Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: An "A" engine>Bill,> You might find it interesting to check with these guys. They are>not cheap, but they make some of the prettiest brass radiators in the>world for the old car guys.> The Brassworks: handcrafted radiators> 289 Prado Road, San Luis Obispo, Ca. 1-800-342-6759>Warren>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: An "A" engine
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Rob Hart
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine>Hey, All!>Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)struts?>I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of>wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his>plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any>info.>Don Cooley>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine>Hey, All!>Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)struts?>I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of>wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his>plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any>info.>Don Cooley>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine>Hey, All!>Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)struts?>I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of>wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his>plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any>info.>Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine>Hey, All!>Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)struts?>I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of>wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his>plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any>info.>Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Bill, You might find it interesting to check with these guys. They arenot cheap, but they make some of the prettiest brass radiators in theworld for the old car guys. The Brassworks: handcrafted radiators 289 Prado Road, San Luis Obispo, Ca. 1-800-342-6759Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Bill, You might find it interesting to check with these guys. They arenot cheap, but they make some of the prettiest brass radiators in theworld for the old car guys. The Brassworks: handcrafted radiators 289 Prado Road, San Luis Obispo, Ca. 1-800-342-6759Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Sir; This is where I got my radiator done for my Piet Scout. The workmanship issecond to none! They do know what they are doing. The brass had NO heatwarpage or heat discoloration. My radiator was custom built with an internaloverflow tube, painted black on the (modern, effiecient) fins and is 11"wide, 5" thick. I had them supply the moto-meter, drain cock, etc., "readyto run" so to speak.....with shipping, it cost just under a (ouch)$1,000........ I did this because of all the brass on it. I wanted it to be "flawless"(wish my Scout was). This radiator will take your breath away as far asradiators go, so will the cost. I looked at several $250-500 typicalradiators............yuck on the final appearence (to me). There is a Pietbuilder locally that has an extra (new) inexpensive radiator. I can check tosee if he still has it. It is the fella with the Funk "B" engine and woodstruts.........-----Original Message-----
Sir; This is where I got my radiator done for my Piet Scout. The workmanship issecond to none! They do know what they are doing. The brass had NO heatwarpage or heat discoloration. My radiator was custom built with an internaloverflow tube, painted black on the (modern, effiecient) fins and is 11"wide, 5" thick. I had them supply the moto-meter, drain cock, etc., "readyto run" so to speak.....with shipping, it cost just under a (ouch)$1,000........ I did this because of all the brass on it. I wanted it to be "flawless"(wish my Scout was). This radiator will take your breath away as far asradiators go, so will the cost. I looked at several $250-500 typicalradiators............yuck on the final appearence (to me). There is a Pietbuilder locally that has an extra (new) inexpensive radiator. I can check tosee if he still has it. It is the fella with the Funk "B" engine and woodstruts.........-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Hey, All!Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?) struts?I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea ofwooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see hisplane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for anyinfo.Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Hey, All!Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?) struts?I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea ofwooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see hisplane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for anyinfo.Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By:> Warren Shoun
Earl, Flawless is the word for the work that I have seen from them. Went up totheir shop and everything that they put out is made to exacting standards byreal craftsmen. Thought their prices were painful too, but boy are these thingsbeautiful and they are made hell for stout and for real world use.Congratulations.WarrenEarl Myers wrote:> Sir;> This is where I got my radiator done for my Piet Scout. The workmanship is> second to none! They do know what they are doing. The brass had NO heat> warpage or heat discoloration. My radiator was custom built with an internal> overflow tube, painted black on the (modern, effiecient) fins and is 11"> wide, 5" thick. I had them supply the moto-meter, drain cock, etc., "ready> to run" so to speak.....with shipping, it cost just under a (ouch)> $1,000........> I did this because of all the brass on it. I wanted it to be "flawless"> (wish my Scout was). This radiator will take your breath away as far as> radiators go, so will the cost. I looked at several $250-500 typical> radiators............yuck on the final appearence (to me). There is a Piet> builder locally that has an extra (new) inexpensive radiator. I can check to> see if he still has it. It is the fella with the Funk "B" engine and wood> struts.........> -----Original Message-----
