Original Posted By: Rob Hart
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES>Stay obsessed Richard. The information is great, useful & inspirational.>Besides, I have no requirement that my sources be completely sane...{; )>Warren>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Anyone know of anyplace (still in someone's head maybe?) where I canget or build a checklist of things to look for in a Ford engine?(photos/images of "good" engines and "bad" engines would be cool, too=)I am going to my father-in-law's friend's house tomorrow afternoon,who has a couple of them, and I want to make sure I know what to lookfor, and what to watch out for.I scraped just about every inch of Grant's site, and couldnt find muc=hthere in the way of an "Idiot's Guide to Ford Engines". :)I indend to put the checklist (and any corresponding images) on myWebsite for others to use as well.Richardp.s. if anyone is wondering why I am so obsessed with putting so muchinformation on my site, it's because when I started gatheringinformation for the Piet, I couldnt find SQUAT and nearly gave uplooking and quit the whole thing. I want to gather as much informatio=nin one place as possible so that new builders and potential builderswon't get discouraged to find no help or information out there.Besides, I'm just a little obsessed with airplanes to begin with...---Earl Myers wrote:>> RICHARD;> READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUP FROM JOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD"A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETSTHAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD " A" FACTORY CAMS WERENOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR TOLERANCE CAUSING AWIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENT ME A LONG STORYSOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TO KNOWWHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!>> ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN "A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. B=YTHIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM, BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES,PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELL INSERT BEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARELOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITH THIS SET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MYSCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A (FUTURE) '33 AIRCAMPER EITHE=RBUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACING VERSIONS CAN GET110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOW TURNING=PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THAT SOUND ISHARD TO FORGET !> EARL MYERS>ype>RICHARD;=A0 READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE G=ROUP=46ROMJOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD "A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF=SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETS THAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD"A" FACTORY CAMS WERE NOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR=TOLERANCE CAUSING A WIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENTME A LONGSTORY SOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TOKNOW WHAT HEIS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!=A0=A0 ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO= HAVE AN"A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BY THIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM,BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES, PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELLINSERTBEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARE LOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITHTHISSET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MY SCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A(FUTURE) '33AIRCAMPER EITHER BUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACINGVERSIONS CANGET 110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM.=A0=A0=A0 A SLOW=TURNING=A0 PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THATSOUNDIS HARD TO FORGET !EARL MYERS=A0=http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... __________
Anyone know of anyplace (still in someone's head maybe?) where I canget or build a checklist of things to look for in a Ford engine?(photos/images of "good" engines and "bad" engines would be cool, too=)I am going to my father-in-law's friend's house tomorrow afternoon,who has a couple of them, and I want to make sure I know what to lookfor, and what to watch out for.I scraped just about every inch of Grant's site, and couldnt find muc=hthere in the way of an "Idiot's Guide to Ford Engines". :)I indend to put the checklist (and any corresponding images) on myWebsite for others to use as well.Richardp.s. if anyone is wondering why I am so obsessed with putting so muchinformation on my site, it's because when I started gatheringinformation for the Piet, I couldnt find SQUAT and nearly gave uplooking and quit the whole thing. I want to gather as much informatio=nin one place as possible so that new builders and potential builderswon't get discouraged to find no help or information out there.Besides, I'm just a little obsessed with airplanes to begin with...---Earl Myers wrote:>> RICHARD;> READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUP FROM JOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD"A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETSTHAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD " A" FACTORY CAMS WERENOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR TOLERANCE CAUSING AWIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENT ME A LONG STORYSOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TO KNOWWHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!>> ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN "A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. B=YTHIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM, BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES,PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELL INSERT BEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARELOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITH THIS SET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MYSCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A (FUTURE) '33 AIRCAMPER EITHE=RBUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACING VERSIONS CAN GET110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOW TURNING=PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THAT SOUND ISHARD TO FORGET !