Original Posted By: mbell1(at)columbiaenergygroup.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A">In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,>arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:>> catalogs and it looked to me like they had raised to price for the> GN-1 spruce kit from 823.00 to 1300.00 and maybe someone should edit> the catalog before sending the thing out. >>>>>VS.>>from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shippingincluded)>from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shipping>included) total 597.66>>Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to>start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found youguys.>Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tellme>why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?>>Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the AirCamper.>I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about>the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T",>now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same>numbers, any feedback guys?>>If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A">Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can>get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area?>>Thanks,>>Ross Gutmeier>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: walter evans
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A">In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,>arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:>> catalogs and it looked to me like they had raised to price for the> GN-1 spruce kit from 823.00 to 1300.00 and maybe someone should edit> the catalog before sending the thing out. >>>>>VS.>>from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shippingincluded)>from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shipping>included) total 597.66>>Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to>start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found youguys.>Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tellme>why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?>>Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the AirCamper.>I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about>the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T",>now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same>numbers, any feedback guys?>>If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A">Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can>get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area?>>Thanks,>>Ross Gutmeier>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A">In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,>arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:>> catalogs and it looked to me like they had raised to price for the> GN-1 spruce kit from 823.00 to 1300.00 and maybe someone should edit> the catalog before sending the thing out. >>>>>VS.>>from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shippingincluded)>from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shipping>included) total 597.66>>Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to>start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found youguys.>Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tellme>why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?>>Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the AirCamper.>I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about>the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T",>now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same>numbers, any feedback guys?>>If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A">Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can>get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area?>>Thanks,>>Ross Gutmeier>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: walter evans
In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:>VS.from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shipping included)from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shippingincluded) total 597.66Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found you guys. Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tell me why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the Air Camper. I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T", now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same numbers, any feedback guys?If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A" Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area? Thanks,Ross Gutmeier ________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:>VS.from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shipping included)from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shippingincluded) total 597.66Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found you guys. Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tell me why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the Air Camper. I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T", now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same numbers, any feedback guys?If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A" Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area? Thanks,Ross Gutmeier ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Gutmeier(at)aol.com
Ross,I flew a 1/2 VW on an ultralight. ran good,Then built a FFP404 and wanted one on that, Just not strong enough. Got mearound the pattern,thats about all. then put on Rotax 447, like day andnight. Rotax is rated at 41hp. They talk of the 1/2 VW as 35 hp but I dontthink so. The 1/2 VW will fly alot of planes , but not a Piet. I sold myVW to a guy in NY ( I can send you a pic of it on his plane directly ifyou'd like)What I've heard is that even a 4 cyl. VW won't fly a Piet.walt-----Original Message-----
Ross,I flew a 1/2 VW on an ultralight. ran good,Then built a FFP404 and wanted one on that, Just not strong enough. Got mearound the pattern,thats about all. then put on Rotax 447, like day andnight. Rotax is rated at 41hp. They talk of the 1/2 VW as 35 hp but I dontthink so. The 1/2 VW will fly alot of planes , but not a Piet. I sold myVW to a guy in NY ( I can send you a pic of it on his plane directly ifyou'd like)What I've heard is that even a 4 cyl. VW won't fly a Piet.walt-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Joe Krzes
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"Ross,The Model A has 200 cubic inches of displacement. A VW (4 cylinder) isabout half of that and a Half VW would be about 1/4 the displacement ofthe Model A. 1/4 the displacement means 1/4 the power at a given RPMand with the tiny prop even less than 1/4 the thrust. Of course youwould turn the little engine faster, but you wouldn't come any whereclose to being able to pull this draggy aircraft into the air. I don'tthink that anyone has successfully used a 4 cyl VW on a Peitenpol, muchless, half of one.Lauren________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"Ross,The Model A has 200 cubic inches of displacement. A VW (4 cylinder) isabout half of that and a Half VW would be about 1/4 the displacement ofthe Model A. 1/4 the displacement means 1/4 the power at a given RPMand with the tiny prop even less than 1/4 the thrust. Of course youwould turn the little engine faster, but you wouldn't come any whereclose to being able to pull this draggy aircraft into the air. I don'tthink that anyone has successfully used a 4 cyl VW on a Peitenpol, muchless, half of one.Lauren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