Earl, Flawless is the word for the work that I have seen from them. Went up totheir shop and everything that they put out is made to exacting standards byreal craftsmen. Thought their prices were painful too, but boy are these thingsbeautiful and they are made hell for stout and for real world use.Congratulations.WarrenEarl Myers wrote:> Sir;> This is where I got my radiator done for my Piet Scout. The workmanship is> second to none! They do know what they are doing. The brass had NO heat> warpage or heat discoloration. My radiator was custom built with an internal> overflow tube, painted black on the (modern, effiecient) fins and is 11"> wide, 5" thick. I had them supply the moto-meter, drain cock, etc., "ready> to run" so to speak.....with shipping, it cost just under a (ouch)> $1,000........> I did this because of all the brass on it. I wanted it to be "flawless"> (wish my Scout was). This radiator will take your breath away as far as> radiators go, so will the cost. I looked at several $250-500 typical> radiators............yuck on the final appearence (to me). There is a Piet> builder locally that has an extra (new) inexpensive radiator. I can check to> see if he still has it. It is the fella with the Funk "B" engine and wood> struts.........> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By:> ADonJr(at)aol.com
John Gary Price at Yesterdays Wings has used a wood encased square tube strut.Richard's webpage has some pictures of the finished plane, but not the detail.Looks pretty good, and sound too. Good to hear from someone who has opened up the "A" to see what is there.Thanks also for the info on the 8N as I have never taken the time to do a closecomparison.WarrenJohn McNarry wrote:> I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts ever> since. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steel> strap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strap> straight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tension> would be very strong.>> In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is much> lighter.> I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports could> be opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone is> interested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepower> provided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possible> only as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side you> can see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.>> John Mc> -----Original Message-----
John Gary Price at Yesterdays Wings has used a wood encased square tube strut.Richard's webpage has some pictures of the finished plane, but not the detail.Looks pretty good, and sound too. Good to hear from someone who has opened up the "A" to see what is there.Thanks also for the info on the 8N as I have never taken the time to do a closecomparison.WarrenJohn McNarry wrote:> I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts ever> since. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steel> strap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strap> straight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tension> would be very strong.>> In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is much> lighter.> I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports could> be opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone is> interested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepower> provided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possible> only as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side you> can see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.>> John Mc> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts eversince. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steelstrap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strapstraight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tensionwould be very strong.In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is muchlighter. I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports couldbe opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone isinterested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepowerprovided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possibleonly as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side youcan see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.John Mc-----Original Message-----
I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts eversince. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steelstrap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strapstraight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tensionwould be very strong.In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is muchlighter. I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports couldbe opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone isinterested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepowerprovided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possibleonly as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side youcan see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.John Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By:> > ADonJr(at)aol.com
Warren Is right Gary's wood coverd steel struts are strong and very goodlooking. I plan to go have another look at Gary's piet within a month orso, I will post a detail photo after that.John DupreyWarren Shoun wrote:> > John> Gary Price at Yesterdays Wings has used a wood encased square tube strut.> Richard's webpage has some pictures of the finished plane, but not the detail.> Looks pretty good, and sound too.> Good to hear from someone who has opened up the "A" to see what is there.> Thanks also for the info on the 8N as I have never taken the time to do a close> comparison.> Warren> > John McNarry wrote:> > > I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts ever> > since. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steel> > strap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strap> > straight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tension> > would be very strong.> >> > In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is much> > lighter.> > I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports could> > be opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone is> > interested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepower> > provided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possible> > only as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side you> > can see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.> >> > John Mc> > -----Original Message-----