> EARL MYERS>ype>RICHARD;=A0 READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE G=ROUP=46ROMJOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD "A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF=SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETS THAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD"A" FACTORY CAMS WERE NOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR=TOLERANCE CAUSING A WIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENTME A LONGSTORY SOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TOKNOW WHAT HEIS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!=A0=A0 ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO= HAVE AN"A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BY THIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM,BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES, PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELLINSERTBEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARE LOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITHTHISSET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MY SCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A(FUTURE) '33AIRCAMPER EITHER BUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACINGVERSIONS CANGET 110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM.=A0=A0=A0 A SLOW=TURNING=A0 PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THATSOUNDIS HARD TO FORGET !EARL MYERS=A0=http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Original Posted By: Brent Reed
Stay obsessed Richard. The information is great, useful & inspirational.Besides, I have no requirement that my sources be completely sane...{; )Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Stay obsessed Richard. The information is great, useful & inspirational.Besides, I have no requirement that my sources be completely sane...{; )Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
This reminds me of the story of the king that decided to have a foot racefor his whole kingdom. He laid out the course and the people gathered forthe race. Many made a quick start and finished long before others, but thelast one to complete the race finished long after all the others. This lastwas ushered before the king and asked why it took him so long to pass. Thetraveler told the king that he might have finished much sooner but he cameupon a large pile of debris in the middle of the road and stopped to clearthe path. Many passed by as he did this work. At the under it all was agreat sack of gold pieces. He had brought it along to give to the king thatit might be returned to the owner. At this the king said it belonged tohim. He had placed the obstacle, and the treasure, there. He who travelsthe journey best makes the path easier for those who follow.Thank you, Richard. May well all follow your example in all we do.Brent ReedKent, WaRichardp.s. if anyone is wondering why I am so obsessed with putting so muchinformation on my site, it's because when I started gatheringinformation for the Piet, I couldnt find SQUAT and nearly gave uplooking and quit the whole thing. I want to gather as much informationin one place as possible so that new builders and potential builderswon't get discouraged to find no help or information out there.Besides, I'm just a little obsessed with airplanes to begin with...---Earl Myers wrote:>> RICHARD;> READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUP FROM JOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD"A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETSTHAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD " A" FACTORY CAMS WERENOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR TOLERANCE CAUSING AWIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENT ME A LONG STORYSOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TO KNOWWHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!>> ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN "A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BYTHIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM, BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES,PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELL INSERT BEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARELOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITH THIS SET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MYSCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A (FUTURE) '33 AIRCAMPER EITHERBUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACING VERSIONS CAN GET110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOW TURNINGPROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THAT SOUND ISHARD TO FORGET !> EARL MYERS>RICHARD; READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUPFROMJOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD "A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OFSEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETS THAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD "A" FACTORY CAMS WERE NOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE ORTOLERANCE CAUSING A WIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENTME A LONGSTORY SOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TOKNOW WHAT HEIS TALKING ABOUT !!!!! ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN"A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BY THIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM,BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES, PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELLINSERTBEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARE LOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITHTHISSET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MY SCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A(FUTURE) '33AIRCAMPER EITHER BUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACINGVERSIONS CANGET 110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOWTURNING PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THATSOUNDIS HARD TO FORGET !EARL MYERS ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... __________
