was the> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" Inever> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.> JoeC> > > A> >>> >> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the> >>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.> >> >JIM !!!!! Boy am I Glad you asked this question. Guess what ??> >You don't need the EXPERIMENTAL sign ANYWHERE on a > >Pietenpol. How do you get around this ?? When you apply for> >an N number registration apply for and use NX........ not just N.> >The X designates that your aircraft is in fact experimental and can> >be used in lieu of the bumper sticker thing for experimental designs> >OVER 30 years old. I can't quote you the FAR on this but I > >printed it out and had it on hand for the FAA guy when he came out> >to inspect my plane. He was not aware of this loophole but now he> >is. Please note that when you get your FAA paperwork back they> >will not show the NX only the N, but don't worry...as long as you> >use this on the aircraft and all your paperwork you will be fine.> >I'll look up the FAR if you remind me. > >> > > >> >> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: Eli or Robert or Teresa Bozeman
I'd sure like to get a copy of that F.A.R. if you can locate it. Otherwise,I'll just have to dive into the F.A.R.s myself. I like this one!Thanx!Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
I'd sure like to get a copy of that F.A.R. if you can locate it. Otherwise,I'll just have to dive into the F.A.R.s myself. I like this one!Thanx!Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
>Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I seea famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "wasthe>first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never>realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.>JoeCJoe- You know what's funnier than that ? The Spirit of St. Louis NOlonger carries that NX211 registration number. You know who has it ?EAA- for thier replica ! Try an N-number search sometime on the web.>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.Joe- If you use NX you don't need the words experimentalanywhereon your plane. All you need are the 2" high N-numbers. Of courseyou could always do the big block N-numbers on the wings likeSky Gypsy, etc. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
>Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I seea famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "wasthe>first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never>realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.>JoeCJoe- You know what's funnier than that ? The Spirit of St. Louis NOlonger carries that NX211 registration number. You know who has it ?EAA- for thier replica ! Try an N-number search sometime on the web.>>> Mike I was reading this and was wondering where did you put the>>>experimental sign in 2 inch letters min.Joe- If you use NX you don't need the words experimentalanywhereon your plane. All you need are the 2" high N-numbers. Of courseyou could always do the big block N-numbers on the wings likeSky Gypsy, etc. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Mike===were you ever able to relocate that FAR that details the "NX" usage???by the way, you mentioning Sky Gypsy, if you remember the picture of her inthe Aug 97 Kit Planes,,,well that's a big clue to my Piet trivia quiz.>JoeC>Joe- You know what's funnier than that ? The Spirit of St. Louis NO>longer carries that NX211 registration number. You know who has it ?>EAA- for thier replica ! Try an N-number search sometime on the web.>>>>>>Joe- If you use NX you don't need the words experimental anywhere>on your plane. All you need are the 2" high N-numbers. Of course>you could always do the big block N-numbers on the wings like>Sky Gypsy, etc. >>Mike C. >________________________________________________________________________________
Mike===were you ever able to relocate that FAR that details the "NX" usage???by the way, you mentioning Sky Gypsy, if you remember the picture of her inthe Aug 97 Kit Planes,,,well that's a big clue to my Piet trivia quiz.>JoeC>Joe- You know what's funnier than that ? The Spirit of St. Louis NO>longer carries that NX211 registration number. You know who has it ?>EAA- for thier replica ! Try an N-number search sometime on the web.>>>>>>Joe- If you use NX you don't need the words experimental anywhere>on your plane. All you need are the 2" high N-numbers. Of course>you could always do the big block N-numbers on the wings like>Sky Gypsy, etc. >>Mike C. >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: David Scott
I think many if not most "firsts" belong to experimental aircraft.Obviously the Wright Bros. were flying an experimental plane evenif they didn't bother to give it an N-number! And don't forget thatthe biggest airplane ever built carried an experimental registrationwhen it flew (the Spruce Goose, NX37602.)fishin wrote:> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see a> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was the> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.> JoeC--Alan Davenport gandalf at goldcom dot comEverybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.________________________________________________________________________________
I think many if not most "firsts" belong to experimental aircraft.Obviously the Wright Bros. were flying an experimental plane evenif they didn't bother to give it an N-number! And don't forget thatthe biggest airplane ever built carried an experimental registrationwhen it flew (the Spruce Goose, NX37602.)fishin wrote:> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see a> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was the> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.> JoeC--Alan Davenport gandalf at goldcom dot comEverybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Frequently Asked Questions about Home-built Aircraft
Original Posted By: The Endicotts
Granted that many of the firsts belong to experimental aircraft as a firsttime build, but what threw me was the Ryan Aircraft Company was already inexistence building aircraft when that special order came through for one oftheir models equiped with long range tanks. Or maybe I'm just missing partof the story somewhere???JoeC>I think many if not most "firsts" belong to experimental aircraft.>Obviously the Wright Bros. were flying an experimental plane even>if they didn't bother to give it an N-number! And don't forget that>the biggest airplane ever built carried an experimental registration>when it flew (the Spruce Goose, NX37602.)>>fishin wrote:>>> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see a>> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was the>> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never>> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.>> JoeC>>-->Alan Davenport gandalf at goldcom dot com>Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Granted that many of the firsts belong to experimental aircraft as a firsttime build, but what threw me was the Ryan Aircraft Company was already inexistence building aircraft when that special order came through for one oftheir models equiped with long range tanks. Or maybe I'm just missing partof the story somewhere???JoeC>I think many if not most "firsts" belong to experimental aircraft.>Obviously the Wright Bros. were flying an experimental plane even>if they didn't bother to give it an N-number! And don't forget that>the biggest airplane ever built carried an experimental registration>when it flew (the Spruce Goose, NX37602.)>>fishin wrote:>>> Funny thing=====while browsing thru an article on the Smithsonian, I see a>> famous aircraft with the markings "NX211" on it and I ask myself, "was the>> first solo Atlantic crossing done by an experimental aircraft?" I never>> realized that before.of course It's the Spirit of St Louis I refer to.>> JoeC>>-->Alan Davenport gandalf at goldcom dot com>Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.>>________________________________________________________________________________
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