Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Folks,Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought I saw a message from someone interestedin buying a running "A" engine. Please be aware that something like this mayindeed be running, but you don't really know how good the engine is untilyou check it out with measuring tools. Even then you may not know, unlessyou are really engine-knowledgeable and plan to look at the overhaul partslist and machine-shop receipts that the seller SHOULD be able to supply youwith.Obviously, you can decide (or not) to trust that what the guy tells youabout it is true, but please be careful of buying a running "A" engine andjust bolting it to your Piet. Something this old has probably beenoverhauled many times, but how good was the last one? Remember that ourparents' generation were young and working in the factories when theseengines were originally made.Just my cautious two-cents worth. The "A" is a fine engine, but there's nosubstitute for close, knowledgeable scrutiny, when it comes to flyingairplanes or spending money!Mike________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: A word of caution about engines in general
Pietenpol-List: Re: A word of caution about engines in general
Original Posted By: Phil Peck
No doubt! I was the one looking at the running engine. I have nointention of just bolting it to my Piet.
Can't imagine! I am goingto totally rebuild ANY engine I get. I just figured one that isrunning is bound to be a better candidate for rebuld than one that isnot. I am going to pop the head off and take my measurements of theengine I buy, for sure.Thanks for the advice tho.RichardA very careful, bordering on paranoid, builder.---Michael Hinchman wrote:>> Folks,> > Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought I saw a message from someoneinterested> in buying a running "A" engine. Please be aware that something likethis may> indeed be running, but you don't really know how good the engine isuntil> you check it out with measuring tools. Even then you may not know,unless> you are really engine-knowledgeable and plan to look at the overhaulparts> list and machine-shop receipts that the seller SHOULD be able tosupply you> with.> > Obviously, you can decide (or not) to trust that what the guy tellsyou> about it is true, but please be careful of buying a running "A"engine and> just bolting it to your Piet. Something this old has probably been> overhauled many times, but how good was the last one? Remember thatour> parents' generation were young and working in the factories when these> engines were originally made.> > Just my cautious two-cents worth. The "A" is a fine engine, butthere's no> substitute for close, knowledgeable scrutiny, when it comes to flying> airplanes or spending money!> > Mike> > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________
No doubt! I was the one looking at the running engine. I have nointention of just bolting it to my Piet.
Can't imagine! I am goingto totally rebuild ANY engine I get. I just figured one that isrunning is bound to be a better candidate for rebuld than one that isnot. I am going to pop the head off and take my measurements of theengine I buy, for sure.Thanks for the advice tho.RichardA very careful, bordering on paranoid, builder.---Michael Hinchman wrote:>> Folks,> > Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought I saw a message from someoneinterested> in buying a running "A" engine. Please be aware that something likethis may> indeed be running, but you don't really know how good the engine isuntil> you check it out with measuring tools. Even then you may not know,unless> you are really engine-knowledgeable and plan to look at the overhaulparts> list and machine-shop receipts that the seller SHOULD be able tosupply you> with.> > Obviously, you can decide (or not) to trust that what the guy tellsyou> about it is true, but please be careful of buying a running "A"engine and> just bolting it to your Piet. Something this old has probably been> overhauled many times, but how good was the last one? Remember thatour> parents' generation were young and working in the factories when these> engines were originally made.> > Just my cautious two-cents worth. The "A" is a fine engine, butthere's no> substitute for close, knowledgeable scrutiny, when it comes to flying> airplanes or spending money!> > Mike> > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builderNow you can buy my CD at MP3.com:http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd ... Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: A word of caution about engines in general
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
