Original Posted By: Aron(at)hrn.bradley.edu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true PietenpolI feel>using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design.Have you>looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of theModel>"A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't knowwhere any>sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition ratherthan a>basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the sourcetheir.>>I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody havea>sound track on the web someplace?>>Gordon>>Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:>>> I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson>> the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that theyproduce>> their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit>> would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reducesreliability.>> The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designedit>> that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. Itrust>> his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.>> This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the propdoesen't>> even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no>> need for the PSRU.>>>> Chuck Gantzer>> Wichita KS>>>> "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actualflying>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Four cylinder Honda engine
Pietenpol-List: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: JRoss10612(at)aol.com
Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My father-in-lawhas one available and was thinking about the possibilities of puttingone in an Air Camper. Any comments are welcome.Thanks,Brent ReedKent, WADoes anyone know about Honda enginesforaircraft use? My father-in-law has one available and was thinkingaboutthe possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any commentsarewelcome.Thanks,Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My father-in-lawhas one available and was thinking about the possibilities of puttingone in an Air Camper. Any comments are welcome.Thanks,Brent ReedKent, WADoes anyone know about Honda enginesforaircraft use? My father-in-law has one available and was thinkingaboutthe possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any commentsarewelcome.Thanks,Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Peter P Frantz
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>Hi Brent>>Don't know anything about Honda engine in aircraft but you may want to>go to the Other Engine power group list as they talk about just>averything for power. Right now their is a heavy discussion on about>Corvairs.>>Send me message and I'll get the page info to you.>>I am getting close to ordering my plans and still have not decided on>what engine. I hope I can just start building Pietenpol and decide on>engine later. I like the Model "A" for tradition but the Corvair gives>much more power. Thought about a New Evolution harley engine also, the>ones that don't leak oil, and now they have a brand new Overhead Valve>engine but both of them are real expensive to buy, like 3000.00 where>they say you can still get rebuildable corvair engines for 100 bucks and>their are alot of parts sources.>>Gordon>>Brent Reed wrote:>>> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My>> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the>> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are>> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>Hi Brent>>Don't know anything about Honda engine in aircraft but you may want to>go to the Other Engine power group list as they talk about just>averything for power. Right now their is a heavy discussion on about>Corvairs.>>Send me message and I'll get the page info to you.>>I am getting close to ordering my plans and still have not decided on>what engine. I hope I can just start building Pietenpol and decide on>engine later. I like the Model "A" for tradition but the Corvair gives>much more power. Thought about a New Evolution harley engine also, the>ones that don't leak oil, and now they have a brand new Overhead Valve>engine but both of them are real expensive to buy, like 3000.00 where>they say you can still get rebuildable corvair engines for 100 bucks and>their are alot of parts sources.>>Gordon>>Brent Reed wrote:>>> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My>> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the>> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are>> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson>the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce>their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit>would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.>The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it>that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust>his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.>This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the propdoesen't>even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no>need for the PSRU.>>Chuck Gantzer>Wichita KS>>"One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actualflying>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson>the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce>their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit>would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.>The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it>that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust>his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.>This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the propdoesen't>even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no>need for the PSRU.>>Chuck Gantzer>Wichita KS>>"One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actualflying>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Hi BrentDon't know anything about Honda engine in aircraft but you may want togo to the Other Engine power group list as they talk about justaverything for power. Right now their is a heavy discussion on aboutCorvairs.Send me message and I'll get the page info to you.I am getting close to ordering my plans and still have not decided onwhat engine. I hope I can just start building Pietenpol and decide onengine later. I like the Model "A" for tradition but the Corvair givesmuch more power. Thought about a New Evolution harley engine also, theones that don't leak oil, and now they have a brand new Overhead Valveengine but both of them are real expensive to buy, like 3000.00 wherethey say you can still get rebuildable corvair engines for 100 bucks andtheir are alot of parts sources.GordonBrent Reed wrote:> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
Hi BrentDon't know anything about Honda engine in aircraft but you may want togo to the Other Engine power group list as they talk about justaverything for power. Right now their is a heavy discussion on aboutCorvairs.Send me message and I'll get the page info to you.I am getting close to ordering my plans and still have not decided onwhat engine. I hope I can just start building Pietenpol and decide onengine later. I like the Model "A" for tradition but the Corvair givesmuch more power. Thought about a New Evolution harley engine also, theones that don't leak oil, and now they have a brand new Overhead Valveengine but both of them are real expensive to buy, like 3000.00 wherethey say you can still get rebuildable corvair engines for 100 bucks andtheir are alot of parts sources.GordonBrent Reed wrote:> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines onthe planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they producetheir horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unitwould be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed itthat way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trusthis research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen'teven unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, noneed for the PSRU. Chuck GantzerWichita KS"One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying________________________________________________________________________________
I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines onthe planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they producetheir horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unitwould be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed itthat way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trusthis research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen'teven unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, noneed for the PSRU. Chuck GantzerWichita KS"One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
The most sensible thing I have heard in some time.Here! Here!-----Original Message-----
The most sensible thing I have heard in some time.Here! Here!-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol I feelusing the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Have youlooked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model"A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know where anysources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather thanabasket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have asound track on the web someplace?GordonRcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines on> the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, no> need for the PSRU.>> Chuck Gantzer> Wichita KS>> "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying________________________________________________________________________________