Warren Is right Gary's wood coverd steel struts are strong and very goodlooking. I plan to go have another look at Gary's piet within a month orso, I will post a detail photo after that.John DupreyWarren Shoun wrote:> > John> Gary Price at Yesterdays Wings has used a wood encased square tube strut.> Richard's webpage has some pictures of the finished plane, but not the detail.> Looks pretty good, and sound too.> Good to hear from someone who has opened up the "A" to see what is there.> Thanks also for the info on the 8N as I have never taken the time to do a close> comparison.> Warren> > John McNarry wrote:> > > I have seen Wilburs aircraft and have thought about the wood struts ever> > since. Has anyone used wood pieces 1/2 airfoil shaped clamped to a steel> > strap running the length of the strut? The wood would hold the strap> > straight and carry the compressive loads and the steel strap in tension> > would be very strong.> >> > In regards to A's and 8Ns. The A has a larger displacement and is much> > lighter.> > I sawed a scrap A block through the ports to see how much the ports could> > be opened up. I will photo the parts and scan them in if anyone is> > interested. Breathing on an A is the most efficent way to more horsepower> > provided the engine is properly rebuilt. Sleeving an A block is possible> > only as a dry repair sleeve. If you look carefuly at the lefthand side you> > can see the cylinders below the water jacket. Wet sleeves are out.> >> > John Mc> > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Will Graff is the guy I was speaking about! He is supposed to be at B99. Ithink his struts are 4 pieces with a metal cable or something running downthe middle. His Piet a/c with the Funk B really scoots!Earl-----Original Message-----
Will Graff is the guy I was speaking about! He is supposed to be at B99. Ithink his struts are 4 pieces with a metal cable or something running downthe middle. His Piet a/c with the Funk B really scoots!Earl-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
Ian, Go to http://users.aol.com/BPANews/events.htmlwhich has his address and phone number, and hooks you up with Grant'spages of tons of fun and useful Piet "stuff".WarrenIan Holland wrote:> Does anyone know how to get a hold of Gary Price? I would sure like to> hear what he did with the square tubing etc.________________________________________________________________________________
Ian, Go to http://users.aol.com/BPANews/events.htmlwhich has his address and phone number, and hooks you up with Grant'spages of tons of fun and useful Piet "stuff".WarrenIan Holland wrote:> Does anyone know how to get a hold of Gary Price? I would sure like to> hear what he did with the square tubing etc.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Does anyone know how to get a hold of Gary Price? I would sure like tohear what he did with the square tubing etc.________________________________________________________________________________
Does anyone know how to get a hold of Gary Price? I would sure like tohear what he did with the square tubing etc.________________________________________________________________________________
> An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
> Subject: An "A" engine>> >Bill,> > You might find it interesting to check with these guys. They are> >not cheap, but they make some of the prettiest brass radiators in the> >world for the old car guys.> > The Brassworks: handcrafted radiators> > 289 Prado Road, San Luis Obispo, Ca. 1-800-342-6759> >Warren> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: An "A" engine>> >Bill,> > You might find it interesting to check with these guys. They are> >not cheap, but they make some of the prettiest brass radiators in the> >world for the old car guys.> > The Brassworks: handcrafted radiators> > 289 Prado Road, San Luis Obispo, Ca. 1-800-342-6759> >Warren> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: John Duprey
> Subject: Re: An "A" engine>> >Hey, All!> >Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)> struts?> >I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of> >wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his> >plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any> >info.> >Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: An "A" engine>> >Hey, All!> >Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)> struts?> >I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of> >wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his> >plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any> >info.> >Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
> > Re: An "A" engine
Original Posted By: Joe & Marian Beck
> > Subject: Re: An "A" engine> >> > >Hey, All!> > >Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)> > struts?> > >I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of> > >wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his> > >plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any> > >info.> > >Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: Re: An "A" engine> >> > >Hey, All!> > >Speaking of wood struts...does anyone know about Wilbur Graff's (sp?)> > struts?> > >I saw his plane at Brodhead in 1996, and was very taken with the idea of> > >wooden lift struts. Curious about weight and strength. I hope to see his> > >plane, and him, at B'head '99, but thought I'd ask, anyway. Thanx for any> > >info.> > >Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________