Ross,The Model A has 200 cubic inches of displacement. A VW (4 cylinder) isabout half of that and a Half VW would be about 1/4 the displacement ofthe Model A. 1/4 the displacement means 1/4 the power at a given RPMand with the tiny prop even less than 1/4 the thrust. Of course youwould turn the little engine faster, but you wouldn't come any whereclose to being able to pull this draggy aircraft into the air. I don'tthink that anyone has successfully used a 4 cyl VW on a Peitenpol, muchless, half of one.Lauren________________________________________________________________________________
Ross,The Model A has 200 cubic inches of displacement. A VW (4 cylinder) isabout half of that and a Half VW would be about 1/4 the displacement ofthe Model A. 1/4 the displacement means 1/4 the power at a given RPMand with the tiny prop even less than 1/4 the thrust. Of course youwould turn the little engine faster, but you wouldn't come any whereclose to being able to pull this draggy aircraft into the air. I don'tthink that anyone has successfully used a 4 cyl VW on a Peitenpol, muchless, half of one.Lauren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Gutmeier(at)aol.com
I took it you meant to use the VW on the Scout? If so, I haven't heard ofanyone doing that.I have a 1500cc VW on a VP-1 and it does ok. After looking at the Scoutplans last night Iwould say you would be happer with the 1800-2100cc VWs on that plane. Andthen it wouldn't performas good as the torquey 'T'. If your talking about the Aircamper then Iwould stick with the 'A' oran aircraft engine(C65).Just my two cents worth.(At todays prices, really only .875689 cents.....)Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
I took it you meant to use the VW on the Scout? If so, I haven't heard ofanyone doing that.I have a 1500cc VW on a VP-1 and it does ok. After looking at the Scoutplans last night Iwould say you would be happer with the 1800-2100cc VWs on that plane. Andthen it wouldn't performas good as the torquey 'T'. If your talking about the Aircamper then Iwould stick with the 'A' oran aircraft engine(C65).Just my two cents worth.(At todays prices, really only .875689 cents.....)Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Lauren, Mike, Greg, Walt,Thanks for all of your feedback. Looks like I'll be going for the Model "A" AIrcamper.Ross________________________________________________________________________________
Lauren, Mike, Greg, Walt,Thanks for all of your feedback. Looks like I'll be going for the Model "A" AIrcamper.Ross________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Lauren Williams
STICK WITH THE MODEL "A".....-----Original Message-----
STICK WITH THE MODEL "A".....-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Thats the way I see it too. If your going to build a Legend, why not built itthe way it was designed and have a new antique to fly, that is what I will dowhen I start building, just have too many projects right now.GordonRW1 UL PietMohawk MK IVGutmeier(at)aol.com wrote:> Lauren, Mike, Greg, Walt,>> Thanks for all of your feedback. Looks like I'll be going for the Model "A"> AIrcamper.>> Ross________________________________________________________________________________
Thats the way I see it too. If your going to build a Legend, why not built itthe way it was designed and have a new antique to fly, that is what I will dowhen I start building, just have too many projects right now.GordonRW1 UL PietMohawk MK IVGutmeier(at)aol.com wrote:> Lauren, Mike, Greg, Walt,>> Thanks for all of your feedback. Looks like I'll be going for the Model "A"> AIrcamper.>> Ross________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By:> Gutmeier(at)aol.com
You would probably be OK with Great Plains' new reduction unit for the VW.This should slow the prop down enough to be effective on the Piet. Checkout for more info.KenOn Wed, 25 Aug 1999, walter evans wrote:> Ross,> I flew a 1/2 VW on an ultralight. ran good,> Then built a FFP404 and wanted one on that, Just not strong enough. Got me> around the pattern,thats about all. then put on Rotax 447, like day and> night. Rotax is rated at 41hp. They talk of the 1/2 VW as 35 hp but I dont> think so. The 1/2 VW will fly alot of planes , but not a Piet. I sold my> VW to a guy in NY ( I can send you a pic of it on his plane directly if> you'd like)> What I've heard is that even a 4 cyl. VW won't fly a Piet.> walt> -----Original Message-----
You would probably be OK with Great Plains' new reduction unit for the VW.This should slow the prop down enough to be effective on the Piet. Checkout for more info.KenOn Wed, 25 Aug 1999, walter evans wrote:> Ross,> I flew a 1/2 VW on an ultralight. ran good,> Then built a FFP404 and wanted one on that, Just not strong enough. Got me> around the pattern,thats about all. then put on Rotax 447, like day and> night. Rotax is rated at 41hp. They talk of the 1/2 VW as 35 hp but I dont> think so. The 1/2 VW will fly alot of planes , but not a Piet. I sold my> VW to a guy in NY ( I can send you a pic of it on his plane directly if> you'd like)> What I've heard is that even a 4 cyl. VW won't fly a Piet.> walt> -----Original Message-----
> Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
> Subject: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"> > > >In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,> >arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:> >> > > catalogs and it looked to me like they had raised to price for the> > GN-1 spruce kit from 823.00 to 1300.00 and maybe someone should edit> > the catalog before sending the thing out. >>> >> >> >VS.> >> >from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shipping> included)> >from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shipping> >included) total 597.66> >> >Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to> >start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found you> guys.> >Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tell> me> >why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?> >> >Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the Air> Camper.> >I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about> >the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T",> >now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same> >numbers, any feedback guys?> >> >If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A"> >Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can> >get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area?> >> >Thanks,> >> >Ross Gutmeier> >> >> >> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Wicks vs. AS&S, half VW, model "A"> > > >In a message dated 8/25/99 7:22:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,> >arkiesair(at)surfree.com writes:> >> > > catalogs and it looked to me like they had raised to price for the> > GN-1 spruce kit from 823.00 to 1300.00 and maybe someone should edit> > the catalog before sending the thing out. >>> >> >> >VS.> >> >from wicks--all the spruce and 1/8 mahogany ply===423.65 (shipping> included)> >from Riteco --Australian hoop pine 1/4" , 1/8" & 1/16"==174.01(shipping> >included) total 597.66> >> >Hi gang, been a Pietenpol fan for about ten years now and I'm planning to> >start construction on one in soon so I'm really happy to have found you> guys.> >Right now I'm just looking around at prices and suppliers. Can anyone tell> me> >why there is a $332.33 price difference between Wicks and AS&S?> >> >Also I'm still going back and forth between the Sky Scout and the Air> Camper.> >I have the 32 and 33 Flying and Glider manuals. At the end of article about> >the Sky Scout the PacMag engine is suggested as an alternative to the "T",> >now I know I can't get this motor but a half VW seems to have the same> >numbers, any feedback guys?> >> >If all of you think this is a bad idea then I'll go with the Model "A"> >Aircamper. Which brings me to my second question, anybody know where I can> >get a model "A" motor suitable for rebuild in the Maryland/Pa. area?> >> >Thanks,> >> >Ross Gutmeier> >> >> >> Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________