With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol I feelusing the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Have youlooked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model"A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know where anysources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather thanabasket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have asound track on the web someplace?GordonRcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines on> the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, no> need for the PSRU.>> Chuck Gantzer> Wichita KS>> "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
Gordon: A trip to Brodhead is better than a recording. One thing I noticedas a passenger in a Ford Piet vs A continental is that the exhaust sound onthe continental changed as I turned my head but the ford being all on oneside didn't. Small thing but I think the Fords soud better.J Mc-----Original Message-----
Gordon: A trip to Brodhead is better than a recording. One thing I noticedas a passenger in a Ford Piet vs A continental is that the exhaust sound onthe continental changed as I turned my head but the ford being all on oneside didn't. Small thing but I think the Fords soud better.J Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By:> Gordon Brimhall
I think a trip to Brodhead would be really fun, I may not be done with my Pietby July 2000 so we may just take our truck & camper, pull our motorcycle andspend a month back during the EAA, we have friends in the Milwaukee area we canvisit and stay with if we want also.GordonJohn McNarry wrote:> Gordon: A trip to Brodhead is better than a recording. One thing I noticed> as a passenger in a Ford Piet vs A continental is that the exhaust sound on> the continental changed as I turned my head but the ford being all on one> side didn't. Small thing but I think the Fords soud better.> J Mc>> -----Original Message-----
I think a trip to Brodhead would be really fun, I may not be done with my Pietby July 2000 so we may just take our truck & camper, pull our motorcycle andspend a month back during the EAA, we have friends in the Milwaukee area we canvisit and stay with if we want also.GordonJohn McNarry wrote:> Gordon: A trip to Brodhead is better than a recording. One thing I noticed> as a passenger in a Ford Piet vs A continental is that the exhaust sound on> the continental changed as I turned my head but the ford being all on one> side didn't. Small thing but I think the Fords soud better.> J Mc>> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sitting foralong time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.Itcame from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith aPTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.Thehead is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engine isalittle unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. The frontandrear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the second foracompressor for the hangar!Gordon Brimhall wrote:> With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol Ifeel> using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Haveyou> looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model> "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather thana> basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.>> I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have a> sound track on the web someplace?>> Gordon>> Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:>> > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines on> > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, no> > need for the PSRU.> >> > Chuck Gantzer> > Wichita KS> >> > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sitting foralong time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.Itcame from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith aPTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.Thehead is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engine isalittle unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. The frontandrear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the second foracompressor for the hangar!Gordon Brimhall wrote:> With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol Ifeel> using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Haveyou> looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model> "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather thana> basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.>> I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have a> sound track on the web someplace?>> Gordon>> Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:>> > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines on> > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient, no> > need for the PSRU.> >> > Chuck Gantzer> > Wichita KS> >> > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
No DavidUse the second engine for your piet as you will have two cylinders to fly the planeand abuilt in air compressor to pump up your tires if you get a flat.:-)Where did you find such a deal already?Gordon (Saving for Plans)"David B. Schober" wrote:> I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sittingfor a> long time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.It> came from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith a> PTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.The> head is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engineis a> little unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. The frontand> rear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.>> I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the second fora> compressor for the hangar!>> Gordon Brimhall wrote:>> > With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true PietenpolI feel> > using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Haveyou> > looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model> > "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> > sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition ratherthan a> > basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.> >> > I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody havea> > sound track on the web someplace?> >> > Gordon> >> > Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> >> > > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson> > > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> > > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no> > > need for the PSRU.> > >> > > Chuck Gantzer> > > Wichita KS> > >> > > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying>> -->> David B.Schober, CPE> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> Fairmont State College> National Aerospace Education Center> Rt. 3 Box 13> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> (304) 842-8300>________________________________________________________________________________
No DavidUse the second engine for your piet as you will have two cylinders to fly the planeand abuilt in air compressor to pump up your tires if you get a flat.:-)Where did you find such a deal already?Gordon (Saving for Plans)"David B. Schober" wrote:> I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sittingfor a> long time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.It> came from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith a> PTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.The> head is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engineis a> little unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. The frontand> rear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.>> I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the second fora> compressor for the hangar!>> Gordon Brimhall wrote:>> > With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true PietenpolI feel> > using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design. Haveyou> > looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the Model> > "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> > sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition ratherthan a> > basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.> >> > I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody havea> > sound track on the web someplace?> >> > Gordon> >> > Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> >> > > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson> > > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed it> > > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no> > > need for the PSRU.> > >> > > Chuck Gantzer> > > Wichita KS> > >> > > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual flying>> -->> David B.Schober, CPE> Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> Fairmont State College> National Aerospace Education Center> Rt. 3 Box 13> Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> (304) 842-8300>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Just keep your ear to the ground. I got the engines through a friend that knewthey werelaying out in a field. He even picked them up and delivered them for me! They wereoutsideElkins, WV but I know of several Model A's just decaying in several other states.I'm hopingto pick up a AA flat bed truck in the near future. Price is $500 and it runs!Gordon Brimhall wrote:> No David>> Use the second engine for your piet as you will have two cylinders to fly theplane and a> built in air compressor to pump up your tires if you get a flat.