I fully agree with Richard. I bought a "running" C-85-12F from a guy inFlorida. It had been living on the stern of an airboat and was indeedrunning. I figured that it was worth the $1000 USD he was asking for it.The engine arrived and I finally decided to tear it down. Boy, am I glad Idid. The crank had started out it's last life as a 0.020" under but wasnow 0.030"-0.035" under! The jugs were completely shot as were the mags.Sure, it was running, on 3 cylinders and one mag! It's now in the shopbeing rebuilt. Was it a good deal? Sure, I still ended up with enough goodparts to have it rebuilt for less than I could have purchased a usedengine for. KenOn Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Richard DeCosta wrote:> No doubt! I was the one looking at the running engine. I have no> intention of just bolting it to my Piet. Can't imagine! I am going> to totally rebuild ANY engine I get. I just figured one that is> running is bound to be a better candidate for rebuld than one that is> not. I am going to pop the head off and take my measurements of the> engine I buy, for sure.> > Thanks for the advice tho.> > Richard> A very careful, bordering on paranoid, builder.> > > ---Michael Hinchman wrote:> >> > Folks,> > > > Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought I saw a message from someone> interested> > in buying a running "A" engine. Please be aware that something like> this may> > indeed be running, but you don't really know how good the engine is> until> > you check it out with measuring tools. Even then you may not know,> unless> > you are really engine-knowledgeable and plan to look at the overhaul> parts> > list and machine-shop receipts that the seller SHOULD be able to> supply you> > with.> > > > Obviously, you can decide (or not) to trust that what the guy tells> you> > about it is true, but please be careful of buying a running "A"> engine and> > just bolting it to your Piet. Something this old has probably been> > overhauled many times, but how good was the last one? Remember that> our> > parents' generation were young and working in the factories when these> > engines were originally made.> > > > Just my cautious two-cents worth. The "A" is a fine engine, but> there's no> > substitute for close, knowledgeable scrutiny, when it comes to flying> > airplanes or spending money!> > > > Mike> > > > > > ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
I fully agree with Richard. I bought a "running" C-85-12F from a guy inFlorida. It had been living on the stern of an airboat and was indeedrunning. I figured that it was worth the $1000 USD he was asking for it.The engine arrived and I finally decided to tear it down. Boy, am I glad Idid. The crank had started out it's last life as a 0.020" under but wasnow 0.030"-0.035" under! The jugs were completely shot as were the mags.Sure, it was running, on 3 cylinders and one mag! It's now in the shopbeing rebuilt. Was it a good deal? Sure, I still ended up with enough goodparts to have it rebuilt for less than I could have purchased a usedengine for. KenOn Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Richard DeCosta wrote:> No doubt! I was the one looking at the running engine. I have no> intention of just bolting it to my Piet.
Can't imagine! I am going> to totally rebuild ANY engine I get. I just figured one that is> running is bound to be a better candidate for rebuld than one that is> not. I am going to pop the head off and take my measurements of the> engine I buy, for sure.> > Thanks for the advice tho.> > Richard> A very careful, bordering on paranoid, builder.> > > ---Michael Hinchman wrote:> >> > Folks,> > > > Maybe I read it wrong, but I thought I saw a message from someone> interested> > in buying a running "A" engine. Please be aware that something like> this may> > indeed be running, but you don't really know how good the engine is> until> > you check it out with measuring tools. Even then you may not know,> unless> > you are really engine-knowledgeable and plan to look at the overhaul> parts> > list and machine-shop receipts that the seller SHOULD be able to> supply you> > with.> > > > Obviously, you can decide (or not) to trust that what the guy tells> you> > about it is true, but please be careful of buying a running "A"> engine and> > just bolting it to your Piet. Something this old has probably been> > overhauled many times, but how good was the last one? Remember that> our> > parents' generation were young and working in the factories when these> > engines were originally made.> > > > Just my cautious two-cents worth. The "A" is a fine engine, but> there's no> > substitute for close, knowledgeable scrutiny, when it comes to flying> > airplanes or spending money!> > > > Mike> > > > > > ==> http://www.wrld.com/w3builder> Now you can buy my CD at MP3.com:> http://db.mp3.com/Visitor/order.php3?cd_id=968> > "Instrument flying is an unnatural act probably punishable by God." -Gordon Baxter> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________