This reminds me of the story of the king that decided to have a foot racefor his whole kingdom. He laid out the course and the people gathered forthe race. Many made a quick start and finished long before others, but thelast one to complete the race finished long after all the others. This lastwas ushered before the king and asked why it took him so long to pass. Thetraveler told the king that he might have finished much sooner but he cameupon a large pile of debris in the middle of the road and stopped to clearthe path. Many passed by as he did this work. At the under it all was agreat sack of gold pieces. He had brought it along to give to the king thatit might be returned to the owner. At this the king said it belonged tohim. He had placed the obstacle, and the treasure, there. He who travelsthe journey best makes the path easier for those who follow.Thank you, Richard. May well all follow your example in all we do.Brent ReedKent, WaRichardp.s. if anyone is wondering why I am so obsessed with putting so muchinformation on my site, it's because when I started gatheringinformation for the Piet, I couldnt find SQUAT and nearly gave uplooking and quit the whole thing. I want to gather as much informationin one place as possible so that new builders and potential builderswon't get discouraged to find no help or information out there.Besides, I'm just a little obsessed with airplanes to begin with...---Earl Myers wrote:>> RICHARD;> READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUP FROM JOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD"A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OF SEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETSTHAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD " A" FACTORY CAMS WERENOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE OR TOLERANCE CAUSING AWIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENT ME A LONG STORYSOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TO KNOWWHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT !!!!!>> ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN "A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BYTHIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM, BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES,PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELL INSERT BEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARELOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITH THIS SET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MYSCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A (FUTURE) '33 AIRCAMPER EITHERBUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACING VERSIONS CAN GET110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOW TURNINGPROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THAT SOUND ISHARD TO FORGET !> EARL MYERS>RICHARD; READ WELL THE E-MAIL TO THE GROUPFROMJOHN MCNARY REF THE FORD "A" ENGINE. HE IS 100% CORRECT AS I KNOW OFSEVERAL STRONG FORD PIETS THAT PAID ATTENTION TO THE CAM ISSUE. FORD "A" FACTORY CAMS WERE NOTORIOUS FOR BEING PRODUCED IN A WIDE RANGE ORTOLERANCE CAUSING A WIDE RANGE OF PERFORMANCE..........JOHN HAD SENTME A LONGSTORY SOMETIME AGO ON ANOTHER ENGINE TYPE. THIS MAN REALLY SEEMS TOKNOW WHAT HEIS TALKING ABOUT !!!!! ONE OF MY NEXT PROJECTS IS TO HAVE AN"A" OR "B" DONE UP RIGHT. BY THIS I MEAN A HEALTY CAM,BIGGER CARB, PORTED HEAD, BIGGER VALVES, PRESSURE OIL SYSTEM, SHELLINSERTBEARINGS AND SO FORTH. YOU ARE LOOKING AT AROUND 70 RELIABLE HP WITHTHISSET-UP. THIS WILL GO IN MY SCOUT FIRST THEN WHEN TESTED OUT, INTO A(FUTURE) '33AIRCAMPER EITHER BUILT OR BOUGHT AND REBUILT.............THE RACINGVERSIONS CANGET 110-130HP BUT I DON'T WANT THAT MUCH HP OR RPM. A SLOWTURNING PROP ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILT UP ENGINE.............THATSOUNDIS HARD TO FORGET !EARL MYERS ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Original Posted By: Michael King
Hi all the advertisement that I posted yesterday is from a magazine calledHemmings Motor News, that I picked up from the local book store. it has alot of ads for model A parts and machine shops. and they have A web sitewww.hemmings.comcheck it out.________________________________________________________________________________
Hi all the advertisement that I posted yesterday is from a magazine calledHemmings Motor News, that I picked up from the local book store. it has alot of ads for model A parts and machine shops. and they have A web sitewww.hemmings.comcheck it out.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: FORD "A" ENGINES
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Hear, Hear! Thanks again Richard! It is a great insiration to look at allthe finished Piets and the photo's of the bits and pieces are worththousands of words.When you are looking at the engines take the time to remove the pan and headif possible. The areas to watch for are cracks inbetween the valve seats andcooling ports and cracks on the outside of the water jacket. I wouldn'tworry too much about the condition of the pistons or valves as you will bereplacing those. The rods should be free of file or chisel marks on theI -beam section. (Many mechanics seem to feel that they have to make greatbig ID marks.) These marks become stress risers, not a good thing! Reallyall you want is a crack free block a good crank and a set of reuseable rods.You should replace just about everything else. The beauty of the Ford engineis that they are still very popular in the antique car world and there aremany part suppliers. The hardest thing is to find someone that is capable ofdoing a first rate job of the babbit work. The antique car guys in your areawill probably know who.John Mc-----Original Message-----
Hear, Hear! Thanks again Richard! It is a great insiration to look at allthe finished Piets and the photo's of the bits and pieces are worththousands of words.When you are looking at the engines take the time to remove the pan and headif possible. The areas to watch for are cracks inbetween the valve seats andcooling ports and cracks on the outside of the water jacket. I wouldn'tworry too much about the condition of the pistons or valves as you will bereplacing those. The rods should be free of file or chisel marks on theI -beam section. (Many mechanics seem to feel that they have to make greatbig ID marks.) These marks become stress risers, not a good thing! Reallyall you want is a crack free block a good crank and a set of reuseable rods.You should replace just about everything else. The beauty of the Ford engineis that they are still very popular in the antique car world and there aremany part suppliers. The hardest thing is to find someone that is capable ofdoing a first rate job of the babbit work. The antique car guys in your areawill probably know who.John Mc-----Original Message-----