>> Where did you find such a deal already?>> Gordon (Saving for Plans)>> "David B. Schober" wrote:>> > I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sittingfor a> > long time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.It> > came from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith a> > PTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.The> > head is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engineis a> > little unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. Thefront and> > rear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.> >> > I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the secondfor a> > compressor for the hangar!> >> > Gordon Brimhall wrote:> >> > > With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true PietenpolI feel> > > using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design.Have you> > > looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of theModel> > > "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> > > sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition ratherthan a> > > basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.> > >> > > I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody havea> > > sound track on the web someplace?> > >> > > Gordon> > >> > > Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> > >> > > > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson> > > > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > > > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > > > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > > > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designedit> > > > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > > > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > > > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > > > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no> > > > need for the PSRU.> > > >> > > > Chuck Gantzer> > > > Wichita KS> > > >> > > > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actualflying> >> > --> >> > David B.Schober, CPE> > Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> > Fairmont State College> > National Aerospace Education Center> > Rt. 3 Box 13> > Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> > (304) 842-8300> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Just keep your ear to the ground. I got the engines through a friend that knewthey werelaying out in a field. He even picked them up and delivered them for me! They wereoutsideElkins, WV but I know of several Model A's just decaying in several other states.I'm hopingto pick up a AA flat bed truck in the near future. Price is $500 and it runs!Gordon Brimhall wrote:> No David>> Use the second engine for your piet as you will have two cylinders to fly theplane and a> built in air compressor to pump up your tires if you get a flat.
>> Where did you find such a deal already?>> Gordon (Saving for Plans)>> "David B. Schober" wrote:>> > I just got 2 Model A engines for $100. The first is one that has been sittingfor a> > long time. I started to take it apart but I'm having trouble with the flywheel.It> > came from an AA since the transmision has a PTO. (Anyone interested in a trannywith a> > PTO?). This engine is locked up so I don't know what I'll find once it's open.The> > head is also cracked but I plan on using an aluminum head. The second engineis a> > little unique in that it was converted to be used as an air compressor. Thefront and> > rear cylinders run the engine and the 2 center cylinders pump air.> >> > I hope I can build up the first one for a Piet and then restore the secondfor a> > compressor for the hangar!> >> > Gordon Brimhall wrote:> >> > > With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true PietenpolI feel> > > using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design.Have you> > > looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of theModel> > > "A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know whereany> > > sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition ratherthan a> > > basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source their.> > >> > > I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody havea> > > sound track on the web someplace?> > >> > > Gordon> > >> > > Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> > >> > > > I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engineson> > > > the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they produce> > > > their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> > > > would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces reliability.> > > > The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designedit> > > > that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I trust> > > > his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> > > > This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop doesen't> > > > even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,no> > > > need for the PSRU.> > > >> > > > Chuck Gantzer> > > > Wichita KS> > > >> > > > "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actualflying> >> > --> >> > David B.Schober, CPE> > Instructor, Aviation Maintenance> > Fairmont State College> > National Aerospace Education Center> > Rt. 3 Box 13> > Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503> > (304) 842-8300> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Brent Reed wrote:> > Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome.Besides all the usual problems with a high revving water cooled motormany of the Honda 4 cylinder engines turn in the oppisite direction.Just another gotcha to think about...KtM________________________________________________________________________________
Brent Reed wrote:> > Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome.Besides all the usual problems with a high revving water cooled motormany of the Honda 4 cylinder engines turn in the oppisite direction.Just another gotcha to think about...KtM________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: Gordon Brimhall
I purchased the corvair for $300. Sold off the car parts for $200. andtherefore got my engine for $100. Try contacting Corvair clubs in your area.If you don't know of any contact Clark's Corvair Parts they can probablydirect you to the nearest one in your area. They also have them for salefromtime to time. Stan Van Der plouge has a subaro for sale for $350. Canadian.A real good deal for US currency right now and a great engine for the Pietwith a re-drive.He can be located at: P.O. General Delivery, Grand Valley, Ontario L0N 1G0.Dom. Bellissimo-----Original Message-----
I purchased the corvair for $300. Sold off the car parts for $200. andtherefore got my engine for $100. Try contacting Corvair clubs in your area.If you don't know of any contact Clark's Corvair Parts they can probablydirect you to the nearest one in your area. They also have them for salefromtime to time. Stan Van Der plouge has a subaro for sale for $350. Canadian.A real good deal for US currency right now and a great engine for the Pietwith a re-drive.He can be located at: P.O. General Delivery, Grand Valley, Ontario L0N 1G0.Dom. Bellissimo-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: William Conway
Here's the URL for Firewall Forward Aero Engines Inc.They make the CAM 100 conversion (Honda Civic engine)http://www.aero-engines.bc.ca/Brent Reed wrote:> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA--"Yes, the president should resign... He is no longeran effective leader... the only possible solution isfor the president to save some dignity and resign."Here's the URL for Firewall Forward Aero Engines Inc.They make the CAM 100 conversion (Honda Civic engine)http://www.aero-engines.bc.ca/Brent Reed wrote:Does anyoneknow about Honda engines for aircraft use? My father-in-law has oneavailable and was thinking about the possibilities of putting one in anAir Camper. Any comments are welcome.Thanks,BrentReedKent, WA--Alan Davenportgandalf at goldcom dot com"Yes, the president should resign... He is no longeran effective leader... the only possible solution isfor the president to save some dignity and resign."-William Jefferson Clinton, 1974________________________________________________________________________________
Here's the URL for Firewall Forward Aero Engines Inc.They make the CAM 100 conversion (Honda Civic engine)http://www.aero-engines.bc.ca/Brent Reed wrote:> Does anyone know about Honda engines for aircraft use? My> father-in-law has one available and was thinking about the> possibilities of putting one in an Air Camper. Any comments are> welcome. Thanks, Brent ReedKent, WA--"Yes, the president should resign... He is no longeran effective leader... the only possible solution isfor the president to save some dignity and resign."Here's the URL for Firewall Forward Aero Engines Inc.They make the CAM 100 conversion (Honda Civic engine)http://www.aero-engines.bc.ca/Brent Reed wrote:Does anyoneknow about Honda engines for aircraft use? My father-in-law has oneavailable and was thinking about the possibilities of putting one in anAir Camper. Any comments are welcome.Thanks,BrentReedKent, WA--Alan Davenportgandalf at goldcom dot com"Yes, the president should resign... He is no longeran effective leader... the only possible solution isfor the president to save some dignity and resign."-William Jefferson Clinton, 1974________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Four cylinder Honda engine
Original Posted By: JRoss10612(at)aol.com
> Subject: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>> >With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol> I feel> >using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design.> Have you> >looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the> Model> >"A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know> where any> >sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather> than a> >basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source> their.> >> >I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have> a> >sound track on the web someplace?> >> >Gordon> >> >Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> >> >> I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines> on> >> the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they> produce> >> their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> >> would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces> reliability.> >> The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed> it> >> that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I> trust> >> his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> >> This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop> doesen't> >> even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,> no> >> need for the PSRU.> >>> >> Chuck Gantzer> >> Wichita KS> >>> >> "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual> flying> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Four cylinder Honda engine>> >With the two choices of either Mpdel "A" or Corvair to be a true Pietenpol> I feel> >using the Model "A" Engine just for what you just said. A simple design.> Have you> >looked around for availability of the Ford engine? I have been out of the> Model> >"A" Loop for 8 years now so other than Hemmings Motor News I don't know> where any> >sources are. It would be nice to find an engine in running condition rather> than a> >basket case. I did find the Model "A" Web site so I may find the source> their.> >> >I would just love to hear a Pietenpol W/Mdl "A" engine Fly-By. Anybody have> a> >sound track on the web someplace?> >> >Gordon> >> >Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:> >> >> I think Honda engines are among the most reliable, and dependable engines> on> >> the planet. The problem with all of those Jap engines is that they> produce> >> their horsepower up high in the RPM range, so a prop speed reduction unit> >> would be required, which adds complexity, expense, and reduces> reliability.> >> The beauty of the Pietenpol is it's simplicity. Mr. Pietenpol designed> it> >> that way to keep it within reach of a majority of the population. I> trust> >> his research, and plan on using the Ford Model A engine in my Air Camper.> >> This engine, with its long stroke, has so much torque that the prop> doesen't> >> even unload when airborne !! Also, the low RPM keeps the prop efficient,> no> >> need for the PSRU.> >>> >> Chuck Gantzer> >> Wichita KS> >>> >> "One can get proper insight into the practice of flying, only by actual> flying> >> >________________________________________________________________________________